26CornerBlitz Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Mayweather: NFL Should Have Stuck With Original 2-Game Suspension Of Rice, Overly Influenced By New Video Floyd Mayweather Jr. says he believes the NFL should have stuck with its original discipline of Ray Rice, saying the league was overly influenced by new video showing Rice knocking out his then-fiancee in an Atlantic City casino elevator. The boxing superstar — who has had his own domestic abuse issues — said Tuesday he didn’t feel the original two-game suspension should be changed because of video. “I think there’s a lot worse things that go on in other people’s households, also,” Mayweather said. “It’s just not caught on video, if that’s safe to say.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Mayweather: NFL Should Have Stuck With Original 2-Game Suspension Of Rice, Overly Influenced By New Video while probably true that as bad or worse happens in a lot of public figures homes - certainly doesnt make it right to say, and or mean that its ok that it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Mayweather: NFL Should Have Stuck With Original 2-Game Suspension Of Rice, Overly Influenced By New Video wow. that's the issue distilled down to it's essnce. he and many like him just don't see what all the fuss is about. to change that, you start with high profile celebrities and eventually the word is out that this is not acceptable and won't be tolerated anywhere in society. we're a long way from there right now, it appears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) The NFL Personal Conduct Policy, for starters. That's the price of admission for being an NFL player. Not only are you subject to the law like the rest of us, but you're also subject to the NFL's policies. Those policies in this case were initially applied in a ridiculous manner, which was not really Rice's fault. The League so badly mismanaged that, that it's now spinning wildly to right the ship and for some of the execs involved, like Goodell, to save themselves.... If you're not going to answer my question please don't respond to my post. I asked why it's the NFL's responsibility to punish bad behavior and who they owed that duty to. You responded by telling me they have a right and mismanaged the execution of said right. That's not remotely close to addressing the questions I posed. Edited September 10, 2014 by Rob's House Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I have worked in the intimate partner violence arena for years and there is a very legitimate reason for people to care about this "stuff," and this case in particular, for a number of reasons: 1) You need only to observe the public reaction to the video, as opposed to the initial reports, to get a small glimpse into one of the major problems in dealing with domestic violence. For those who have never been around DV or DV victims, there is a tremendous difference in hearing about it as opposed to actually seeing it. This is a case where the nation got to observe what it actually looks like (and believe me, as sickening as that was - there are women in this country who endure far worse). For the first time, many people saw the reality of the violence. 2) You are right, this is not about football. However, Goodell had a chance to bring the NFL to the forefront of this issue - to seize the opportunity of setting a policy in place to deal with offenders in a way consistent with what we now understand about intimate partner violence. You may not believe that the NFL should get involved in social issues; however, they are inherently intertwined, and sometimes a stance needs to be taken regarding issues that are bigger than a game. Unlike the rest of the peanut gallery I don't much care for the conclusion of this post. You're essentially saying that the NFL should take a dual role between being a football league and also a political action group that must engineer broad social policy and enforce perceived opinions of morality. This is as short-sighted as Goodell's silly little drug suspension policy. There is no defining line that separates this from any other perceived misdeed. So you're essentially calling for the league to be these guy's school master. But why? What this really comes down to is you're upset because you see an injustice and you want the NFL yo punish him to satisfy your sense of justice. That's the gist of all of this. The problem is that you've not explained why penalizing domestic violence should be the responsibility of the NFL. I never told his wife what to think and me saying “I’m sure there are very many woman…” isn’t close to speaking for “all woman”. I think your being upset about the double jeopardy suspension of Ray Rice is completely missing boat on the bigger issue. As a man, I’m upset at the legal system and Goodell going easy on Rice. That sent out the wrong signal to men who beat woman. Earlier in this thread, I even said that Goodell should be fired right after the 2 game suspension came down. It’s shameful and I still think he’s lost all credibility to remain in charge. I’m amazed that he put the NFL’s reputation and his job on the line for Ray Rice like that. It’s crazy and I think Goodell is clueless. So it's Goodell's job to send a message to men who beat women? Really? wow. that's the issue distilled down to it's essnce. he and many like him just don't see what all the fuss is about. to change that, you start with high profile celebrities and eventually the word is out that this is not acceptable and won't be tolerated anywhere in society. we're a long way from there right now, it appears. Are you suggesting our society is currently tolerant of domestic violence? Is that based on anything other than a feeling of moral superiority that wells up in your chest when you say that? [bNFL is despicable.[/b] What did Goodell think "knocked out his girlfriend" would look like? Only when the vid came out and it was clear the league was about to be in a s***tstorm did they act. Why are they married and together? Who can know. You can have abuse and forgiveness just like you can have cheating and forgiveness. Doesn't make either one right but both are possible. I know nothing about their situation besides that he spit on her and then moments later knocked her out. Clearly he was in the wrong but who knows what their relationship is like outside of that single glimpse. Maybe it was a single event and they are in deep and effective therapy. If someone saw my wife and I in our worst fights, you'd advise both of us to divorce immediately. But we are together 25 years and love each other dearly. Relationships can be hard. Why do you say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Unlike the rest of the peanut gallery I don't much care for the conclusion of this post. You're essentially saying that the NFL should take a dual role between being a football league and also a political action group that must engineer broad social policy and enforce perceived opinions of morality. This is as short-sighted as Goodell's silly little drug suspension policy. There is no defining line that separates this from any other perceived misdeed. So you're essentially calling for the league to be these guy's school master. But why? What this really comes down to is you're upset because you see an injustice and you want the NFL yo punish him to satisfy your sense of justice. That's the gist of all of this. The problem is that you've not explained why penalizing domestic violence should be the responsibility of the NFL. So it's Goodell's job to send a message to men who beat women? Really? Are you suggesting our society is currently tolerant of domestic violence? Is that based on anything other than a feeling of moral superiority that wells up in your chest when you say that? Why do you say? Don't you remember Goodell sending a message that dogfighting wouldn't be accepted during the Vick case? Oh wait, that was the legal system that did that. Right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) If you're not going to answer my question please don't respond to my post. I asked why it's the NFL's responsibility to punish bad behavior and who they owed that duty to. You responded by telling me they have a right and mismanaged the execution of said right. That's not remotely close to addressing the questions I posed. because they have a huge stake in regards to money. Why is that the most difficult thing to comprehend that you have to be here wallowing around and repeating your same question pretending no one can answer it. I don't know how you even find your way a computer to ask this question everyday when you can't answer simple questions in life like that. "Uhhhhh why does the nfl care about people hurting their image to consumers.....uhhhhhhhhh....shouldnt the team owners police their own players even though that would be the most biased way possible.......uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" Edited September 10, 2014 by Crayola64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 because they have a huge stake in regards to money. Why is that the most difficult thing to comprehend that you have to be here wallowing around and repeating your same question pretending no one can answer it. I don't know how you even find your way a computer to ask this question everyday when you can't answer simple questions in life like that. "Uhhhhh why does the nfl care about people hurting their image to consumers.....uhhhhhhhhh....shouldnt the team owners police their own players even though that would be the most biased way possible.......uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" You're still out of your element. I pose the same questions until someone answers them. You don't even understand the discussion well enough to take a meaningful part in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 @Deadspin VIDEO: Stephen A. Smith melts down over NOW's call for Roger Goodell to resign. http://deadsp.in/VLuSOIG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) how strong of a financial hit do you estimate the league took on this topic so far? When you start having the government, political rights organizations, media, and the fans calling you out. It is not good for your image and you image is related to financial stakes. Would you disagree? You don't think the NFL should be concerned with the criminal conduct of its players? Edited September 10, 2014 by Crayola64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 When you start having the government, political right organizations, media, and the fans calling you out. It is not good for your image and you image is related to financial stakes. Would you disagree? no but im generally curious how strong of a financial hit people think this was, or would have been had they not "made the statement" if this is a financial decision, and not a moral one - i think its a legit question to ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 @Deadspin VIDEO: Stephen A. Smith melts down over NOW's call for Roger Goodell to resign. http://deadsp.in/VLuSOIG He's right. Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 You don't think the NFL should be concerned with the criminal conduct of its players? ive been a bit back and forth on the issue through the years. i think they should have the right given that conduct can effect finances and they are a business. and anything that may effect on field balance for sure. but i also know that the nfl struggles immensely with defining what their end goals are with their punishments - and it causes a lot of inconsistency, and probably a lack of justice within their decisions. i agree with the sentiments that the anger should go far further towards to DA in a legal case that has been underpunished. but im not at a spot where i have time to write extensively here so be gentle on my cliffnotes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 So it's Goodell's job to send a message to men who beat women? Really? When an NFL player is caught knocking out a woman then it's not only the commissioner’s job, but also his moral obligation to get to the bottom of it and administer proper punishment. He failed. Both the legal system and the NFL sent out the message that it’s not a big deal. Only in the face of the video coming to light did he find proper perspective. I find it outrageous that people are being sympathetic to Goodell. As if he did all he could do. As if this wouldn’t have taken a completely different course if it was his daughter who took a knockout blow by an NFL player she was dating and it was caught on tape. Goodell's a joke and TMZ's Harvey Levin called him out today in a way that Goodell can no longer plausibly defend himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 When an NFL player is caught knocking out a woman then it's not only the commissioner’s job, but also his moral obligation to get to the bottom of it and administer proper punishment. He failed. Both the legal system and the NFL sent out the message that it’s not a big deal. Only in the face of the video coming to light did he find proper perspective. I find it outrageous that people are being sympathetic to Goodell. As if he did all he could do. As if this wouldn’t have taken a completely different course if it was his daughter who took a knockout blow by an NFL player she was dating and it was caught on tape. Goodell's a joke and TMZ's Harvey Levin called him out today in a way that Goodell can no longer plausibly defend himself. Ah yes, TMZ, that bastion of justice and morality. Goodell messed up. So what? Fire him? He should resign? I hope Goodell double birds all of you. I'd have more respect for him than ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 @Deadspin VIDEO: Stephen A. Smith melts down over NOW's call for Roger Goodell to resign. http://deadsp.in/VLuSOIG Absolutely love Stephen Smith's passionate take on the whole thing. Makes sense to me. People who want Goodell fired over this are being ridiculous. Goodell didn't smack the chick. Gimme a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) When an NFL player is caught knocking out a woman then it's not only the commissioner’s job, but also his moral obligation to get to the bottom of it and administer proper punishment. He failed. Both the legal system and the NFL sent out the message that it’s not a big deal. Only in the face of the video coming to light did he find proper perspective. I find it outrageous that people are being sympathetic to Goodell. As if he did all he could do. As if this wouldn’t have taken a completely different course if it was his daughter who took a knockout blow by an NFL player she was dating and it was caught on tape. Goodell's a joke and TMZ's Harvey Levin called him out today in a way that Goodell can no longer plausibly defend himself. His moral obligation? How is it Goodell's moral obligation and to who does he owe this obligation? Edit: I notice you glossed over the part about sending a message. Edited September 10, 2014 by Rob's House Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 His moral obligation? How is it Goodell's moral obligation and to who does he owe this obligation? Edit: I notice you glossed over the part about sending a message. This is all thinly veiled, "someone must PAY," mob mentality. Social media warriors are trying to pat themselves on the back when they say "there's no excuse to hit a woman," like anyone with a fully functional brain didn't know that. Rice isn't the first and won't be the last athlete charged with domestic abuse. This isn't about helping the victims, or justice. The mob got their pound of flesh and they are hungering for more. It's so stupid I can't even stand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 We don't need to think about issues. Just call for everyone's head. Rice, Harbaugh, Bisciotti, Goodell should all be fired and made to run the gauntlet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 This is all thinly veiled, "someone must PAY," mob mentality. Social media warriors are trying to pat themselves on the back when they say "there's no excuse to hit a woman," like anyone with a fully functional brain didn't know that. Rice isn't the first and won't be the last athlete charged with domestic abuse. This isn't about helping the victims, or justice. The mob got their pound of flesh and they are hungering for more. It's so stupid I can't even stand it. Notice how not one of the moral crusaders can answer the very simple questions I asked. Not one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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