tonyd19 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 I really do not understand why so many people are pissed about the QB switch on these boards. There is nothing but upside in this move. EJ may eventually be a better QB than Orton, but he is not right now. The Bills just showed they are willing to do whatever it takes to win now, which should make us all happy as fans. So lets look at potential outcomes. 1) Orton becomes the second coming of Kurt Warner. With the talent on this team, he is still young enough to play for 5 or 6 years, which would give Buffalo their QB of the future and time to develop another QB, assuming they resign Orton after this year. EJ continues to develop and we have a very solid back up for the next few years and eventually EJ gets another shot sometime in the future. 2) Orton is an average QB, which makes him much better than EJ (right now) which gives us a chance at winning this season. Orton keeps us in it, EJ has some time to learn from the sidelines and comes back next year more able to lead an offense. If EJ is too delicate to handle a setback like being benched early in his career, than quite frankly, we should know now, because he will never have the mental maturity to be a quality NFL QB. Remember, Orton had a decent rookie year where he started 15 games, only to be benched in year 2. He is still playing and working. We should expect no less from EJ. 3) Orton is the exact same as EJ. In which case this season is over. Orton plays a few games until we are essentially out of the running, and then EJ comes back in to develop more. Hopefully, the experience helps him and we have our QB of the future. 4) Orton is the worst QB since B.J Hobert. in which case the season is over and EJ will come back in to develop later in the season. We then see EJ is still bad and not developing which means we are no better off than we are right now from the QB position. At least in this case you showed your veteran team that you were not sacrificing the season on the alter of letting EJ "develop" and you did everything you could right now to win. It does not matter if you like EJ or not, EJ was loosing this team, especially the receivers. if they did not change, there would have been a mutiny eventually. So at the end of the day, I do not think anyone can argue that the Bills just improved the talent level at the QB position (right now) and the team should be better (right now) because of it. If we are not, then it does not really matter anyway, because EJ will have plenty of time to develop more when the games do not count in November. Like EJ, dont like EJ - hard to argue this team was going nowhere fast this season with him behind center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Very logical. No downside with the switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtDart Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Well thought out. You don't belong on this board! HA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffHead Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 People are pissed about the switch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 The dirty little secret is that nobody is really pissed about it. It's just a few embarrassed internet personas trying to save face after mocking people who dare read the writing on the wall in big bold letters no more than a week ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Tony , I think you have made a solid points and covered the bases. I prefer to panic just the same . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 People are pissed about the switch? I wondered about that too. Who?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 (edited) The dirty little secret is that nobody is really pissed about it. It's just a few embarrassed internet personas trying to save face after mocking people who dare read the writing on the wall in big bold letters no more than a week ago. I dont think thats true. people are furious that we are 4 games in and putting a in a Qback Bills just overpaid about a month and ahalf ago.Yes i think fans are pissed a whole lot we are in this situation I wondered about that too. Who?? You must be on the meds # 81 Edited September 30, 2014 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredo G. Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I really do not understand why so many people are pissed about the QB switch on these boards. There is nothing but upside in this move. EJ may eventually be a better QB than Orton, but he is not right now. The Bills just showed they are willing to do whatever it takes to win now, which should make us all happy as fans. So lets look at potential outcomes. 1) Orton becomes the second coming of Kurt Warner. With the talent on this team, he is still young enough to play for 5 or 6 years, which would give Buffalo their QB of the future and time to develop another QB, assuming they resign Orton after this year. EJ continues to develop and we have a very solid back up for the next few years and eventually EJ gets another shot sometime in the future. 2) Orton is an average QB, which makes him much better than EJ (right now) which gives us a chance at winning this season. Orton keeps us in it, EJ has some time to learn from the sidelines and comes back next year more able to lead an offense. If EJ is too delicate to handle a setback like being benched early in his career, than quite frankly, we should know now, because he will never have the mental maturity to be a quality NFL QB. Remember, Orton had a decent rookie year where he started 15 games, only to be benched in year 2. He is still playing and working. We should expect no less from EJ. 3) Orton is the exact same as EJ. In which case this season is over. Orton plays a few games until we are essentially out of the running, and then EJ comes back in to develop more. Hopefully, the experience helps him and we have our QB of the future. 4) Orton is the worst QB since B.J Hobert. in which case the season is over and EJ will come back in to develop later in the season. We then see EJ is still bad and not developing which means we are no better off than we are right now from the QB position. At least in this case you showed your veteran team that you were not sacrificing the season on the alter of letting EJ "develop" and you did everything you could right now to win. It does not matter if you like EJ or not, EJ was loosing this team, especially the receivers. if they did not change, there would have been a mutiny eventually. So at the end of the day, I do not think anyone can argue that the Bills just improved the talent level at the QB position (right now) and the team should be better (right now) because of it. If we are not, then it does not really matter anyway, because EJ will have plenty of time to develop more when the games do not count in November. Like EJ, dont like EJ - hard to argue this team was going nowhere fast this season with him behind center. Good post, Finally some balls! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Throw this into the mix… Orton > Fitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juno999 Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I'm surprised that the Bills made the switch this soon. I think it is the right call though. I was not looking forward to the Lions game but now I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I prefer to snark. However, there is nothing to snark here. This post is reasonable, true, and boring in its well-reasoned logic. Boom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I really do not understand why so many people are pissed about the QB switch on these boards. There is nothing but upside in this move. EJ may eventually be a better QB than Orton, but he is not right now. The Bills just showed they are willing to do whatever it takes to win now, which should make us all happy as fans. So lets look at potential outcomes. 1) Orton becomes the second coming of Kurt Warner. With the talent on this team, he is still young enough to play for 5 or 6 years, which would give Buffalo their QB of the future and time to develop another QB, assuming they resign Orton after this year. EJ continues to develop and we have a very solid back up for the next few years and eventually EJ gets another shot sometime in the future. 2) Orton is an average QB, which makes him much better than EJ (right now) which gives us a chance at winning this season. Orton keeps us in it, EJ has some time to learn from the sidelines and comes back next year more able to lead an offense. If EJ is too delicate to handle a setback like being benched early in his career, than quite frankly, we should know now, because he will never have the mental maturity to be a quality NFL QB. Remember, Orton had a decent rookie year where he started 15 games, only to be benched in year 2. He is still playing and working. We should expect no less from EJ. 3) Orton is the exact same as EJ. In which case this season is over. Orton plays a few games until we are essentially out of the running, and then EJ comes back in to develop more. Hopefully, the experience helps him and we have our QB of the future. 4) Orton is the worst QB since B.J Hobert. in which case the season is over and EJ will come back in to develop later in the season. We then see EJ is still bad and not developing which means we are no better off than we are right now from the QB position. At least in this case you showed your veteran team that you were not sacrificing the season on the alter of letting EJ "develop" and you did everything you could right now to win. It does not matter if you like EJ or not, EJ was loosing this team, especially the receivers. if they did not change, there would have been a mutiny eventually. So at the end of the day, I do not think anyone can argue that the Bills just improved the talent level at the QB position (right now) and the team should be better (right now) because of it. If we are not, then it does not really matter anyway, because EJ will have plenty of time to develop more when the games do not count in November. Like EJ, dont like EJ - hard to argue this team was going nowhere fast this season with him behind center. Really well reasoned. It's stuff like this that makes this board worth reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Imwouldn't get ahead of ourselves. The Lions is a serious stretch. I also think maybe the first game is average at best trying to create synergy. I see the Pats as a possibility of a really good game for Orton as well as Vikings and so on. This is Orton's last chance to be a starting QB. Only time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I wanted Manuel to show enough progress to justify that he get this year to learn and develop, however even I could see that he shouldn't be playing. Still, turning to Orton is no great consolation prize. He is a nine year vet who is a career 58% passer who has a slightly positive TD to INT ratio. I expect that he might look good for a game or two, but it will be a mirage - he is a journeyman QB. The Bills will still be at a disadvantage at QB vs 25 or more other teams a that is, Orton might be as good or better than maybe a few other starting QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's Tailor Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 The dirty little secret is that nobody is really pissed about it. It's just a few embarrassed internet personas trying to save face after mocking people who dare read the writing on the wall in big bold letters no more than a week ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdk Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I really do not understand why so many people are pissed about the QB switch on these boards. There is nothing but upside in this move. EJ may eventually be a better QB than Orton, but he is not right now. The Bills just showed they are willing to do whatever it takes to win now, which should make us all happy as fans. So lets look at potential outcomes. 1) Orton becomes the second coming of Kurt Warner. With the talent on this team, he is still young enough to play for 5 or 6 years, which would give Buffalo their QB of the future and time to develop another QB, assuming they resign Orton after this year. EJ continues to develop and we have a very solid back up for the next few years and eventually EJ gets another shot sometime in the future. 2) Orton is an average QB, which makes him much better than EJ (right now) which gives us a chance at winning this season. Orton keeps us in it, EJ has some time to learn from the sidelines and comes back next year more able to lead an offense. If EJ is too delicate to handle a setback like being benched early in his career, than quite frankly, we should know now, because he will never have the mental maturity to be a quality NFL QB. Remember, Orton had a decent rookie year where he started 15 games, only to be benched in year 2. He is still playing and working. We should expect no less from EJ. 3) Orton is the exact same as EJ. In which case this season is over. Orton plays a few games until we are essentially out of the running, and then EJ comes back in to develop more. Hopefully, the experience helps him and we have our QB of the future. 4) Orton is the worst QB since B.J Hobert. in which case the season is over and EJ will come back in to develop later in the season. We then see EJ is still bad and not developing which means we are no better off than we are right now from the QB position. At least in this case you showed your veteran team that you were not sacrificing the season on the alter of letting EJ "develop" and you did everything you could right now to win. It does not matter if you like EJ or not, EJ was loosing this team, especially the receivers. if they did not change, there would have been a mutiny eventually. So at the end of the day, I do not think anyone can argue that the Bills just improved the talent level at the QB position (right now) and the team should be better (right now) because of it. If we are not, then it does not really matter anyway, because EJ will have plenty of time to develop more when the games do not count in November. Like EJ, dont like EJ - hard to argue this team was going nowhere fast this season with him behind center. Agreed with every word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Cain Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 OP, is 35-35 a good enough track record? Umm kay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's Tailor Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 OP, is 35-35 a good enough track record? Umm kay. Beats the alternative, namely 6-8 from a regressing project qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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