All_Pro_Bills Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Not sure if this was discussed but this was in USA Today. Did official give NE some help in avoiding a penalty call on the Jets final FG attempt? I don't recall the Bills ever getting 'tips' from the ref's to avoid a potential call like illegal formation. http://ftw.usatoday....ew-england-york Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 @DeanBlandino Player safety rule and Umpire will remind players to stay off the center before snap. Will discuss on NFLAM this morning. Blandino: Ref tapping Hightower to avoid penalty 'not unusual' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I see this happen all the time. The ref will walk up and smack the player on the butt telling him to move. Non issue. Fun fact NE is the most penalized team in the league this year..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 can we please stop with everything is 'help from the zebras'. Get over it. Penalties are called, rules are enforced. Sometimes correctly, sometimes they get it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 can we please stop with everything is 'help from the zebras'. Get over it. Penalties are called, rules are enforced. Sometimes correctly, sometimes they get it wrong. agree. RossTucker this morning said same thing, happens all the time. Gave example of WR checking with ref for onside, alignment etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Then why does the penalty get called if the refs is suppose to be move the player. The pats may be the most penalized team but they never come at critical times. Like when Brady should have got called for intentional grounding on the final drive. But they get a holding calling in the 2nd quarter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) Then why does the penalty get called if the refs is suppose to be move the player. This. Someone please explain? How does anyone ever get called for lining up over center? Edited October 17, 2014 by TheBillsWillRiseAgain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 This. Someone please explain? How does anyone ever get called for lining up over center? When was the last time you saw this penalty called? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 When was the last time you saw this penalty called? This year. And yes, I will find it. I'm looking now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ko12010 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I see this happen all the time. The ref will walk up and smack the player on the butt telling him to move. Non issue. Fun fact NE is the most penalized team in the league this year..... Keep believing this is the important aspect of this issue, not timing and type of penalty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I see this happen all the time. The ref will walk up and smack the player on the butt telling him to move. Non issue. Fun fact NE is the most penalized team in the league this year..... I would not be surprised if the majority of those were minor false start penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) When was the last time you saw this penalty called? Bam. Last week Colts vs. Texans. The Texans began to mount a comeback in the second quarter, however, as a stupid penalty by Zach Kerr on a Texans field goal try (illegal formation for lining up over the center) led to an insane Andre Johnson touchdown catch, then Luck was picked and a few plays later Arian Foster ran for a score to make it 24-14 Colts. http://www.stampedeblue.com/2014/10/9/6955243/colts-vs-texans-second-half-open-thread I would not be surprised if the majority of those were minor false start penalties. 33 out of the 63 penalties the Patriots have this season are only 5-yard penalties. Edited October 17, 2014 by TheBillsWillRiseAgain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) Two components are needed for this play to be called a penalty. The defender must be over the long snapper AND he must be within 1 yard of the LOS. While it is true that Hightower was over the LS (until the ref corrected him) it is also true that Hightower was beyond the 1 yard mark and so was legally lined-up. Not only was this not a penalty but the ref should not have re-positioned Hightower out of his perfectly legal placement. The rule in question: Rule 9, Section 1, Article 3(a): Defensive Team Formation on Scrimmage Kicks: When Team A presents a punt, field-goal, or Try Kick formation, a Team B player, who is within one yard of the line of scrimmage, must have his entire body outside the snapper's shoulder pads at the snap. Here's picture which clearly shows Hightower beyond the 1 yard from LOS mark. Edited October 17, 2014 by Pneumonic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I see this happen all the time. The ref will walk up and smack the player on the butt telling him to move. Non issue. Fun fact NE is the most penalized team in the league this year..... But, like all real evidence points to in the conspiracies is that when it is not called. When penalties are not called. Revis' PI late in the game, the chopping blows Geno Smith was getting all night, the whipped to the ground he was getting as players would continue to roll in to his legs, the launching tackles at receivers heads, etc. They failed to call several penalties on the Pats when they were blatantly obvious and would have changed the game. When was the last time you saw this penalty called? It was called against Miami, iirc, in our matchup. It gets called weekly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Two components are needed for this play to be called a penalty. The defender must be over the long snapper AND he must be within 1 yard of the LOS. While it is true that Hightower was over the LS (until the ref corrected him) it is also true that Hightower was beyond the 1 yard mark and so was legally lined-up. Not only was this not a penalty but the ref should not have re-positioned Hightower out of his perfectly legal placement. The rule in question: Bull. Hightower is clearly walking right up to the LOS and stopped by the ref grabbing him. Watch it again: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153326026808009&set=vb.618438008&type=2&theater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Bull. Hightower is clearly walking right up to the LOS and stopped by the ref grabbing him. Watch it again: https://www.facebook...&type=2 And Hightower knew they were going to shift, he would have been dead over the center. Refs suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Bull. Hightower is clearly walking right up to the LOS and stopped by the ref grabbing him. Watch it again: https://www.facebook...&type=2 In the picture above, it is clear that the ref is touching him 2 yards from the LOS .............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) It's obvious he was walking forward until the ref grabbed him. If the ref wouldn't have grabbed him he would have kept walking forward. Edited October 17, 2014 by TheBillsWillRiseAgain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) It's obvious he was walking forward until the ref grabbed him. If the ref wouldn't have grabbed him he would have kept walking forward. The reffing is bad enough as it it. Surely, you don't want refs determining player intent before a play even happens. Not that this part really matters as the league admitted it is common practice for refs to re-direct players on such plays. Edited October 17, 2014 by Pneumonic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 If it's such common practice then why has that penalty been called on other teams this season? I'm sick of people constantly making excuses for the Patriots always getting favorable and questionable calls their way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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