BillsFan-4-Ever Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 100% No titles since Spy Gate. They're the beneficiaries of a weak division (over their run) and Bellicheat continually moving the goalposts of football ethics to suit his team. I can't wait to watch the Seahawks smoke the *pats in a few weeks... If Luck doesn't do the job beforehand. !@#$ the *pats. Their time is over. :thumbsup: I guess since you didn't see the game, you must really know what you're taking about. It was genius coaching, plain and simple. The Pats have run that quick pass to the WR hundreds of times ... Edelman made it look like he was going to run, pulled up, and launched a strike. That's not trickery -- that's just great coaching. Come on, Bills Fans, this is ridiculous. The Bills should learn something from the Pats here. I'm a huge Bills fan -- but Harrison knocks down one ball, and Welker halls in another pass, Brady would be 5-0 in Superbowls. The videotaping had nothing to do with their success. Of course, if you want to believe that it did to make you feel better about the Bills, then go right ahead. and so was the Music City Miracle. coaching genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Bills Fan Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) 100% No titles since Spy Gate. They're the beneficiaries of a weak division (over their run) and Bellicheat continually moving the goalposts of football ethics to suit his team. I can't wait to watch the Seahawks smoke the *pats in a few weeks... If Luck doesn't do the job beforehand. !@#$ the *pats. Their time is over. Only 2 Superbowl appearances, both of which they would have won but for freak plays. And 18 wins in a season. Maybe if the Bills could do anything right, they would have made the playoffs since "spygate." Man up, be a fan. Stop whining. They are just a better team. The Bills need to get better. Edited January 12, 2015 by DC Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 The videotaping had nothing to do with their success. Yup. That's why they haven't won a ring since they got caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Bills Fan Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 :thumbsup: and so was the Music City Miracle. coaching genius It actually was. They counted on the Bills to be undisciplined, drew them to one side of the field, and then the Bills fell apart. Great coaching. The Bills could have avoided that by kicking deep or out of bounds, but the Flutie curse was in full force at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 It actually was. They counted on the Bills to be undisciplined, drew them to one side of the field, and then the Bills fell apart. Great coaching. The Bills could have avoided that by kicking deep or out of bounds, but the Flutie curse was in full force at that point. It was a forward pass. Great coaching call, poor execution, terrible officiating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Bills Fan Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Yup. That's why they haven't won a ring since they got caught. Sure. Take your meds, man. I'm a Bills fan, but I respect the way the Pats play. And win. So I guess Jim Kelly was no good either. He didn't win a SB, did he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Except there was no way for the defense to know if he'd line up at the LOS or behind until he actually did it, about 1 second before the snap. minus reports that the refs properly signaled the ineligibility, word that it was announced over the PA, etc.... are you proposing that the refs should hold the ball for any declared eligible/ineligible play for like 15 seconds while the defense re-sets? If they split a tackle wide to block a WR screen would you be up in arms that the defense didnt have time to change their plan? its defendable, the defense just has to have a plan and baltimore didnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Did I say I was pissed off? Did I not say ... "No matter who the team is"? No, you didn't. Yes, you did. My point is that too many people (mostly Bills fans, it seems) just blindly hate BB, Brady and the Pats, without giving them any credit for simply being a superior football team/organization. I get the hatred. I hate them, too. But I find it pretty easy to see that they've been one of the best teams in football every year since Brady became the starter. It's not cheating. It's working harder and being better and smarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Sure. Take your meds, man. I'm a Bills fan, but I respect the way the Pats play. And win. So I guess Jim Kelly was no good either. He didn't win a SB, did he? I can't respect a team that cheats to the extent the league has to burn evidence to keep their dynasty in tact. I can't respect a head coach that consistently moves the goal posts of ethics to better suit his personal needs -- in both football and his personal life. I can't respect a team that is led by Brady, who might be the best QB ever to play the game but is one of the worst winners and worst losers in the history of sports. This isn't about the Bills. It's about the *pats. And since they got busted cheating, they haven't won. And the success they've had has been largely due to playing in a piss poor AFC East for a decade and Brady. Both of those things are about to be over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) No, you didn't. Yes, you did. My point is that too many people (mostly Bills fans, it seems) just blindly hate BB, Brady and the Pats, without giving them any credit for simply being a superior football team/organization. I get the hatred. I hate them, too. But I find it pretty easy to see that they've been one of the best teams in football every year since Brady became the starter. It's not cheating. It's working harder and being better and smarter. Oh I give them some credit. But since SpyGate...... they don't deserve it in my book. season after season something new shady pops up. call it genius or bending the rules. Why is it so few other great teams do it? or should I sat don't do it? Edited January 12, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Smoke and mirrors. They continue to do it. Baltimore was so much better Unfortunately not what the score said at the end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Bills Fan Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I can't respect a team that cheats to the extent the league has to burn evidence to keep their dynasty in tact. I can't respect a head coach that consistently moves the goal posts of ethics to better suit his personal needs -- in both football and his personal life. I can't respect a team that is led by Brady, who might be the best QB ever to play the game but is one of the worst winners and worst losers in the history of sports. This isn't about the Bills. It's about the *pats. And since they got busted cheating, they haven't won. And the success they've had has been largely due to playing in a piss poor AFC East for a decade and Brady. Both of those things are about to be over. I think I've got it ... so "winning" to you means that you have to win a SB. Not win the AFC East 6 years in a row. Or consistently go to the AFC championship game. Or have a perfect season lost based on a couple of fluke plays? So the Bills SB teams weren't any good. ... Marino wasn't any good. Nope. They didn't win a SB. It is amazing what losing has done to Bills Fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jared Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Pats fan here (I initially stopped in to read Rex reactions, but I saw this thread). Peter King in his MMQB article clearly states that on all three plays in question, there was between 7 and 10 seconds from the time of the PA announcement to when the ball is snapped. I'm not sure what other benefit a defense is deserving of against a trick play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I think I've got it ... so "winning" to you means that you have to win a SB. Not win the AFC East 6 years in a row. Or consistently go to the AFC championship game. Or have a perfect season lost based on a couple of fluke plays? So the Bills SB teams weren't any good. ... Marino wasn't any good. Nope. They didn't win a SB. It is amazing what losing has done to Bills Fans. a lot of "good" teams don't win the SB. Again .... how many other "good" teams have to rely of trickery year in and year out? How many teams also relied on the Refs creating rules to help them win? Not many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Pats fan here (I initially stopped in to read Rex reactions, but I saw this thread). Peter King in his MMQB article clearly states that on all three plays in question, there was between 7 and 10 seconds from the time of the PA announcement to when the ball is snapped. I'm not sure what other benefit a defense is deserving of against a trick play. if your going to let facts get in the way of a good story, you may be asked to go back to your own forum (laffin) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I think I've got it ... so "winning" to you means that you have to win a SB. Not win the AFC East 6 years in a row. Or consistently go to the AFC championship game. Or have a perfect season lost based on a couple of fluke plays? So the Bills SB teams weren't any good. ... Marino wasn't any good. Nope. They didn't win a SB. It is amazing what losing has done to Bills Fans. "Winning" to me is irrelevant. "Winning" to Bellicheat is qualified only as winning a Super Bowl. It's been a decade since they've accomplished that goal. And it correlates precisely to when SpyGate broke. That might be a coincidence, and I'm not denying in any way that the *pats aren't talented, or Brady/Bellicheat aren't in the upper echelons of their respective positions in football history. But the facts are clear. The *pats win dirty. And "winning" is all they care about, so much so they repeatedly flout the rules -- written or unwritten -- in their effort to win rings. So yeah, winning isn't enough for the *pat way, it's about Super Bowls. And on that measure, they've failed for over a decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 unwritten rules, spirit of the game, winning dirty.....horse poo best coach in the history of the NFL best qb in the history of the NFL. best franchise of last decade. won division 12 of last 14 years. if all this happened to the bills, you guys would be loving it. haters gonna hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumblefish Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 simply put "winning isn't everything, it's the only thing" as Red Sanders would say, next big chant for anti Pat's fans "belli-trick" no one has to like it but , it is what it is" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan369 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Over the years NE has found a lot of loop holes. some to the point the league has to change a rule or modify it. And Tom Brady is right read the rule book! But he did not say find loop holes in the rules. and what is sad is they move on not because there a great team as everyone of there fans an most of the media would lead you to believe. They got outplayed an they knew it!! Most anybody can win on a uneven playing field. Watch out Colts I don't think they have played all there cards yet!!! I think NE falls nothing short of finding new ways to use rule book against you.. I hate NE always have!! I am hoping Sexy Rexy reads the rule book an then flat beats them next year. I also wonder if they don't make SB if there might be a house cleaning in NE Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 unwritten rules, spirit of the game, winning dirty.....horse poo best coach in the history of the NFL best qb in the history of the NFL. best franchise of last decade. won division 12 of last 14 years. if all this happened to the bills, you guys would be loving it. haters gonna hate. True, but it's not the Bills. It's a division rival. And no championship in over a decade. None coming this year either. Their run is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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