Captain Hindsight Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 To be fair, Barnwell has an article in Grantland this week largely refuting the Daily News piece and suggesting that Idzik in fact knows what he is doing, but that his plan might take another year or so to come together. Barnwell is very often right. What exactly is the plan? I think he is trying to get Rex fired but he better be careful he doesn't get himself canned too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 (edited) http://nypost.com/2014/10/06/john-idzik-deserves-the-jets-hot-seat-most-of-all/ Wow, and some here think the Bills have been mismanaged? Edited October 9, 2014 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 (edited) The Bills should be glad they only have little old Jerry Sullivan to deal with. Idzik has been GM for 2 drafts. They needed a QB (just like we did) and he drafted one last year (just like we did). Their 2nd year QB is struggling and is still the starter. Our struggling 2nd year QB was benched and replaced by a semi-retired guy who was brought in at the 11th hour because our FO had no cogent plan this offseason for a backup (Tuel, Lewis, Dixon and Palmer were fine examples of this team's continuing tradition of QB futility, from one GM to then next...) . As in Buffalo, if the Jets would only bench their QB and play their backup, they too may be hailed as geniuses if the guy wins a game. The fans would forgive and the press would fawn. The Post article lists among Idzik's "sins", guys like Milliner, who they knock because he is injured a lot--and not a "shutdown corner". Hey, the Bills blew a first round pick on Gilmore, who has been injured and is not and looks like he will never be a shutdown corner. They also mention some 4th round pick (Saunders) who was released. Yet the Bills released a 3rd round WR who they famously chose over the next SB champion QB in a year that the Bills desperately needed a new QB. And then there was the often injured 2nd round NT they released. Not to mention the 2nd round O-lineman thye drafted this year who can't seem to contribute to a line that needs a lot of help. Yeah, the Jets have, among many misfortunes, the unpleasant task of being covered by a less benign press than that which covers the Bills. But I think Ryan goes before Idzik, obviously. Edited October 9, 2014 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's Tailor Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 The Bills should be glad they only have little old Jerry Sullivan to deal with. Idzik has been GM for 2 drafts. They needed a QB (just like we did) and he drafted one last year (just like we did). Their 2nd year QB is struggling and is still the starter. Our struggling 2nd year QB was benched and replaced by a semi-retired guy who was brought in at the 11th hour because our FO had no cogent plan this offseason for a backup (Tuel, Lewis, Dixon and Palmer were fine examples of this team's continuing tradition of QB futility, from one GM to then next...) . As in Buffalo, if the Jets would only bench their QB and play their backup, they too may be hailed as geniuses if the guy wins a game. The fans would forgive and the press would fawn. The Post article lists among Idzik's "sins", guys like Milliner, who they knock because he is injured a lot--and not a "shutdown corner". Hey, the Bills blew a first round pick on Gilmore, who has been injured and is not and looks like he will never be a shutdown corner. They also mention some 4th round pick (Saunders) who was released. Yet the Bills released a 3rd round WR who they famously chose over the next SB champion QB in a year that the Bills desperately needed a new QB. And then there was the often injured 2nd round NT they released. Not to mention the 2nd round O-lineman thye drafted this year who can't seem to contribute to a line that needs a lot of help. Yeah, the Jets have, among many misfortunes, the unpleasant task of being covered by a less benign press than the Bills. But I think Ryan goes before Idzik, obviously. If our starting QB missed a team meeting to "go to the movies" (or perhaps Geno & Friends went somewhere else that would look worse to the public?) the night before a game and followed that up with 27 yards passing and an INT before getting benched in a 31-0 loss, I would hope the Buffalo media would let him have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaz Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Wow, and some here think the Bills have been mismanaged? Well. They have been. I think 14 straight years of not making the postseason speaks to that. Everything is relative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 I read that article and it is so incredibly interesting to see the long-term negative effects an improper GM and ineffective team management can have on an NFL franchise. As BILLS fans we tend to have a myopic view of the NFL and just how poorly other teams are managed b/c of the apathetic management of the BILLS during a span of time between 2004 and 2010, but while the QB situation has been mismanaged IMHO over the last two years, Doug Whaley has done an otherwise superb job in nearly every other aspect of FO management. Nix, to some degree started things in a new direction, but over the last two Off-Seasons, and certainly since Whaley has assumed control, this team has significantly improved its general roster talent and depth in a very short period of time. The JETS have much to be concerned about regarding their future, while the BILLS for the first time in a long time can take a sigh relief as Whaley commands the helm of the football operations and believe with some confidence that the team is in good hands. No, Whaley has not been perfect as I mentioned the QB debacle, but many other ways, he's done a hell of a job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 (edited) Well. They have been. I think 14 straight years of not making the postseason speaks to that. Everything is relative. I meant some people think we are mismanaged in 2014. You know, the crime of not game KO in training camp. Vick went to Jets camp? How did that work out for them? Edited October 9, 2014 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 9, 2014 Author Share Posted October 9, 2014 I meant some people think we are mismanaged in 2014. You know, the crime of not game KO in training camp. Vick went to Jets camp? How did that work out for them? it worked out BJH style @SBNationNFL: Michael Vick wasn't prepared to play against Chargers http://t.co/XeOuOtX9mE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Listening to Mike Greenberg and Stephen A Smith this week (both Jets fans), I couldn't help but laugh with glee. They are now saying many of the same things Bills fans said years ago about how their team is built, run, and coached. They have QBs not preparing or learning the playbook (Billy Joe Hobart). Even called the owner "cheap", and said he'd rather pocket the money. They are a complete mess right now. Ah, it's good to be a Bills fan right now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 If our starting QB missed a team meeting to "go to the movies" (or perhaps Geno & Friends went somewhere else that would look worse to the public?) the night before a game and followed that up with 27 yards passing and an INT before getting benched in a 31-0 loss, I would hope the Buffalo media would let him have it. They wouldn't be calling for Whaley's head...which is the whole point here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's Tailor Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 They wouldn't be calling for Whaley's head...which is the whole point here. Disagree again. If the Bills were 1-4, had passed up on numerous free agents who could help a crappy roster while maintaining $24 million in cap room (and ticket prices among the highest in the league I might add), Whaley would be catching it. Meanwhile, Idzik has spent 2 years hyping the draft as his plan to rebuild the roster. He took 12 players in the last draft and four of them have already been cut (again, it's not like the roster is dripping in talent). He's done a horrendous job and members of the press are not overreacting to say so. IMO of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 To be fair, 1 out of his 19 draft picks has been a viable player. His plan seems terrible. If he hits on all 7 picks next year he'll almost be at 30%. Terrible. So, you already know that regarding his 2013 and 2014 drafts? Interesting. Did you read Barnwell's article? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's Tailor Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Another one--this time from the Daily News http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/mehta-hey-jets-time-zone-geno-smith-hit-bench-article-1.1968263 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 (edited) What exactly is the plan? I think he is trying to get Rex fired but he better be careful he doesn't get himself canned too Here, read the article for yourself: http://grantland.com/the-triangle/new-york-jets-running-backs/ I meant some people think we are mismanaged in 2014. You know, the crime of not game KO in training camp. Vick went to Jets camp? How did that work out for them? It's funny to me how Bills fans love to make fun of the Jets, but the fact remains that, for all their problems, the Jets have been a far more successful franchise than the Bills over the past 15 years, and even over the past five years. Jets fans may be disappointed, but that's partly because the Jets' two biggest rivals (the Giants and the Pats) have been wildly successful over that time frame. Edited October 9, 2014 by mannc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 (edited) Here, read the article for yourself: http://grantland.com...-running-backs/ It's funny to me how Bills fans love to make fun of the Jets, but the fact remains that, for all their problems, the Jets have been a far more successful franchise than the Bills over the past 15 years, and even over the past five years. Jets fans may be disappointed, but that's partly because the Jets' two biggest rivals (the Giants and the Pats) have been wildly successful over that time frame. Well you got me there. Idzik and the Jets ought to be getting a pass for sucking now because they were more successful than the Bills the last 15 years. Edited October 9, 2014 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Well you got me there. Idzik and the Jets ought to be getting a pass for sucking now because they were more successful than the Bills the last 15 years. Not my point at all. Idzik has been on the job for a year and a half and the team was in bad shape when he took over. The point of the article, if you read it, is that Idzik has a long-term plan that will take more time to bear fruit and that the Jets might well bottom out this year. It made little sense for the team to spend big in free agency this year just to try to get to 9-7. It remains to be seen whether his draft picks pan out, but he has stockpiled a lot of them. Unlike the Bills, the Jets will probably be in a position to draft a franchise QB this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 9, 2014 Author Share Posted October 9, 2014 Not my point at all. Idzik has been on the job for a year and a half and the team was in bad shape when he took over. The point of the article, if you read it, is that Idzik has a long-term plan that will take more time to bear fruit and that the Jets might well bottom out this year. It made little sense for the team to spend big in free agency this year just to try to get to 9-7. It remains to be seen whether his draft picks pan out, but he has stockpiled a lot of them. Unlike the Bills, the Jets will probably be in a position to draft a franchise QB this year. Carcass for Marcus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Carcass for Marcus? Shame us for Jameis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 9, 2014 Author Share Posted October 9, 2014 Shame us for Jameis. Jameis in NY .... Yeeeee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's Tailor Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Jameis in NY .... Yeeeee Oh please god let this happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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