Tiberius Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 On 10/6/2016 at 1:38 PM, Magox said: Yup! On 3/15/2015 at 4:06 PM, Deranged Rhino said: Since you don't understand the scope of the security apparatus that's currently operating, I'm not sure this will help but I'll try. Answer me this without getting into personal specifics: where is the bulk of your money right now? Your liquid cash? In a bank, I'd presume? Is your paycheck automatically deposited into your bank account or are you given an actual check by your employer? What do you do with that check when you get it? Do you pay for most of your purchases with cash or some form of debit/credit card? How many pieces of technology are in the room you're sitting in right now with microphones, GPS devices, and internet connections? Three or more? How many of those devices do you carry on your person during your typical day? This is absolute and complete bull ****. Neither side wants to fix this because neither side (other than Paul) is even willing to discuss this topic in a legitimate political setting. Politicians don't like to talk about the ways they're !@#$ing over their constituents. And there is ZERO shot Bush (Jeb or otherwise) or any GOP current front runner will do anything but strengthen the NSA and security apparatus of the state. Paul might try, but he won't get the support unless there is a national debate on the issue. (Edit: Just to avoid your emoticon rage... : Hilary will have as much interest as Jeb when it comes to this issue, which is zero. So don't take this as just piling on to one side of the aisle) Colored bubbles. Exactly. I understand it's a complex issue, there are certain security and intelligence gathering applications that must be done to keep our nation safe. I understand the role these technologies and collection methods can play in thwarting violence -- but at what cost? Is it worth giving the state unfettered access to every piece of digital information about us as individuals in order to protect us against a handful of nutters? Right now the only thing keeping the United States government from operating like the Gestapo or KGB of the 60's-70s, are the policies in place by the current elected representatives. Those policies which determine how they can collect information and how they can use it, are not known to the public. They're classified and handled in the secret court system set up by 43 and strengthened by 44. There is no mechanism in place that forces the elected representatives to inform us of any changes they make to those oversights, so there's no way to know how or why they're using these tools. And if you bring up this point you're painted as either a conspiracy nut (which is odd because it's become such common knowledge we make jokes about ending up on watch lists in texts and emails) or dismissed because the subject is too uncomfortable to talk about. If the wrong person or persons come to power in this country, we could lose our entire democracy and not even realize it until it's too late. But you're right, Gator (not you Azalin), it's no big deal... Yet you support Kavenaugh? But but but, the wrong person could come to power! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 On 3/14/2015 at 7:12 PM, Deranged Rhino said: It's amazing to me how political the subject of whether or not we wish to live in a surveillance state has become over the past 8 years. Used to be folks on the left were (rightly) up in arms about the Patriot Act and the ills that have come our way because of that. Now that Obama doubled down on it, it's no big deal. Gees, change a few names here, Trump for Obama, and DR is simply describing himself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tiberius Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Used to be folks on the right were (rightly) up in arms about the Patriot Act and the ills that have come our way because of that. Now that Trump doubled down on it, it's no big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 5, 2018 Author Share Posted September 5, 2018 How has Trump doubled down on the Patriot Act and its issues? Please explain in detail. I'll wait... (If your answer doesn't include an explanation of why this was declassified and released, and what its contents say, then you haven't dug deep enough) https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/icotr/51117/2016_Cert_FISC_Memo_Opin_Order_Apr_2017.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 This President is fighting an internal war with bad actors within our intelligence services and prior administrations (note: plural) over gross violations of the rights of American citizens they conducted under cover of the PATRIOT Act. He hasn't doubled down, he's trying to undo it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 38 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: How has Trump doubled down on the Patriot Act and its issues? Please explain in detail. I'll wait... (If your answer doesn't include an explanation of why this was declassified and released, and what its contents say, then you haven't dug deep enough) https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/icotr/51117/2016_Cert_FISC_Memo_Opin_Order_Apr_2017.pdf Nominating Brett Kananaugh, duh! You suck at this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 5, 2018 Author Share Posted September 5, 2018 55 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Nominating Brett Kananaugh, duh! You suck at this That's not in detail. That's empty words from an empty head. You made the claim, back it up. How does Kavanaugh's appointment represent Trump doubling down on the Patriot Act? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 3 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: That's not in detail. That's empty words from an empty head. You made the claim, back it up. How does Kavanaugh's appointment represent Trump doubling down on the Patriot Act? I see a "double dumbass pork chop" in your future... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 On 3/14/2015 at 5:55 PM, Deranged Rhino said: http://factor-tech.com/connected-world/16998-edward-snowden-without-change-future-surveillance-will-be-in-the-hands-of-countries-companies-and-criminals/ The Trump administration has signaled in recent weeks that it may seek the permanent renewal of a surveillance law that has, among other things, enabled the National Security Agency to gather and analyze Americans’ phone records as part of terrorism investigations, according to five U.S. officials familiar with the matter. The White House, these officials said, was prepared to issue a public statement calling on Congress to reauthorize in full Section 215 of the Patriot Act, which in the past has been the focus of heated debate over the acceptable bounds of government surveillance. The plan to issue a statement was put on hold, officials said, but it illustrates nonetheless where the administration stands on the contested issue of national security authority. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/white-house-has-signaled-it-may-seek-permanent-renewal-of-controversial-surveillance-power/2019/04/30/b4407af2-67a5-11e9-8985-4cf30147bdca_story.html?utm_term=.d78b3e7405c0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 No comment here? But I thought this was THE major threat civilization faced? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Tiberius said: The Trump administration has signaled in recent weeks that it may seek the permanent renewal of a surveillance law that has, among other things, enabled the National Security Agency to gather and analyze Americans’ phone records as part of terrorism investigations, according to five U.S. officials familiar with the matter. The White House, these officials said, was prepared to issue a public statement calling on Congress to reauthorize in full Section 215 of the Patriot Act, which in the past has been the focus of heated debate over the acceptable bounds of government surveillance. The plan to issue a statement was put on hold, officials said, but it illustrates nonetheless where the administration stands on the contested issue of national security authority. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/white-house-has-signaled-it-may-seek-permanent-renewal-of-controversial-surveillance-power/2019/04/30/b4407af2-67a5-11e9-8985-4cf30147bdca_story.html?utm_term=.d78b3e7405c0 sure, your posting it is a bad idea because... #orangemanbad. when it is the Dems that want it, it will be a good thing because we need it to be safe from all the ... #orangemanbad. regardless of the stupid partisan horseshit, it is a bad idea. Edited May 1, 2019 by Foxx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 18 minutes ago, Foxx said: sure, your posting it is a bad idea because... #orangemanbad. when it is the Dems that want it, it will be a good thing because we need it to be safe from all the ... #orangemanbad. regardless of the stupid partisan horseshit, it is a bad idea. Trump wants it. I report, YOU decide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 On 4/12/2015 at 1:19 PM, Deranged Rhino said: Again, I explained and answered that question in post 35. "The only thing that has prevented it from happening are the people currently in power. How much faith in those elected representatives keeping to the straight and narrow without abusing what essentially is unlimited power over the individual do you actually have? Hasn't there been enough political malfeasance over your lifetime to make you at least a little suspicious or hesitant to willingly surrender your individual right to privacy and due process to a faceless, nameless government entity with zero oversight?" Unlimited power! You are now ok with this??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Tiberius said: Unlimited power! You are now ok with this??? No. Why are you having an issue with it now but 2008-2016 you likely said nothing. ***** tool. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 13 hours ago, Chef Jim said: Unlimited power! You are now ok with this??? 13 hours ago, Chef Jim said: No. Why are you having an issue with it now but 2008-2016 you likely said nothing. ***** tool. That was different because when the Democrats have unlimited power something something something shut up something something you're racist something something something go sit in the back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 18 hours ago, Foxx said: sure, your posting it is a bad idea because... #orangemanbad. when it is the Dems that want it, it will be a good thing because we need it to be safe from all the ... #orangemanbad. regardless of the stupid partisan horseshit, it is a bad idea. And you will have to give up your guns. Now does it matter? 14 hours ago, Chef Jim said: No. Why are you having an issue with it now but 2008-2016 you likely said nothing. ***** tool. You should change your name to angry chef! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 5 hours ago, BigMcD said: You should change your name to angry chef! His lack of intelligence frustrates him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 4 hours ago, Tiberius said: His lack of intelligence frustrates him He has gone off the deep end! Or in his case, the deep fry end! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 4 hours ago, Tiberius said: His lack of intelligence frustrates him 19 minutes ago, BigMcD said: He has gone off the deep end! Or in his case, the deep fry end! Did someone hear violin music?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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