aristocrat Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 bring back orton! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Someone should ask him if we even have a "Dellavadova" at QB... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted June 11, 2015 Author Share Posted June 11, 2015 Maybe you should visit the OTA threads where this has been beaten to death over the last three weeks? The linked articles which form the foundation of this thread were created within the last 24 hours and were seemingly not being discussed elsewhere on this forum. This discussion is also much more specific than a general OTA thread. Have a nice day, GG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Let's look at that. Assuming there is a QB who was good in the other 5 practices and assuming it was the same QB. That means for every 8 games the QB will screw the pooch on 3 of them. That means during the season our Qb will be bad for 6 out of 16 games with those stats. We are not making the playoffs if our QB is bad 6 out of 16 games. Again, that's assuming we did in fact have someone step up and do well in those other practices and that it was the same someone. Not making the playoffs at 10-6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted June 11, 2015 Author Share Posted June 11, 2015 Someone should ask him if we even have a "Dellavadova" at QB... Had to google that. I just want Orton plus 15%. So when Rex tells me they all look like crap, I get concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Are there genuine collegiate QB talents that can be had in the next draft if we did take that top 10 shot? Or are we just speaking philosophically here? IMO, yes. We hear every year that "next year will be great!" I've never been like that, but I actually believe it this year. In Cook, Hackenburg, Kiel and Goff, I see real potential. Of course, we still have to see how they develop this year, but if we were drafting right now: Cook and Hackenburg in top 10. Kiel or Goff at the end of round 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted June 11, 2015 Author Share Posted June 11, 2015 Not making the playoffs at 10-6? Probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Not making the playoffs at 10-6? That is only if they win the games the QB plays well. What if the D chokes that day, or RB is bad. We can lose for more than a QB having a bad day. If we on;y get 10 good or average games, we'll be 8-8 at best. On top of that the AFC is better than NFC so 10-6 probably won't make playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted June 11, 2015 Author Share Posted June 11, 2015 IMO, yes. We hear every year that "next year will be great!" I've never been like that, but I actually believe it this year. In Cook, Hackenburg, Kiel and Goff, I see real potential. Of course, we still have to see how they develop this year, but if we were drafting right now: Cook and Hackenburg in top 10. Kiel or Goff at the end of round 1. Well this is cause for optimism. We are always going to have problems until we can find a good to very good to great QB. I'd say what Kyle "let me turtle shell to save my body for retirement" Orton gave us last year was below average. That isn't enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Anyone know how Alex Smith did in his first OTAs under Roman? Seriously, who cares? This constant media coverage is tiresome. We went 9-7 with EJ and Orton last year. I feel we have better coaches and a better team. Folks need to find other hobbies besides OTA scouting reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Probably not. What? There was one team in the league last year that didn't make the playoffs at 10-6, and that was NFC. People are so negative sometimes. At 10-6 we likely would have made it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Had to google that. I just want Orton plus 15%. So when Rex tells me they all look like crap, I get concerned. Well given how Rex has judged QBs in the past, maybe it is a good thing. Rex could just be the worst evaluator of QBs in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted June 11, 2015 Author Share Posted June 11, 2015 What? There was one team in the league last year that didn't make the playoffs at 10-6, and that was NFC. People are so negative sometimes. At 10-6 we likely would have made it. It's not about being negative; it's about being realistic and wanting to GUARANTEE that we make the playoffs. I wouldn't wish for a 10-6 record this year. 11-5 (or better obviously) would make me happy. Well given how Rex has judged QBs in the past, maybe it is a good thing. Rex could just be the worst evaluator of QBs in the NFL. Are you suggesting Rex's bubble of popularity in WNY is starting to pop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 That is only if they win the games the QB plays well. What if the D chokes that day, or RB is bad. We can lose for more than a QB having a bad day. If we on;y get 10 good or average games, we'll be 8-8 at best. On top of that the AFC is better than NFC so 10-6 probably won't make playoffs. So we can only win games if the QB plays well. We have never won games when Orton sucked last year? Sure there will be games that are given away (KC), but it balances out by our defense winning games (GB) under poor QB play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Well given how Rex has judged QBs in the past, maybe it is a good thing. Rex could just be the worst evaluator of QBs in the NFL. Or maybe David Lee... I bet Rex just evaluates their moxy and listens to someone else for all of the technical stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Or maybe David Lee... I bet Rex just evaluates their moxy and listens to someone else for all of the technical stuff. I mean Rex loved Sanchez and he was much worse than either Cassel or Manuel his first couple years. I think the LeBron comment was dumb and served no point. Hopefully, it was just a motivation tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 So we can only win games if the QB plays well. We have never won games when Orton sucked last year? Sure there will be games that are given away (KC), but it balances out by our defense winning games (GB) under poor QB play. So we should bring Orton back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted June 11, 2015 Author Share Posted June 11, 2015 I mean Rex loved Sanchez and he was much worse than either Cassel or Manuel his first couple years. I think the LeBron comment was dumb and served no point. Hopefully, it was just a motivation tool. Don't disagree and knowing Rex insofar as I have gotten to know him thus far, I think this is highly likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I mean Rex loved Sanchez and he was much worse than either Cassel or Manuel his first couple years. I think the LeBron comment was dumb and served no point. Hopefully, it was just a motivation tool. Sanchez was never as bad as EJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 This isn't a surprise or worth getting too worked up over. Honestly, this is what we should be expecting to hear. Anything else would be lagniappe (it's a New Orleans word that means a little something extra). The QB play isn't going to great and we shouldn't be expecting it to be. This team is loaded though and pretty good QB play will translate to lots of wins. Hopefully we can get competent play this year, make the playoffs, upgrade next year and compete for a title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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