FireChan Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 No. That money will go straight to the corrupt governments bank accounts. So leave your corrupt government be? Leave Hamas to their own devices? That will bring peace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 I mean exactly what I said. The West Bank and Gaza make up 22% of Israel. Go live on the other 78%. Dismantle your settlements and army bases and leave us be. Allow us to repair our roads. Allow us to import and export goods. Allow our children the right to grow up without looking at AK-47s and Tanks and allow them to live without hateful and racist remarks. I've been there. I've seen it and heard it all. It's a horrible occupation. Yeah. They left Gaza all right. They just go back every few years and destroy the infrastructure. How was Israel rewarded, when under Sharron, they forced the dismantling of all settlments in Gaza and the northern West Bank, and forcibly removed all settlers? Why in the world would they do this again? As to destorying the infrastructure? When Israel vacated Gaza they left the agricultural infrastructure intact. The Palestinians then destroyed it, and proceeded to conduct themselves in a manor which made Sharron look foolish for having proceeded as he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 So leave your corrupt government be? Leave Hamas to their own devices? That will bring peace? Governments come and go. There will be other elections. Hamas only exists because of the current situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 I mean exactly what I said. The West Bank and Gaza make up 22% of Israel. Go live on the other 78%. Dismantle your settlements and army bases and leave us be. Allow us to repair our roads. Allow us to import and export goods. Allow our children the right to grow up without looking at AK-47s and Tanks and allow them to live without hateful and racist remarks. I've been there. I've seen it and heard it all. It's a horrible occupation. Yeah. They left Gaza all right. They just go back every few years and destroy the infrastructure. So Gaza's part of Israel, but they "go back" every couple years? Which is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 (edited) How was Israel rewarded, when under Sharron, they forced the dismantling of all settlments in Gaza and the northern West Bank, and forcibly removed all settlers? Why in the world would they do this again? As to destorying the infrastructure? When Israel vacated Gaza they left the agricultural infrastructure intact. The Palestinians then destroyed it, and proceeded to conduct themselves in a manor which made Sharron look foolish for having proceeded as he did. Was it stately Wayne manor they conducted themselves in? Edited March 23, 2015 by 4merper4mer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Governments come and go. There will be other elections. Hamas only exists because of the current situation. And those 46 dead Israelis and possibly more are just collateral damage for the Palestinians getting what they want? Gee, easy to say as a non-Israeli. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 So Gaza's part of Israel, but they "go back" every couple years? Which is it? I'm not even going to respond to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 So Gaza's part of Israel, but they "go back" every couple years? Which is it? Whichever one makes the Palestinians appear more helpless and victimized. They have no influence on the events that affect them. How was Israel rewarded, when under Sharron, they forced the dismantling of all settlments in Gaza and the northern West Bank, and forcibly removed all settlers? Why in the world would they do this again? As to destorying the infrastructure? When Israel vacated Gaza they left the agricultural infrastructure intact. The Palestinians then destroyed it, and proceeded to conduct themselves in a manor which made Sharron look foolish for having proceeded as he did. Fool me twice, we won't get fooled again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Governments come and go. There will be other elections. Hamas only exists because of the current situation. Conversely, the current situation only exists because of Hamas. Tough to negotiate when you keep launching rockets at the people you're trying to negotiate with. I'm not even going to respond to this. Because...you can't reconcile Gaza's self-rule and Israel's withdrawal with your desire for it to be untrue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 We've hit a dead end like we always do. I've enjoyed the discussion, but I'm done. I'm not gonna change my opinion and neither are you guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 We've hit a dead end like we always do. I've enjoyed the discussion, but I'm done. I'm not gonna change my opinion and neither are you guys. Because like the rest of Palestinian Arabs, you live in a world of utter delusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 (edited) Conversely, the current situation only exists because of Hamas. Tough to negotiate when you keep launching rockets at the people you're trying to negotiate with. Because...you can't reconcile Gaza's self-rule and Israel's withdrawal with your desire for it to be untrue? But before I go I have to reply to this drivel. Correct me if I'm wrong but the war in '67 was started because the Straits of Tiran were blocked. Gaza is blocked on all sides. It's a f'in prison. Edited March 23, 2015 by Justice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Gaza may be the only place in the world that is simultaneously self-ruled, occupied by Israel, and revisited by Israel. The Schrodinger's cat of cities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Our involvement in that whole region made things worse. This government and many of you will never understand the ME. What's there to understand? One side screams and rants that the other should be destroyed. The other side takes aggressive measures to prevent that. The screaming/ranting side then cries foul play, and the cycle continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 You guys are gonna have to show me where I said Gaza wasn't self ruled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 You guys are gonna have to show me where I said Gaza wasn't self ruled. Your "leave our 22% (comprising of Gaza and the WB) alone," implies that Gaza and the WB are not left alone. The WB may not be but Gaza is, and it's hardly worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Your "leave our 22% (comprising of Gaza and the WB) alone," implies that Gaza and the WB are not left alone. The WB may not be but Gaza is, and it's hardly worked. Yes. As in the whole 22%. Gaza and the West Bank. I know and you know there are no settlements in Gaza. The Gaza Strip doesn't exactly have full control of itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 It depends on your definition of "threat." I actually agree with you - the Palestinians are not an existential threat. It also depends on your definition of existential threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 The world does not operate in a vacuum, the world does not operate in a vacuum, the world does not operate in a vacuum, the world does not operate in a vacuum, the world does not operate in a vacuum, the world does not operate in a vacuum, the world does not operate in a vacuum, the world does not operate in a vacuum, the world does not operate in a vacuum, the world does not operate in a vacuum, the world does not operate in a vacuum...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Yes. As in the whole 22%. Gaza and the West Bank. I know and you know there are no settlements in Gaza. The Gaza Strip doesn't exactly have full control of itself. Enough control to attack Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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