The Dougs' Accountability Thread

[BillsVet]

I would say it started with Donahoe, choosing Johnson over Flutie, reaching for JP while kicking Bledsoe to the curb. But I could be wrong.

 

I'd agree.

 

Over the 14 year playoff drought, I'd say there have been 3 eras (after Butler in 2000): Donahoe (2001-05), Levy/Brandon (2006-09), and Nix/Whaley (2010-present). If they get 1 QB in that timeframe this drought doesn't happen.

[TXBILLSFAN]

Pegula will put a couple key people in the organization asap (he's already said Kim will work alongside Brandon). These folks will help him complete his evaluation of the organization and what changes he'll make after the season.

 

I'd be shocked if any of the top guys were fired before January and equally shocked if none of them were fired in January.

 

 

[Dan]

Pegula will put a couple key people in the organization asap (he's already said Kim will work alongside Brandon). These folks will help him complete his evaluation of the organization and what changes he'll make after the season.

 

I'd be shocked if any of the top guys were fired before January and equally shocked if none of them were fired in January.

Yep, there's absolutely no reason to make the changes mid-season. There are very few top candidates available because they all already have jobs. And, I agree, it'll give him time to see what changes should be made.

 

That's why this season is so critical to this team... from the FO to the Coaches to EJ and on down, everyone is essentially interviewing for their job with their performance this year.

 

For the coaches and players, it's pretty simple... win. If they do that, most of them stand a good chance of staying and probably will. Who stays and who goes very likely depends on Marrone - whether he stays or how strong his convictions are, if they ask him to replace an assistant coach. But, if this team turns ir around and wins 10 games and looks prepared and focused each week, Marrone almost certainly buys himself a couple more years. Anything less, and it's a toss up.

 

For the FO, it's a bit more nuanced. Sure winning is important, but personalities and trust are a big part of it. Does Russ stay? Whaley? You gotta think the money guy and his staff are out. So, I see some changes but necessarily a wholesale turn over of the FO. And ultimately, I think that comes down to someone that Pegula trusts (his wife) working with Brandon and company and making those determinations along the way.

 

At least that's how I see it.

[3rdand12]

Whaley .

Is no fool. He " appears" to have some mistakes already .

To decide the Nix influence and when it essentially lost its sails is a fools errand.

Safe to say this past draft is his . and the current set of players is his .

I am keeping him for at least two years ( end of next season ) . I suggest our benefactor do the same .

The rest of the staff is playing for their jobs. But they always are.

Edited September 27, 2014 by 3rdand12

[A Dog Named Kelso]

I'd agree.

 

Over the 14 year playoff drought, I'd say there have been 3 eras (after Butler in 2000): Donahoe (2001-05), Levy/Brandon (2006-09), and Nix/Whaley (2010-present). If they get 1 QB in that timeframe this drought doesn't happen.

 

I would say that the Nix era may have been worked(obtained a winning record) with Gailey had it not been for the horrid defenses. That required Fitz to play a game he wasn't equipped to play.

 

Basically, meaning that QB was no the reason for failure during that stint.

Edited September 28, 2014 by A Dog Named Kelso

[BillsVet]

I would say that the Nix era may have been worked(obtained a winning record) with Gailey had it not been for the horrid defenses. That required Fitz to play a game he wasn't equipped to play.

 

Basically, meaning that QB was no the reason for failure during that stint.

 

And Buddy was responsible for switching the defense from a 4-3 coming off 2009 to a 3-4 in 2010, then back to a 4-3 in 2012. In many ways the defense was a self-inflicted thing, despite the fact they drafted heavily on that side of the ball from 2010-2012.

 

Nix also signed off on the DC hires, especially Wannstedt, who he had to have known would want to go back to a 4-3.

 

There were so many errors made during the Nix/Whaley years it's not even funny. And people wonder how the team managed to win 22 games in 4 years.

[thewildrabbit]

New ownership has got to be 1.4 billion times better, and for many, many, many reasons.

 

I expect full accountability from everyone on the coaching staff, and front office. Not to mention clarity like we have never seen. This new owner won't keep drafting RB's, DB's with the first pick every other year, and ignoring the QB position with the first draft pick for 20 years.

[A Dog Named Kelso]

And Buddy was responsible for switching the defense from a 4-3 coming off 2009 to a 3-4 in 2010, then back to a 4-3 in 2012. In many ways the defense was a self-inflicted thing, despite the fact they drafted heavily on that side of the ball from 2010-2012.

 

Nix also signed off on the DC hires, especially Wannstedt, who he had to have known would want to go back to a 4-3.

 

There were so many errors made during the Nix/Whaley years it's not even funny. And people wonder how the team managed to win 22 games in 4 years.

I do not disagree that it was mismanaged just that I do not believe that the QB position was the major reason for the losing records during Chan's time as head coach, which was the post I responding to.

[A Dog Named Kelso]

So watching the game today and thinking about how the coaching staff is handling EJ I thought what would it be like if EJ learned to scramble and play fearlessly behind Fitz. He might have learned a lot about the mental side too. I am still shocked that they dropped Fitz in favor of Kolb.

[GG]

I am still shocked that they dropped Fitz in favor of Kolb.

 

Hence the thread. The Dougs' handling of the QB position over the last two seasons has been pretty bad.

[bowery4]

Can't hide behind Nix, because Nix needed advice of his pro personnel director on who would replace Fitz if they were to cut him. That was Whaley. Don't forget the Bills signed Jackson in the spring and then decided he wasn't worthy of a training camp invite. This is the same scouting team that reportedly made a strong run at Freeman. This is the administration that thought it was a good plan to draft a raw QB to be coached by a very green OC with zero QB coaching help.

 

So yeah, I can still step away from the canvas and puke up a Jackson Pollock worthy masterpiece.

You are clueless about art, of that I am sure.

[GG]

You are clueless about art, of that I am sure.

 

No, I think this picture encapsulates EJ's play in the last two weeks

 

Edited September 29, 2014 by GG

[papazoid]

#1- QB situation - stayed ALL-IN with EJ, Thad & Tuel. brought in Orton so late missed all of camp and preseason.

 

this alone will doom the both of them.

 

#2- Traded away next years #1 draft pick. mortgaged the future.

 

#3- Traded away Stevie Johnson yet carry $10 million in salary cap DEAD MONEY.

 

#4- replaced the 70th ranked LG with the 65th ranked LG.

 

#5- stood pat at TE by resigning a mediocre receiving TE Chandler who can't block.

 

#6- got totally played by Jairus Byrd's agent. lost your ALL-Pro player for nothing in return.

 

#7- questionable 2nd round 2014 pick.

 

#8- Coaching - team undisciplined as evidenced by penalties.

 

#9- Coaching - clock and timeout mismanagement.

 

#10- Coaching - OL can't pick up stunts.

 

the two dougs are GONE after the season. Russ survives for one more year then Kim takes over.

 

 

 

 

[A Dog Named Kelso]

#1- QB situation - stayed ALL-IN with EJ, Thad & Tuel. brought in Orton so late missed all of camp and preseason.

 

this alone will doom the both of them.

 

#2- Traded away next years #1 draft pick. mortgaged the future.

 

#3- Traded away Stevie Johnson yet carry $10 million in salary cap DEAD MONEY.

 

#4- replaced the 70th ranked LG with the 65th ranked LG.

 

#5- stood pat at TE by resigning a mediocre receiving TE Chandler who can't block.

 

#6- got totally played by Jairus Byrd's agent. lost your ALL-Pro player for nothing in return.

 

#7- questionable 2nd round 2014 pick.

 

#8- Coaching - team undisciplined as evidenced by penalties.

 

#9- Coaching - clock and timeout mismanagement.

 

#10- Coaching - OL can't pick up stunts.

 

the two dougs are GONE after the season. Russ survives for one more year then Kim takes over.

 

I don't disagree with the premise but if Orton didn't want to attend camp they can not make him sign sooner.

[Dorkington]

#1- QB situation - stayed ALL-IN with EJ, Thad & Tuel. brought in Orton so late missed all of camp and preseason.

 

this alone will doom the both of them.

 

#2- Traded away next years #1 draft pick. mortgaged the future.

 

#3- Traded away Stevie Johnson yet carry $10 million in salary cap DEAD MONEY.

 

#4- replaced the 70th ranked LG with the 65th ranked LG.

 

#5- stood pat at TE by resigning a mediocre receiving TE Chandler who can't block.

 

#6- got totally played by Jairus Byrd's agent. lost your ALL-Pro player for nothing in return.

 

#7- questionable 2nd round 2014 pick.

 

#8- Coaching - team undisciplined as evidenced by penalties.

 

#9- Coaching - clock and timeout mismanagement.

 

#10- Coaching - OL can't pick up stunts.

 

the two dougs are GONE after the season. Russ survives for one more year then Kim takes over.

 

Can't disagree with any of this.

 

Which is a shame, because our defense is damned good, we have good talent at WR and RB, the rest of our OL outside the Gs looks stout... it's really just been the QB, G and TE situation that we've completely fumbled. The Dougs should be fired if we don't finish with a winning record.

[GG]

Let's bump this up. And not just because they lost, but how they lost. This team was wholly unprepared and undisciplined, again.

[26CornerBlitz]

[Kelly the Dog]

Let's bump this up. And not just because they lost, but how they lost. This team was wholly unprepared and undisciplined, again.

I really don't think the team was unprepared. We didn't start out well, but our defense outside of our #3 safety was solid for well into the third quarter. A lot of the undisciplined stuff was bull **** IMO. We lost because in the fourth quarter Brady made a bunch of plays and we made a bunch of mistakes.

 

That said, we have four winnable games in the next five weeks and a bye. If we are a contender we win 3 of 4 and are 6-4. We just are not as good as the Patriots when Brady and Gronk are on.

Edited October 13, 2014 by Kelly the Dog

[PromoTheRobot]

The five stages of Bills grief:

 

1) rage at losing

2) find those to blame

3) post about players/coaches/gm's who you'd like to see

4) all-22 film shows reason for hope

5) getting psyched for next game

[GG]

300 yards in second half is a lot more than simply saying that they were in it until the fourth quarter. One team showed up in the second half, the other didn't.