Jauronimo Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Next time, do your own homework, Sue. BUT WHERE IS THE LINK?!?!?!?!?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXBILLSFAN Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Bills parted with two firsts, and got one back. Which was used on Sammy. It's virtually the same as trading one first rounder for a player already picked in the first round. ?? I'm not following ? Using the Percy Harvin trade as a benchmark --- the Watkins trade would be equivalent to the Bills trading their 2014 1st, 2015 1st and 4th for Harvin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) ?? I'm not following ? Using the Percy Harvin trade as a benchmark --- the Watkins trade would be equivalent to the Bills trading their 2014 1st, 2015 1st and 4th for Harvin. Wrong. Can't say I'm shocked. Watkins trade, swap firsts, trade 2015 1st and 4th. Use #4 for Watkins. Net traded loss of 1 first rounder and 1 fourth rounder. Harvin trade, already taken #17 I think? Trade next season's first rounder, fourth rounder and seventh rounder. Net traded loss of 1 first rounder, 1 fourth and 1 seventh. Edited January 26, 2015 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXBILLSFAN Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) Wrong. Can't say I'm shocked. Watkins trade, swap firsts, trade 2015 1st and 4th. Use #4 for Watkins. Net loss of 1 first rounder and 1 fourth rounder. Harvin trade, already taken #17 I think? Trade next season's first rounder, fourth rounder and seventh rounder. Net loss of 1 first rounder, 1 fourth and 1 seventh. You're wrong. The Seahawks used 1st, 4th and 7th and end result was they got HARVIN. The Bills used 1st, 1st and 4th and end result was they got Watkins. The Seahawks never used one of their own draft picks to draft Harvin, he was already drafted in a previous year by the Vikings -- so, Hawks gave up 3 picks to acquire Harvin (1, 4 and 7), Bills gave/used 3 picks to acquire Watkins (1, 1 and 4) Edited January 26, 2015 by TXBILLSFAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) So, the defense of the bad trade is that if we didn't make the trade we would have done something even worse ?? Boy, do we need to raise expectations with our fan base !! Since we would have used only one pick on ebron (if in fact we even drafted him) its not even clear that would have been the worse alternative. If ebron develops into a good TE he'll likely be every bit as valuable a player as Watkins but cost a lot less in draft picks. So they're even wrong on this comparison. (Cue up the cheerleaders who say its too early to judge Watkins, but who've already written ebron off) Edited January 26, 2015 by JTSP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Since we would have used only one pick on ebron (if in fact we even drafted him) its not even clear that would have been the worse alternative. If ebron develops into a good TE he'll likely be every bit as valuable a player as Watkins but cost a lot less in draft picks. So they're even wrong on this comparison. (Cue up the cheerleaders who say its too early to judge Watkins, but who've already written ebron off) What we do know is that Ebron was underwhelming year 1 and Watkins had a very good first year (and could have been much better), showed flashes of greatness and barring injury will be a very good receiver. Ebron showed nothing (and actually was more so a bust)..... But keep on posting...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) You're wrong. The Seahawks used 1st, 4th and 7th and end result was they got HARVIN. The Bills used 1st, 1st and 4th and end result was they got Watkins. The Seahawks never used one of their own draft picks to draft Harvin, he was already drafted in a previous year by the Vikings -- so, Hawks gave up 3 picks to acquire Harvin (1, 4 and 7), Bills gave/used 3 picks to acquire Watkins (1, 1 and 4) And we got a pick back. The nets are the same. We did not net loss a 2014 first rounder. Edited January 26, 2015 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) What we do know is that Ebron was underwhelming year 1 and Watkins had a very good first year (and could have been much better), showed flashes of greatness and barring injury will be a very good receiver. Ebron showed nothing (and actually was more so a bust)..... But keep on posting...... Yeap.I got it already. In the wacky world of the watkins trade apologists, its not too early to use ebrons rookie #'s to label him a bust, but it is too soon .... several years too soon ....to use ODBs superior #'s in support of him being better than Watkins. Okey doke, no need for you to keep posting. Heard that nonsense too much already Edited January 26, 2015 by JTSP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 And we got a pick back. The nets are the same. We did not net loss a 2014 first rounder. Tomato/Tomahto. If the Browns drafted Watkins then traded him for the same compensation we'd both have ended up in the exact position we're in respectively and it would be factually indisputable that we trwaded two firsts and a 4th for Watkins. It's like one guy says a + b = c and the other guy says it's wrong because c - b = a. You can dress it up however you like but it's still the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXBILLSFAN Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 And we got a pick back. The nets are the same. We did not net loss a 2014 first rounder. Are you trolling ? If you are, congrats, you got me. If not, ask someone else to explain it, because I clearly am not getting through to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Since we would have used only one pick on ebron (if in fact we even drafted him) its not even clear that would have been the worse alternative. If ebron develops into a good TE he'll likely be every bit as valuable a player as Watkins but cost a lot less in draft picks. So they're even wrong on this comparison. (Cue up the cheerleaders who say its too early to judge Watkins, but who've already written ebron off) "If Ebron develops into a nice TE" - Ebron didnt show signs of developing into a TE.....he wasnt an immediate starter......he is going to take some time - Sammy Wakins is a stir and ready starter........like...right away....and had a fine rookie season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Yeap.I got it already. In the wacky world of the watkins trade apologists, its not too early to use ebrons rookie #'s to label him a bust, but it is too soon .... several years too soon ....to use ODBs superior #'s in support of him being better than Watkins. Okey doke, no need for you to keep posting. Heard that nonsense too much already :lol: You're a riot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Yeap.I got it already. In the wacky world of the watkins trade apologists, its not too early to use ebrons rookie #'s to label him a bust, but it is too soon .... several years too soon ....to use ODBs superior #'s in support of him being better than Watkins. Okey doke, no need for you to keep posting. Heard that nonsense too much already In the wacky world of JTSP - Its ok to label ODB better then Sammy Watkins......when all he has truly shown is that he had a better rookie season. ONE season with a better QB and more completion opportunities. But go ahead.....keep going on with your head in the sand while you sound like a total hypocrite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 In the wacky world of JTSP - Its ok to label ODB better then Sammy Watkins......when all he has truly shown is that he had a better rookie season. ONE season with a better QB and more completion opportunities. But go ahead.....keep going on with your head in the sand while you sound like a total hypocrite He doesn't sound like a hypocrite. He sounds like JTSP -- king crusader and troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) Yeap.I got it already. In the wacky world of the watkins trade apologists, its not too early to use ebrons rookie #'s to label him a bust, but it is too soon .... several years too soon ....to use ODBs superior #'s in support of him being better than Watkins. Okey doke, no need for you to keep posting. Heard that nonsense too much already I take it we're not getting that elusive jump ball analysis I asked for a few pages back (and about 7 times before that as well)...disappointing given that it's the crux of your argument against Watkins now that the "drops too many passes" argument isn't valid. Oh, also under the column of unanswered questions: What were Eric Moulds' rookie stats, since apparently Watkins needs to improve to get to his level (mind you, Moulds played with Jim Kelly)? Why did the Giants pick Beckham and get worse, while the Bills picked Watkins and got better? Edited January 26, 2015 by thebandit27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I take it we're not getting that elusive jump ball analysis I asked for a few pages back (and about 7 times before that as well)...disappointing given that it's the crux of your argument against Watkins now that the "drops too many passes" argument isn't valid. Oh, also under the column of unanswered questions: What were Eric Moulds' rookie stats, since apparently Watkins needs to improve to get to his level (mind you, Moulds played with Jim Kelly)? Why did the Giants pick Beckham and get worse, while the Bills picked Watkins and got better? Post # 7,777 -- go play lotto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 :lol: You're a riot. I hereby grant you license to use "idiot" to describe JTSP. It's just too big a job for one person; I could use the backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I hereby grant you license to use "idiot" to describe JTSP. It's just too big a job for one person; I could use the backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 And we got a pick back. The nets are the same. We did not net loss a 2014 first rounder. No pal wake up. Hawks drafted Aaron curry in in first round of year when vikes drafted harvin. Via draft/trade hawks used 2 firsts and got 2 players...curry and harvin. Bills used 2 firsts and got 1 player .... Watkins. The "nets" are not the same....except in the minds of the weird, wacky, watkins-trade apologists where as we've seen anything goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 No pal wake up. Hawks drafted Aaron curry in in first round of year when vikes drafted harvin. Via draft/trade hawks used 2 firsts and got 2 players...curry and harvin. Bills used 2 firsts and got 1 player .... Watkins. The "nets" are not the same....except in the minds of the weird, wacky, watkins-trade apologists where as we've seen anything goes Apologist for what???? Getting a great pick, who won the Bills two games in 2014 and looks to be a star for years to come (with any passable QB)????? What a bust!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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