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[BillsBytheBay]

Blow it up now, or sign Marrone long term. I can't take another three and out, from the team, or coaching staff.

 

 

7. Gilmore is not an elite DB. Gilmore Island is a mirage, upon closer inspection, it was a piece of driftwood....

Gilmore, unlike EJ has shown he is/can be a top corner. This has been a bad year for him. EJ showed a step back almost every game, and can't MOVE the ball till' gabage time. I can't believe how much time he had to throw Sunday.

[KDIGGZ]

 

So because Pettite isn't as 'good' as the best defensive coach in the NFL, he sucks? Good grief. The defense has been far better than anything we've seen in recent years. First, Pittsburgh is not a 'bad team'. They are a decent, veteran team that had a bad start to the year. People need to understand the difference. Second, they did not gouge the Bills. The D was on the field for >35 minutes because the offense scored 3 points until garbage time and punted 9 times, and yet the D only allowed 300 total yards in the game. Pittsburgh's primary ball carrier averaged 2.6 ypc yesterday. What more do you want?

 

I hope you're happy in two years when Pettine is coaching somewhere else and the Bills D again becomes as bad as the offense.

Right on. Fingers crossed someone doesn't grab Pettine this offseason for head coach. If Marrone and Hackett aren't hacking it this time next year I think we need to lock Pettine up as head coach and bring in someone who can actually call plays on the offensive side of things. Perhaps one of the head coaches that might get fired but are still good offensive coordinators.

[Webster Guy]

1. EJ isn't very accurate right now. Maybe he never will be, but we'll know after the season is over. Intangibles, leadership and character are great but if you don't throw with accuracy it's meaningless.

 

2. Pitt got pressure with 4 yesterday. It wasn't LeBeau trickery. You win everytime if you can bring heat w 4. Our o-line wasn't very stout.

 

3. I dont know that Rex is a "better" coach than Pettine and neither do you. Our D is not the problem, except maybe for Gilmore being very rusty and playing poorly.

 

4. Kelso has been pointing out for weeks that our WR's seem confused on routes. Easley in the redzone yest. TJ stepping in front of Chandler last week, Stevie inconsistent his whole career. Marrone needs to oversee Hackett's process and get this fixed in the bye week. He also needs to tell his QB's to STOP UNDERTHROWING THESE LITTLE WR's on the deep balls. Its ridiculous.

 

5. I think our screen play total this year is up to 12. Averaging 8 yards per play and keeping opponents d-line honest. Build on what Chan taught this team you egomaniacs.

 

[billsfan714]

So because Pettite isn't as 'good' as the best defensive coach in the NFL, he sucks? Good grief. The defense has been far better than anything we've seen in recent years. First, Pittsburgh is not a 'bad team'. They are a decent, veteran team that had a bad start to the year. People need to understand the difference. Second, they did not gouge the Bills. The D was on the field for >35 minutes because the offense scored 3 points until garbage time and punted 9 times, and yet the D only allowed 300 total yards in the game. Pittsburgh's primary ball carrier averaged 2.6 ypc yesterday. What more do you want?

 

I hope you're happy in two years when Pettine is coaching somewhere else and the Bills D again becomes as bad as the offense.

 

I know someone was going to take what I said that way. Im not saying Pettine sucks at all. Im just saying the passing yards/tds given up are a concern. Its why I singled out Hackett and the ST coach to be replaced, not Pettine. The Pettine criticism again was that the pass defense needs to improve.

[oman128]

All I want for Christmas is the Bills to cut TJ Graham, A new LG, A Real WR Stevie is just so-so, a DT that can stop the run.

[BuffaloBillsForever]

Right on. Fingers crossed someone doesn't grab Pettine this offseason for head coach. If Marrone and Hackett aren't hacking it this time next year I think we need to lock Pettine up as head coach and bring in someone who can actually call plays on the offensive side of things. Perhaps one of the head coaches that might get fired but are still good offensive coordinators.

 

That's what I am afraid of too. IMO he will make an excellent head coach someday.

[tennesseeboy]

^{No bones about it...EJ sucked yesterday. He didn't suck in earlier games and he is coming off an injury...but he did suck. He keeps that up and his career here will be short.Marrone sucked yesterday...he has to right this ship quickly and make sure there is not another game as bad as that one for the rest of the season.The team sucked yesterday....crappy penalties at the most costly of times...This was as lousy a football game as we have seen in a while....time for the whole team to shape up.By the way, I would also get Goodwin in more often and spend the season finding out who are the best number two receivers on the team. Let the Steeler game be a real wake up call.}

[CodeMonkey]

All I want for Christmas is the Bills to cut TJ Graham, A new LG, A Real WR Stevie is just so-so, a DT that can stop the run.

My concern with SJ13 is that he seems to have chronic groin and hamstring issues.

[All I Need is Hope]

At one point during the game, I think it was Gannon who commented that Troy P. said that "EJ waits for receivers to be open, vs. throwing them open". I'm not sure how correctable this is, but EJ is (we are) sunk if he can't throw receivers open in this league.

 

I think that recognition/reads, confidence, good mechanics come before being able to throw a receiver open; so I'm really down on EJ's ability to ever do this... this sucks.

 

There was one deep out/sideline pattern that Ben threw to Brown... it was beautiful. McKelvin was tightly covering Brown, but Ben put it on his outside/upfield shoulder.... I want a qb that can do this!

[Tu-Toned]

Original post was very good. I agree on the points especially with taking another QB and Hackett who i think is terrible. This year's offense is subpar. The option play is not working and there isn't enough productivity out of the skilled players. Gailey, in his defense, was a good offensive mind, just not a good coach. His offensive brought out the best of his players and was actually fun to watch. Not sure why everyone is so high on Woods? What has he done so far? Again, the coaches missed the boat. In this league, you meed a 6'3" plus monster in the mold of Dex Bryant, Megatron or AJ Green and these speedy small guys simply don't cut it. At best, Woods will be a Josh Reed who will have some productive games due to his route running but that is about it. I think they need to focus on a big time WR next year either in the draft or FA and select another QB in the high rounds to compete with EJ.

I think that you are being a little rough on Woods, he was a consensus best wr in the draft, although

I do agree that we could use another stud wr, Woods has performed admirably for a rookie.

[DefenseWinzChampionshipz]

Man the Bills got exposed today. Inept play and unimaginative, gutless coaching. This game raised more red flags than a tailgate in Tuscaloosa. Some things Im concerned about:

 

1. EJ was Blaine Gabbert brutal today, this against a Steeler team that is not great against the pass. He combined the inaccuracy of JP and the cant wait to check it down of Edwards. Footwork, reading a defense, touch, lack of the long ball, this wasnt progressing and growing. This was turning a turnover by Byrd into a FG and a garbage time TD. I dont know if you take a QB next year early, its a good topic to debate though. With the rookie salary cap, EJ is probably making about the same as Fitz is making per year as a backup in Tennessee so if you took another one its not like you're tied by the salary cap. If you can defend drafting RBs that are the best available player on your board when you have good talent there already, how can you not do the same for a QB? Would it hurt EJs confidence or does every position benefit from competition? Oh and to the people saying Wilson didnt do much if his first 6 or so games last year, guess what, now you get to compare Wilson's progression in the second half of last season to EJs. Hes going to have to pick it up, big time.

 

2. And now on to Hackett, son of Hackett. Color me unimpressed by the resume and results. 2003-4 offensive/coordinators assistant coach at Stanford. 2006-09 offensive quality control coach Bucs-Bills, what exactly does that guy do, get the Krispy Kremes and scout the other team? 2010-12, Qb and TE coach and offensive coordinator of the mighty orange men of the big least. But dont you know we scored at least 20 points in X amount of games? Interesting but if I count defensive touchdowns(which Nate has nothing to do with), the Jets giving up near all-time record penalty yards and the Panthers giving up a stupid pass interference penalty on a pass that was never going to be completed and subsequent TD , we wouldnt even be talking about this meaningless stat. One thing we dont talk about his how many teams havent scored 30 points---ONCE. How many teams havent had a 300 yard passer ONCE in 10 games in a pass happy league. In fact we have thrown for more than 250 yards---ONE time. And Nate had done this with one of the best 1-2-3 runningback stables in the league, rbs that can catch the ball, too. Chan did more with Stevie and the street FAs and got CJ to have a monster year. Chans screens and slants are a distant memory. If he cant figure out how to attack a 3-4 then maybe he should look for another line of work.

 

3. TJ Graham is a turd. Lets admit a mistake and move on, it happens. Goodwin has shown more in a short time with backup QBs than Graham has. Goodwin is the small fast guy, what we dont have is big and fast. Easley has been pretty good on STs which is fine for a 5th-6th wr. We made a mistake trading up for this never will be, Graham. His speed doesnt seem to hit the field and he plays small with no physicality. This guy produces street FA numbers, thats a fact.

 

4 Im not sure what decent(not great) games will prove against the likes of Jacksonville, Tampa and a Miami squad in turmoil. What does it say, that we not that bad? We're not worst in the league bad? Like we should wear that as a badge of honor? I dont think so. That's not progess its groundhog day status quo.

 

5. Pettine is better than Wanny but that like saying your kid is smarter than the dumbest kid in the class. We let a bad rushing team gouge us pretty good and for having a ton of high draft choices in the secondary and a lot invested in our front 4 we are among the worst in the league against the pass. Rex does more with less than Pettine. Pettine is better than Wanny but he sure as **** isnt as good as Rex.

 

6. Lasty if I'm Marrone, I realize I have a 3 season window. If people on my staff are not cutting it, then new people should be brought in. I wouldnt be loyal for loyalty sake, this the big leagues, you either produce or you dont, but Im not going down because of a subordinate's incompetance. The ST coach is in over his head, as I mentioned Hackett is no offensive genius. If he has 3 years, thats 48 games and 10 games have come and gone and we are 3-7. that leaves 38 games. Oh and Doug, if that 3rd year starts bad, you will quickly lose the team and the fans. The lame duck label will be on you faster than you think.

 

Im so done with pain and patience, Im done with excuses. This team today was pretty healthy compared to other teams and laid an absolute dud. Lead, follow or get out of the way.

 

Couldn't have said it any better...

 

Unfortunately you're wrong on one thing. Tuel had ONE 300 yard game this year. Ugh!

Edited November 11, 2013 by DefenseWinzChampionshipz

[mousetrap08]

Early in the season this team was given credit for scoring 20 points or more in it't first few games but their highest out put was around 23 points all it has proved to me that this is a bad offense that can't score in the 30 range.

[billsfan714]

Couldn't have said it any better...

 

Unfortunately you're wrong on one thing. Tuel had ONE 300 yard game this year. Ugh!

 

What game was that? He had 229 against the Chiefs and 80 against the Browns.

[3rdnlng]

I been saying Hackett is not cutting it for about 8 weeks now. His play calling is brutal. Hackett is the single biggest thing wrong with this team right now. IF the Bills had an OC on the same level as the DC this team would have a chance in every game. The D gives the Bills a chance in every game. It is the uninspiring play calling of the O that is killing drives.

I also pointed out that around this time Hacketts tendencies would begin becoming more and more appearent to opponents DC.

lebeau is a master and he crushed the young Hackett. Hackett is not a young prodigy. He is a guy in over his head. Marrone needs to get a proven NFL level OC this offseason.

That game yesterday was right there for 2 quarters to take. The Bills have the second worse redzone team in the league. They only hurt that stat yesterday.

Sorry guys, but i been saying all these things since the very early on. It is getting worse because teams now know what the O is going to do.

This season is about to get really bad i think. Bad enough for hackett to lose his job i hope. And Marrone just looks clueless and in over his head on the sideline. I am sure he is bright and knows football but he looks like Dickie J out there.

 

So, what you're saying is that the Bills have a chance in every game because of the DC but would have a chance in every game if the OC was as good as the DC? Hmmmm.

[3rdand12]

1. EJ isn't very accurate right now. Maybe he never will be, but we'll know after the season is over. Intangibles, leadership and character are great but if you don't throw with accuracy it's meaningless.

 

2. Pitt got pressure with 4 yesterday. It wasn't LeBeau trickery. You win everytime if you can bring heat w 4. Our o-line wasn't very stout.

 

3. I dont know that Rex is a "better" coach than Pettine and neither do you. Our D is not the problem, except maybe for Gilmore being very rusty and playing poorly.

 

4. Kelso has been pointing out for weeks that our WR's seem confused on routes. Easley in the redzone yest. TJ stepping in front of Chandler last week, Stevie inconsistent his whole career. Marrone needs to oversee Hackett's process and get this fixed in the bye week. He also needs to tell his QB's to STOP UNDERTHROWING THESE LITTLE WR's on the deep balls. Its ridiculous.

 

5. I think our screen play total this year is up to 12. Averaging 8 yards per play and keeping opponents d-line honest. Build on what Chan taught this team you egomaniacs.

Sunday was the dark day for Bills. Thats the Bills of old i watched. Sucking and giving up (kinda).

plenty of blame for all. and too few atta boys.

Young team.

Hoping for some corrections against the Jets .

Bills Must be able to run the ball because that should be their strength with Fred and CJ and Summers.They sure cant pass .

Ugh

[Spiderweb]

 

So because Pettite isn't as 'good' as the best defensive coach in the NFL, he sucks? Good grief. The defense has been far better than anything we've seen in recent years. First, Pittsburgh is not a 'bad team'. They are a decent, veteran team that had a bad start to the year. People need to understand the difference. Second, they did not gouge the Bills. The D was on the field for >35 minutes because the offense scored 3 points until garbage time and punted 9 times, and yet the D only allowed 300 total yards in the game. Pittsburgh's primary ball carrier averaged 2.6 ypc yesterday. What more do you want?

 

I hope you're happy in two years when Pettine is coaching somewhere else and the Bills D again becomes as bad as the offense.

Full agreement here. The defense should what have the right to go Incognito on the offfense. The play of the offense and Manuel in particular was the worst seen since the darkest days of Edwards/Losman.

[YoloinOhio]

Well Said!!! I've thought many of the same things about Hackett and the QB position - if you can rationalize drafting Spiller when you've got Jackson and Lynch, you darn sure better be able to draft a potentially great QB when you don't even have one good one, yet! That's my worst fear - that we pass on a really elite QB talent next year, only to have Manuel remain average, at best.

Drafting additional RBs that are the BPA is very different from drafting another QB to lead your franchise...