Tiberius Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/05/business/15-wage-in-fast-food-stirs-debate-on-effects.html?src=recg The debate! How many of you think they make too much already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 All that's going to do is screw over the lower class that buy the fast food. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 http://www.nytimes.c...s.html?src=recg The debate! How many of you think they make too much already? count me as being one of them. None of those people should be making over $10/hr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 http://www.nytimes.c...s.html?src=recg The debate! How many of you think they make too much already? Higher expenses equals fewer jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 The only people debating the effects of a $15/hour minimum wage are the people who think they deserve it. The rest of the world knows what a ridiculously bad idea it would be. But carry on, Skippy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 (edited) The UNION sponsored fast food push for 15.00/an hour can be solved with two words. YOU’RE FIRED. This is a teachable moment for America and I sincerely hope that the owners of all the fast food franchises where employees walked out on strike last week take full advantage. Fire them all, every last one of them. There are hundreds of thousands of people in America right now who are desperate to find jobs of any kind. They understand that business have a responsibility to its customers to run a business in a sensible manner. Those who are calling for a doubling of the minimum wage do not, and deserve little sympathy. FAST FOOD STRIKES: Nick Gillespie: Big Labor’s Big Mac Attack. In what is probably the least inspired labor action since the great Detroit Symphony Orchestra Picket Line of 2011, groups such as the Service Employees International Union, Fast Food Forward, and Fight for 15 are calling for nation-wide wage strikes targeting McDonald’s, Burger King, Arby’s, and other latter-day Dickensian workhouses. On Thursday, protesters in over 100 cities will stand outside of fast-food joints and call for doubling the wages of burger flippers and fry-vat operators from $7.25 an hour (the current federal minimum) to at least $15. Regardless of how much solidarity or sympathy you might feel about the people who assemble your Triple Steak Stack or your Cheesy Gordita Crunch, this sort of demand is economic fantasy at its most delusional and counterproductive. Doubling the wages of low-skilled workers during a period of prolonged joblessness is a surefire way not just to swell the ranks of the reserve army of the unemployed but to increase automation at your local Taco Bell. . . . The push to hike fast-food wages is indicative not of a brutal new economy but of a labor movement that is not only disconnected from reality but also almost completely devoid of vision. I, for one, welcome our new robot burger-flippers. . . Edited December 9, 2013 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Higher expenses equals fewer jobs. there's a large pool of data that comes to a different conclusion: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/02/opinion/krugman-better-pay-now.html?_r=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 there's a large pool of data that comes to a different conclusion: http://www.nytimes.c...y-now.html?_r=0 Paul Krugman. The gatorman of NYT columnists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Paul Krugman. The gatorman of NYT columnists. talk to me after you've won the nobel prize for economics and land a job a princeton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Have those of you filled with "compassion" for these workers asked yourself why $15.00 was chosen by the Left instead of $9 or $10 ? Because if it is raised to $9 an hour or $10 an hour, the Republicans might agree to it. And that wont help the Democrats in 2014. This is a proposal that is designed to fail and this is why: What’s not clear, however, is whether mandating a higher wage will do anything to change that. Nearly 20 states have a higher minimum wage than the federal rate. That means that the federal law has little effect in wide swaths of the country. What’s more, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, only 5 percent of all workers are paid at or less than the current minimum wage. Thus, increasing it will make precious little difference in most people’s lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 (edited) Have those of you filled with "compassion" for these workers asked yourself why $15.00 was chosen by the Left instead of $9 or $10 ? Because if it is raised to $9 an hour or $10 an hour, the Republicans might agree to it. And that wont help the Democrats in 2014. This is a proposal that is designed to fail and this is why: or maybe they learned from they're much more successful masters: bargain down, not up. seriously, would you list your house at a low price hoping to negotiate more later? Edited December 9, 2013 by birdog1960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 or maybe they learned from they're much more successful masters: bargain down, not up. seriously, would you list your house at a low price hoping to negotiate more later? Your comparison is seriously flawed, but in either case, if someone asked for twice as much in hopes to get a smaller increase, I would realize that they do not know what they are really doing and do not have much leverage at all. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Clearly the little-trained monkeys need to be making six figures to flip burgers. It's only fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Clearly the little-trained monkeys need to be making six figures to flip burgers. It's only fair. the issue is that they aren't all low skill workers and there aremn't enough alternative jobs. fast food and walmart have taken the place of steel mills and factories. bicycle economy is coming on faster than we're peddling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keukasmallies Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 How many of the dudes picketing McDonald's ever even worked in a McD's, or any other fast food joint? Remember: The first word in the phrase minimum wage is MINIMUM. Minimum is a starting place, a beginning; acquire some experience, maybe do some networking, ask around, get restless, start looking for the next step up the ladder. Please don't make McD's wage structure look attractive and trap people in a dead-end job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 How many of the dudes picketing McDonald's ever even worked in a McD's, or any other fast food joint? Remember: The first word in the phrase minimum wage is MINIMUM. Minimum is a starting place, a beginning; acquire some experience, maybe do some networking, ask around, get restless, start looking for the next step up the ladder. Please don't make McD's wage structure look attractive and trap people in a dead-end job. so where are all these up the ladder jobs? they look attractive only when there's nothing else. without those jobs what's the unemployment rate right now? and before you answer that the jobs go away with an increased minimum wage, read krugman. they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 there's a large pool of data that comes to a different conclusion: http://www.nytimes.c...y-now.html?_r=0 What data? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 What data? adjacent states with higher minimum wage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 adjacent states with higher minimum wage There was no relevant data in that article. There was just Krugman's bloviating. And yes, I did click the links. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 There was no relevant data in that article. There was just Krugman's bloviating. And yes, I did click the links. there is plenty of data regarding the lack of effect on unemployment on states raising the min wage next to states that didn't. he alluded to that fact. it wasn't a scholarly paper but an editorial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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