Nanker Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) This response is ONLY about the above bolded sentence. Last seasons OL was pretty bad, but not even close to being the worst in 30 years. Remember Greg Jerman (THE worst OT I ever saw)? Joe Panos (who could barely stand up)? Jerry Ostroski sucked but even he wasn't the worst. I wish I had time to post the names of the rest of these disasters. Remember the free agent guard we signed from Carolina? Who was the 6th round pick from Houston? Players would hit out qbs late sometimes drawing blood, and this horror show wouldn't even help the qb up. Someone please help me here with some more names. Compared to what we have seen since the mid nineties, this OL was better than average. Sad but true. Marcus Spriggs, Jamie Nails, Robert Hicks, Victor Allotey, Tom Nutten, Mike Rockwood, Mike Pucillo... but hey, who's keeping track? Edited June 3, 2015 by Nanker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) Jon Carmen Dylan McFarland Terrence Pennington Mike Gandy Lawrence Smith Mike Pucillo Just off the top of my head Nice work!!! Marcus Spriggs, Jamie Nails Robert Hicks, Victor Allotey, Tom Nutten, Mike Rockwood, Mike Pucillo... but hey, who's keeping track? Yep. Allow me to toss in Coery Louchiey, Bill Conaty and Corbin Lacina for good measure. Remember the OC Fowler? He would get shoved to the ground by small linebackers. Looks like we made our cases, no? Edited June 3, 2015 by Bill from NYC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizell Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) EJ still looks like he tries to 'aim' passes rather than throwing passes sometimes. He did this at FSU also. side note: Corbin Lacina wasn't a terrible player Edited June 3, 2015 by bizell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 You coming across as troll but Joe Flacco and EJ Manuel had very similar rookie year. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FlacJo00.htm http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/ManuEJ00.htm Does it mean Manuel will be good as Flacco? Of course not. but it shows QBs need time to develop. There were plenty of people questioning Flacco before he won a SB. coming across as troll? It appears obvious to me Imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Jon Carmen Dylan McFarland Terrence Pennington Mike Gandy Lawrence Smith Mike Pucillo Just off the top of my head A veritable "QB Murderer's Row"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) One game out of the many good qbs they faced. Ej manuel is no joe flacco rest assured. Do you know what the word substance and relevance mean? If you do, do you ever post anything related to those two words? If not, try to i promise it wont hurt. Also ej manuel is ranked 49/50 qbs only qb he beat out is weeden.m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2330912-br-nfl-1000-ranking-the-top-50-quarterbacks-from-2014 huh what? sorry I don't deal well with trolls the problem is -Trolls don't talk with substance and relevance they often dodge the main point and twist the subject Here is something of substance and relevance STATS LIE, and sometimes so does the Eye Test Edited June 3, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 huh what? sorry I don't deal well with trolls the problem is -Trolls don't talk with substance and relevance they often dodge the main point and twist the subject Here is something of substance and relevance STATS LIE, and sometimes so does the Eye Test Not to defend anyone, however not ALL stats lie and I would like anyone to point out what EJ does well, and what he has improved upon. I've looked at all kind if stats for EJ and none paint a veryb good picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Not to defend anyone, however not ALL stats lie and I would like anyone to point out what EJ does well, and what he has improved upon. I've looked at all kind if stats for EJ and none paint a veryb good picture. There are two things that I don't think anyone can deny that he does well: he extends plays with his legs, and he does a very good job of working the deep seam. By contrast, there are two things that I think he does poorly: doesn't trust what he sees, and his lower-body mechanics are shoddy. Everything else falls somewhere in between. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 EJ still looks like he tries to 'aim' passes rather than throwing passes sometimes. He did this at FSU also. side note: Corbin Lacina wasn't a terrible player Lacina is probably a very good human being. But, as I recall, the guy had no agility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 There are two things that I don't think anyone can deny that he does well: he extends plays with his legs, and he does a very good job of working the deep seam. By contrast, there are two things that I think he does poorly: doesn't trust what he sees, and his lower-body mechanics are shoddy. Everything else falls somewhere in between. Nutshell. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Nutshell. GO BILLS!!! I've been called worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) Not to defend anyone, however not ALL stats lie and I would like anyone to point out what EJ does well, and what he has improved upon. I've looked at all kind if stats for EJ and none paint a veryb good picture. correct used correctly stats are very valuable. however implementing stats in a correct manner is not a simple as posting yardage gained 2 deep passes or 2 long runs of 20 - 30 yds or more can really make your stats phenomenal and hide the otherwise 2 to 3 ypc average for that game or season honestly 6 - 8 career WL isn't too bad for a rookie to start out with when he has a HC with his head up his arse. Stats good sir can't factor in idiot HC's crappy game plans, or continuously playing against the best defenses in the league while your peers play poorer defenses. By contrast, there are two things that I think he does poorly: doesn't trust what he sees, and his lower-body mechanics are shoddy. this is something only playing time can fix. If not then we can move on with the next best guess @ QB. Edited June 3, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 this is something only playing time can fix. If not then we can move on with the next best guess @ QB. I think that's partially true with regard to trusting what he sees, although I'm hoping the practice habits and communication with the coaching staff that he saw from Orton taught him a thing or two about preparing. You can think you're doing everything you need to be doing, while not actually be doing everything. As to the lower-body mechanics, that, IMO, has little to do with playing time. He needs to work on that day and night until it's consistent, or his accuracy will continue to suffer. Yes, it can be fixed; no, it won't be easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) ....I would like anyone to point out what EJ....has improved upon. I've looked at all kind if stats for EJ and none paint a veryb good picture. In his 4 games last year, EJ showed large improvement when he was flushed from the pocket. In 2013, when this occurred he rarely(never?) looked up field for a receiving target. He apparently worked on this in that offseason and in 2014 this was corrected and he was much improved in that situation. I am far removed from having talent evaluating skills and even I noticed this in his games last year. Edited June 3, 2015 by Dibs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 There are two things that I don't think anyone can deny that he does well: he extends plays with his legs, and he does a very good job of working the deep seam. By contrast, there are two things that I think he does everything poorly: doesn't trust what he sees, and his lower-body mechanics are shoddy. Plays like a janitor and we would be better of with Dan McGwire, at age 48. I've fixed this up to reflect the way that select posters who have agendas seem to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I've been called worse Wouldn't a nutshell be a scrotum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 There are two things that I don't think anyone can deny that he does well: he extends plays with his legs, and he does a very good job of working the deep seam. By contrast, there are two things that I think he does poorly: doesn't trust what he sees, and his lower-body mechanics are shoddy. Everything else falls somewhere in between. He does extend plays with his legs, and has learned to not take as many hits. Has he improved in the aspects that make a better QB? Reads, decision making, accuracy, progressions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 He does extend plays with his legs, and has learned to not take as many hits. Has he improved in the aspects that make a better QB? Reads, decision making, accuracy, progressions? Reads, decision-making, and progressions are pretty much all ways of saying the same thing; as I said, one of his faults is not trusting what he sees. His accuracy issues stem almost 100% from the flaws in his lower-body mechanics. We shall see if he's improved in either of those areas. His deep throws certainly have gotten better from where he started early on in his rookie season, and I thought he did a better job at putting the ball up in space for his receivers to make a play last year as well. Now, that's not enough, but I think everyone pretty much acknowledges that at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 He does extend plays with his legs, and has learned to not take as many hits. Has he improved in the aspects that make a better QB? Reads, decision making, accuracy, progressions? well thanks to Doug Marrone we don't know we should know and now all we have is speculation an to wait for live action play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 well thanks to Doug Marrone we don't know we should know and now all we have is speculation an to wait for live action play good thing the Coaches have something tangible to chew upon, in regard to EJ this year coming! This is a trust in the Coaches situation. Because we really dont know and its not just EJ its Tyrod too. We have only to guess What Ryan and Roman are thinking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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