....lybob Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Overall I'd give the Bills a B so far. The spikes signing put me over the top, from disappointment to being pretty happy with what we've accomplished. Without Spikes I would've said C-. The Williams deal really bothers me though with what we paid him. Well I've finally heard a football guy say nice things about Chris Williams ( a Chicago Scout on John Murphy) so that's something - before that it it seemed universally the word disappointing was used- I'll admit I've never focused on Chris Williams performance so my opinion was formed solely on things I've read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted March 17, 2014 Author Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) Overall I'd give the Bills a B so far. The spikes signing put me over the top, from disappointment to being pretty happy with what we've accomplished. Without Spikes I would've said C-. The Williams deal really bothers me though with what we paid him. 2014 - Chris Williams - 1.435 not Guaranteed 2015 - Chris Williams - 1.875 not Guaranteed 2016 - Chris Williams - 2.45 not Guaranteed 2017 - Chris Williams - 2.5 not Guaranteed 3.5M Signing Bonus - Guaranteed. http://espn.go.com/b...lliams-contract This is not a significant financial commitment. If he is cut after the 2014 season he would cost less than 3M in Dead Money. If he is cut after the 2015 season he would cost less than 2M in Dead Money. I don't understand how this contract gets people's panties in a bunch. Edited March 17, 2014 by Why So Serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I give them a solid B, maybe B+. Spikes helps; Graham, Rivers and Dixon will play significant roles. There seems to be some dispute about C.Williams. I think the team deserves the benefit of the doubt on this one, until otherwise proven wrong. If he is solid, it becomes a B+. Resigning Chandler and Carpenter are no-brainers at the right price. Especially Chandler, you need 2 TEs in this offense. I wouldn't rule out drafting another one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I give them a solid B, maybe B+. Spikes helps; Graham, Rivers and Dixon will play significant roles. There seems to be some dispute about C.Williams. I think the team deserves the benefit of the doubt on this one, until otherwise proven wrong. If he is solid, it becomes a B+. Resigning Chandler and Carpenter are no-brainers at the right price. Especially Chandler, you need 2 TEs in this offense. I wouldn't rule out drafting another one. The only proven impact starter that we've signed is Spikes. That's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iraq Vet Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Start signing our young guys with one year left to long term deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) The only proven impact starter that we've signed is Spikes. That's it. Well, I suppose it depends on how you define "impact starter" because those two words can be separately evaluated...for example, was Jerry Hughes an "impact" player?? Not many would think he wasn't, in that he performed and had an impact as requested...but he wasn't a "starter" per se...look at Branch, he wasn't a "starter" either, but he played himself right into a new contract and rightfully so....Lawson was a starter and also played well, but was he an "impact starter", I suppose that's a subjective opinion...personally, I really, really like what the BILLS have done...one could also argue, the most "impact starter" the BILLS have gotten back into the fold, was Carpenter - given his success and how many games for the BILLS were decided by just a few points....to that end, I think people get too hung up on PFF stats when evaluating a player...should they be taken into consideration? In my mind, yes - but NOT to the point that it overrides your own personal insight and evaluation...and if Williams was one of the first guys on the plane to Buffalo in a blizzard, I'd say the BILLS got exactly who they wanted and given their recent success in finding and mining good talent to play a role on this team, I'll sit back and trust Whaley on this one.... Edited March 17, 2014 by BigBuff423 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) The only proven impact starter that we've signed is Spikes. That's it. We had none last year, but Hughes, Lawson, Branch, Lewis, Robey, and Carpenter worked out pretty good.Such negativity on these boards.Woe is me. Edited March 17, 2014 by LOVEMESOMEBILLS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Start signing our young guys with one year left to long term deals. they are doing this now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazed and Amuzed Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Start signing our young guys with one year left to long term deals. Like Stevie, Kyle Williams, Aaron Williams, Leodis, Wood, Fred Jackson or Alan branch? Or were you just talking about Byrd and Levitre? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Well I've finally heard a football guy say nice things about Chris Williams ( a Chicago Scout on John Murphy) so that's something - before that it it seemed universally the word disappointing was used- I'll admit I've never focused on Chris Williams performance so my opinion was formed solely on things I've read. Bill Polian gave him a good grade, and I trust him over many others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronc24 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 2014 - Chris Williams - 1.435 not Guaranteed 2015 - Chris Williams - 1.875 not Guaranteed 2016 - Chris Williams - 2.45 not Guaranteed 2017 - Chris Williams - 2.5 not Guaranteed 3.5M Signing Bonus - Guaranteed. http://espn.go.com/b...lliams-contract This is not a significant financial commitment. If he is cut after the 2014 season he would cost less than 3M in Dead Money. If he is cut after the 2015 season he would cost less than 2M in Dead Money. I don't understand how this contract gets people's panties in a bunch. I agree. It's not like he got Walker / Dockery money. From a lot of the posts here you'd think the Chris Williams signing put us in serious cap trouble. I do have one serious question....is he an upgrade over last year at guard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) I agree. It's not like he got Walker / Dockery money. From a lot of the posts here you'd think the Chris Williams signing put us in serious cap trouble. I do have one serious question....is he an upgrade over last year at guard? Chris Williams was released by Chicago and was the worst OL on the Rams' line. You think our LG position was bad last year? Legursky/Brown had the following combined stats: 3 sacks 11 QB hits 31 QB hurries Last year Williams had: 5 sacks 8 QB hits 28 QB hurries Now, if we all agree that LG was an abomination last year, how in the world can we say Williams is an upgrade when his numbers last season were just as bad? I would rather keep the crap we have at LG and draft a Guard in the first 3 rounds and save the 5.5 million. Edited March 17, 2014 by bobobonators Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronc24 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Chris Williams was released by Chicago and was the worst OL on the Rams' line. You think our LG position was bad last year? Legursky/Brown had the following combined stats: 3 sacks 11 QB hits 31 QB hurries Last year Williams had: 5 sacks 8 QB hits 28 QB hurries Now, if we all agree that LG was an abomination last year, how in the world can we say Williams is an upgrade when his numbers last season were just as bad? I would rather keep the crap we have at LG and draft a Guard in the first 3 rounds and save the 5.5 million. I get that. But what about the system he played in? I admit I don't know enough about him but, like I said, I'd rather see how this all plays out before I pass judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Chris Williams was released by Chicago and was the worst OL on the Rams' line. You think our LG position was bad last year? Legursky/Brown had the following combined stats: 3 sacks 11 QB hits 31 QB hurries Last year Williams had: 5 sacks 8 QB hits 28 QB hurries Now, if we all agree that LG was an abomination last year, how in the world can we say Williams is an upgrade when his numbers last season were just as bad? I would rather keep the crap we have at LG and draft a Guard in the first 3 rounds and save the 5.5 million. Let me guess, numbers pulled out of Sam Monson's ass over at PFF? He wouldn't know context if it bit him in the ass. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I get that. But what about the system he played in? I admit I don't know enough about him but, like I said, I'd rather see how this all plays out before I pass judgement. He was drafted in 2008 and has played with two HC's and 4 offensive coordinators - it's not about being in a specific system at this point, it's about not being good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) Let me guess, numbers pulled out of Sam Monson's ass over at PFF? He wouldn't know context if it bit him in the ass. GO BILLS!!! PFF it was; take it for what it's worth - a point of reference. Edited March 17, 2014 by bobobonators Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 PFF it was; take it for what it's worth - a point of reference. I had a hunch. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Chris Williams was released by Chicago and was the worst OL on the Rams' line. You think our LG position was bad last year? Legursky/Brown had the following combined stats: 3 sacks 11 QB hits 31 QB hurries Last year Williams had: 5 sacks 8 QB hits 28 QB hurries Now, if we all agree that LG was an abomination last year, how in the world can we say Williams is an upgrade when his numbers last season were just as bad? I would rather keep the crap we have at LG and draft a Guard in the first 3 rounds and save the 5.5 million. I had a hunch. GO BILLS!!! For those interested, I started a thread (shameless plug I suppose) to open the floor to clarity regarding the team's OL...please pay a visit if you so choose and provide commentary as you desire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Fan of St Augustine Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Chris Williams was released by Chicago and was the worst OL on the Rams' line. You think our LG position was bad last year? Legursky/Brown had the following combined stats: 3 sacks 11 QB hits 31 QB hurries Last year Williams had: 5 sacks 8 QB hits 28 QB hurries Now, if we all agree that LG was an abomination last year, how in the world can we say Williams is an upgrade when his numbers last season were just as bad? I would rather keep the crap we have at LG and draft a Guard in the first 3 rounds and save the 5.5 million. I suppose because he can reportedly run block. Pass stats are similar, but our C and LT are better than the Rams and will help him a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) Start signing our young guys with one year left to long term deals. Yes......we dont do that at all......(where is the palmface emoticon) The only proven impact starter that we've signed is Spikes. That's it. Perhaps they felt they have a lot of talent on the team already (which they do) and were trying to fill veteran depth? It was sorely needed on this team. People seem to forget.....biulding through free agency simply does not work...for a team to be successful they need to biuld through the draft and supplement through free agency. Edited March 17, 2014 by John from Hemet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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