FireChan Posted February 4, 2014 Author Share Posted February 4, 2014 I agree with this. My argument is, just as WEO states, that the OP suggests the officiating in the Superbowl was inconsistent with the regular season. I am stating, maybe too emphatically, that it was not. Seattle played the exact brand of football they played all year. As for being "jacked" and in the right place at the right time, they do have these people called coaches and when you give a great defensive team two weeks to prepare against a great offensive team, I strongly believe the defense will win almost every, if not every time. Seattle's defensive line dominated Denver's offensive line and executed the game plan perfectly, allowing them to drop 7 into coverage most of the night, get Manning off his spots and disrupting his timing throughout the game. Brilliantly coached and brilliantly executed. I will also add that John Fox severely dropped the ball by not practicing with loud speakers because "Superbowl crowds are quieter". That crowd sounded as loud as any Superbowl game I have heard and when you aren't prepared for it because you failed to prepare for it, the advantage goes to the defense in a big way. So your counter argument is that the refs "call the dogs off" when Seattle plays? That's still inconsistency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) So your counter argument is that the refs "call the dogs off" when Seattle plays? That's still inconsistency. I notice that the refs have no compunction on calling defensive holding on Stefon Gilmore. And I agree that Seattle always plays like they did Sunday and get only a few holding calls. Getting a holding call or PI call per game is just the cost of doing business for them. Edited February 4, 2014 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I agree with this. My argument is, just as WEO states, that the OP suggests the officiating in the Superbowl was inconsistent with the regular season. I am stating, maybe too emphatically, that it was not. Seattle played the exact brand of football they played all year. As for being "jacked" and in the right place at the right time, they do have these people called coaches and when you give a great defensive team two weeks to prepare against a great offensive team, I strongly believe the defense will win almost every, if not every time. Seattle's defensive line dominated Denver's offensive line and executed the game plan perfectly, allowing them to drop 7 into coverage most of the night, get Manning off his spots and disrupting his timing throughout the game. Brilliantly coached and brilliantly executed. I will also add that John Fox severely dropped the ball by not practicing with loud speakers because "Superbowl crowds are quieter". That crowd sounded as loud as any Superbowl game I have heard and when you aren't prepared for it because you failed to prepare for it, the advantage goes to the defense in a big way. check, check and double check. it's not my place to suggest what the OP's original intent was, but I've felt that inconsistency from officials game to game has given some NFL games a very WWE feel. I know rationally that the fix is not in, I know rationally that no one is out to get me--but we don't love the game for rational reasons. but--based on where i am at this point as a fan---i get very pissed off when that let 'em play/don't let 'em play question comes up. call the frigging penalties. don't call b-s penalties, but don't call 'em sometimes and let 'em go others. i understand that officials make mistakes or don't see everything that we can see in super slow-mo, but some of the stuff is, in my opinion, unprofessional. i was pulling for denver, but agree seattle was the best team out there for 60 straight minutes. good point on john fox--denver looked unprepared pretty much across the board. that said--let's assume for a second that the penalty is called on the seattle defense when the receiver is intergfered with. At that point, it's early, denver has a first down and maybe theya re still in business. football is an emotional game, and when everything seems to being going against you, it's becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. anyway, misery loves company so i'm on my way to a sporting event where one of my friends will be, he's a denver fan, i get to bring that up.... so everybody wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I'm sorry you have a jaded point of view and the Seahawks' success has tainted your NFL experience. You say jaded......I say observant. I will also add that John Fox severely dropped the ball by not practicing with loud speakers because "Superbowl crowds are quieter". That crowd sounded as loud as any Superbowl game I have heard and when you aren't prepared for it because you failed to prepare for it, the advantage goes to the defense in a big way. The Broncos play 8 road games every year.......including one in KC which is arguably the loudest venue in the AFC. Was it louder than a usual SB? Yes. Did they need to prepare like they were going to Seattle? No. Criticize coaching much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 If you are arguing that ref incosistency has been par for the course all season long, you are disagreeing gwith the OP--who stated that the rules somehow changed for the SB only. "the refs should let them play. But this was such an insane difference from regular season football I couldn't even believe it." I am agreeing withop. In the superbowl there was a lot of downfield contact that was uncalled. It was a contrast to what I feel like I saw for the bulk of the season, then I cited a specific out of norm outlier game for buf where the impact of the contrast could be related to by a bills fan. Look at highlights from the Super Bowl again. There were numerous play where Seattle was there before the ball. On the lone broncos TD a guy was already tackling DT before the ball got there. If the whole season was called that way, the broncs wouldn't be in the Super Bowl. I am fine with that brand of football. But it's gotta be all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronc24 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 You say jaded......I say observant. The Broncos play 8 road games every year.......including one in KC which is arguably the loudest venue in the AFC. Was it louder than a usual SB? Yes. Did they need to prepare like they were going to Seattle? No. Criticize coaching much? How many football games have you coached? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 (edited) How many football games have you coached? Come on man... Seattle is a highly physical team down the field, and it's discussed frequently. They also have an abnormally high rate of PED suspensions. Coach as much high school football as you want - it doesn't mean that its crazy to note both those things. Whether they have been getting too extreme with each is certainly a fair debate even if you disagree with (a large number of) other people saying that they do. Further, yea, this should've been approximately middle of the pack noise wise for the broncos this year. While it was a mistake to not be more ready for the noise, it's not like they have played in 8 louder games this year alone, and many of the players hundreds of them. Edited February 5, 2014 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 How many football games have you coached? I've never coached in the NFL either. You looking for a paying job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronc24 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Come on man... Seattle is a highly physical team down the field, and it's discussed frequently. They also have an abnormally high rate of PED suspensions. Coach as much high school football as you want - it doesn't mean that its crazy to note both those things. Whether they have been getting too extreme with each is certainly a fair debate even if you disagree with (a large number of) other people saying that they do. Further, yea, this should've been approximately middle of the pack noise wise for the broncos this year. While it was a mistake to not be more ready for the noise, it's not like they have played in 8 louder games this year alone, and many of the players hundreds of them. My point about coaching is the attention to detail. Carroll ran his last practice with a 31 minute break in the middle to simulate half time. His team was READY, and PED's or refs had nothing to do with that. The noise was a factor (see safety) and Denver was not able to properly communicate. That's part of being ill prepared and the Denver players themselves readily admit they were nowhere near prepared as Seattle. They've played tons of road games, no s***, but game plans, protections and line checks, along with the way they are communicated, change. If you practice these without noise because you think your QB will be heard and come game time he isn't, then that is a horrible job of preparing your team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Anybody post this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEp4r2q9tTA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 5, 2014 Author Share Posted February 5, 2014 Anybody post this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEp4r2q9tTA Some of that is going too far. But I do see the point. I don't believe the NFL actively wanted Seattle to win. I do think they get caught up in, "Seattle is just playing tough" and don't flag them as much as other teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John in Jax Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Just took the 15 mins. to watch the video....was very interesting. There's only 2 conclusions that can be proffered. That game was either 1) Fixed by the Refs, or 2) the Refs are incredibly incompetent. The fumble/takeaway at the goal line was the biggest one, in my mind. It's not like he was in a scrum, and you couldn't see what happened. It was as plain as can be, with a Side Judge looking right at it, yet it wasn't called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Anybody post this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEp4r2q9tTA Nice breakdown of the video: http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/detailed-look-49ers-seahawks-conspiracy-video?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ko12010 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 My point about coaching is the attention to detail. Carroll ran his last practice with a 31 minute break in the middle to simulate half time. His team was READY, and PED's or refs had nothing to do with that. The noise was a factor (see safety) and Denver was not able to properly communicate. That's part of being ill prepared and the Denver players themselves readily admit they were nowhere near prepared as Seattle. They've played tons of road games, no s***, but game plans, protections and line checks, along with the way they are communicated, change. If you practice these without noise because you think your QB will be heard and come game time he isn't, then that is a horrible job of preparing your team. Are there any sources for this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 It happens in the NHL even more between playoff hockey and regular season. The most egregious being "No Goal." It was called season, call it. I got no problem w/them changing the rules after the season. Looks like the NFL is doing the same. No way BFLO is allowed to do what SEA did in that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronc24 Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Are there any sources for this? http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000323440/article/wes-welker-we-didnt-prepare-very-well-for-crowd-noise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 (edited) http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000323440/article/wes-welker-we-didnt-prepare-very-well-for-crowd-noise Curse of Spygate? Welker fell to 0-3 in Super Bowls. LoL Teams will be thinking twice about picking up NE's* baggage! ;-) Edited February 6, 2014 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Its the super bowl the refs swallow the whistle and Denver should have known it. Jerome Bogar's crew wont be near the superbowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 (edited) Its the super bowl the refs swallow the whistle and Denver should have known it. That is the point that the OP is trying to make. What you said is simply unacceptable and not what the game should be like. "Swallow the whistle." Huh? Edited February 6, 2014 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Sounds like someone lost a bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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