FireChan Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Enough control to attack Israel. Yeah but just because they rewarded the Israelis loosening their grip with violence against the Israelis, doesn't mean they don't deserve more freedom from the Israelis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 It also depends on your definition of existential threat. Yes. While most Palestinian's may not be a threat, moving the borders could potentially bring a threat closer to Israel depending upon who the Palestinian's allow to be there with them. No way does Israel want to bring potential enemies even closer. My gosh one look at a map reveals how close Israel's rivals already are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 (edited) Again, without our defense dollars, Israel would be forced into a situation in which their survival depended on taking an even more aggressive approach with their hostile neighboors. There would be no discussion about the plight of the Palestinians, because there would be no Palestinians. Bullsh#t. They couldnt even last a month against Hamas last summer without being resupplied by US Edited March 23, 2015 by JTSP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 (edited) Bullsh#t. They couldnt even last a month against Hamas last summer without being resupplied by USThat's the most naive thing I've ever seen posted here. Israel wears 3b worth of kid gloves that we pay to put on their soldiers hands, standard issue. With that said, I'd be in favor or removing the funding, forcing off the gloves. Let Israel's enemies reap what they've sowed. Edited March 23, 2015 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 It also depends on your definition of existential threat. "Threat to existence." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 That's the most naive thing I've ever seen posted here. Israel wears 3b worth of kid gloves that we pay to put on their soldiers hands, standard issue. With that said, I'd be in favor or removing the funding, forcing off the gloves. Let Israel's enemies reap what they've sowed. so we're buying israel's passivity? how do you think that's working out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Barry's a !@#$ing Jedi master with the mind tricks he can play on some. Geez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 so we're buying israel's passivity? how do you think that's working out? Ask the Iron Dome. What do you think they'd have to do if they couldn't thwart their enemies' attacks? What would the US do if Cuba launched rockets at us, and we couldn't stop 99.9% of the civilian casualties? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 (edited) so we're buying israel's passivity? how do you think that's working out?We're not and that's nonsense. That's why he had no substantive response and just name called as "naive". To put another way to demonstrate how ludricous a position he's taking (if it can even be called that), so Israel is begging us for $3B+/year so they can be constrained? Lol ...unreal Edited March 24, 2015 by JTSP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Ask the Iron Dome. What do you think they'd have to do if they couldn't thwart their enemies' attacks? What would the US do if Cuba launched rockets at us, and we couldn't stop 99.9% of the civilian casualties? Iron Dome's a joint weapons program that the Pentagon derives significant benefit from as well. Characterizing it as just "Hey, we're giving you free ****!" is a serious mischaracterization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Iron Dome's a joint weapons program that the Pentagon derives significant benefit from as well. Characterizing it as just "Hey, we're giving you free ****!" is a serious mischaracterization. Yep. But that's besides the point in this instance. I want birddog to answer my Cuba analogy. What would the US have to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Yep. But that's besides the point in this instance. I want birddog to answer my Cuba analogy. What would the US have to do? Why, we'd have to apologize, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Why, we'd have to apologize, of course. Leave them be, says Justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 "Threat to existence." Then by this definition, Palestinians are a threat to Israel's existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 (edited) Then by this definition, Palestinians are a threat to Israel's existence. In relative terms, Israel is a far greater threat to Palestineans existence, and have been for years via massive stockpile of WMDs, settlement land grabs, incursion into gaza about every 2 years with massive civilian casualties, random, routine and un-investigated shootings like this .... A 14-year-old Palestinian boy was shot and killed by Israeli soldiers on Saturday, Palestinian sources said. Eyewitnesses said the boy, Wajih al-Ramahi, was shot in the back by an Israel Defense Forces sniper near a school in the Jalazun refugee camp, north of Ramallah. The IDF Spokesman’s Office said the army has received the report of the boy’s death and is looking into the incident. The witnesses said no clashes preceded the shooting, nor have any arrests been reported in the area. But the IDF confirmed that it was conducting an operation near Jalazun at the time of the reported shooting. The boy’s father, Wajdi al-Ramahi, told the Palestinian news agency Ma’an that a soldier in a watchtower near the settlement of Beit El shot his son “as if he were a bird” while the boy was out walking. http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.562258 Edited March 24, 2015 by JTSP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Then by this definition, Palestinians are a threat to Israel's existence. No, they're not. They can't do any more than harass Israel. They have no capacity to cause Israel to cease to exist. The surrounding countries - Egypt, Syria, Jordan, etc. - yes. The Palestinians, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 (edited) No, they're not. They can't do any more than harass Israel. They have no capacity to cause Israel to cease to exist. The surrounding countries - Egypt, Syria, Jordan, etc. - yes. The Palestinians, no. wow. honesty, it's such a lonely word…. Ask the Iron Dome. What do you think they'd have to do if they couldn't thwart their enemies' attacks? What would the US do if Cuba launched rockets at us, and we couldn't stop 99.9% of the civilian casualties? we'd probably give them free cell phone and internet service and they'd be eternally grateful and it would be much cheaper than fighting them and we could even eventually make money off them. and we could spy on them more easily. http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/2015/03/23/394276385/an-object-of-desire-hope-and-yearning-for-the-internet-in-cuba Edited March 24, 2015 by birdog1960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 (edited) No, they're not. They can't do any more than harass Israel. They have no capacity to cause Israel to cease to exist. The surrounding countries - Egypt, Syria, Jordan, etc. - yes. The Palestinians, no. Surprised that you've fallen into the rabbit hole that was dug by the idiots. The threat to Israel's existence isn't solely from a military annihilation. Edited March 24, 2015 by GG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Surprised that you've fallen into the rabbit hole that was dug by the idiots. The threat to Israel's existence isn't solely from a military annihilation. you mean global moral outrage over chained humans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 you mean global moral outrage over chained humans? What in the world are you babbling about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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