The Affordable Care Act is Coming Home to Roost

[Tiberius]

The legend of Kiko Alonso has had more followers then Obamacare...

 

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So, which fade dies first - Legend of Kiko or the Obamacare Followers?

 

When Republicans try and take away those that get health insurance even though they have pre-existing conditions you will see that there are lots of Obamacare followers. It's off to slow start but it ain't goin anywhere

Edited November 14, 2013 by gatorman

[DC Tom]

When Republicans try and take away those that get health insurance even though they have pre-existing conditions you will see that there are lots of Obamacare followers.

 

About every tenth post you write something that makes me think of Benicio del Toro in The Usual Suspects.

 

What did you just say?

[B-Man]

QUESTIONS for Senate Dems who voted for ObamaCare.

 

Worth noting that it was only Dems in the Senate who voted for ObamaCare, since, you know, it passed without a single Republican vote.

 

 

 

 

The Dire Consequences of Centralized Health Care

 

Obamacare is taking us toward the disaster that has become the UK’s NHS. No, it isn’t a directly socialized system. Yet. But it is a centrally controlled system with the ultimate goal of failing into single payer.

And that will be a disaster that makes the current train wreck the “good old days.” The current mess in the Wales version of the NHS illustrates the point. From the BBC report:

The number of patients waiting more than nine months for hospital treatment in Wales has more than doubled in six months, figures show. The number of patients waiting jumped from 5,414 to 11,672, in the six months since March this year.

 

 

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[DC Tom]

The number of patients waiting more than nine months for hospital treatment in Wales has more than doubled in six months, figures show. The number of patients waiting jumped from 5,414 to 11,672, in the six months since March this year.

 

 

That's only because there's no effective treatment for being Welsh.

[keepthefaith]

When Republicans try and take away those that get health insurance even though they have pre-existing conditions you will see that there are lots of Obamacare followers. It's off to slow start but it ain't goin anywhere

Nobody's trying to reverse pre-existing condition coverage. The law that was passed is simply a crappy solution to solve the uninsured. If there is an argument that supports Obamacare as a well crafted solution, let's hear it.

[DC Tom]

Nobody's trying to reverse pre-existing condition coverage. The law that was passed is simply a crappy solution to solve the uninsured. If there is an argument that supports Obamacare as a well crafted solution, let's hear it.

 

It's "reform," and the system needed reform, therefore it's good.

 

This logic brought to you by the same people that thought absolutely nobody could be worse than Bush.

[B-Man]

About every tenth post you write something that makes me think of Benicio del Toro in The Usual Suspects.

 

What did you just say?

 

 

When it comes to Obamacare Tom, I prefer another quote (slightly altered) from The Usual Suspects;

 

 

 

Verbal: "Oh, gee, thanks, Dave Barack. Bang-up job so far...................... Extortion, coercion.

 

You'll pardon me if I ask you to kiss my pucker. The same f***ers that rounded us up and sank us into this mess are gonna bail me us out? F--- you."

 

 

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[IDBillzFan]

Interesting that current headlines are suggesting the president is allowing a year-long delay for the individual mandate, but what he *seemed* to be saying is that they will allow people who had their plan cancelled (as of this date) to keep their plan, which is a totally different issue.

 

ABC News reads : Obama announces insured can keep health plans.

 

The other question begs: Can he actually do this administrative to an existing law?

[DC Tom]

Interesting that current headlines are suggesting the president is allowing a year-long delay for the individual mandate, but what he *seemed* to be saying is that they will allow people who had their plan cancelled (as of this date) to keep their plan, which is a totally different issue.

 

ABC News reads : Obama announces insured can keep health plans.

 

The other question begs: Can he actually do this administrative to an existing law?

 

No one's stopped him yet.

 

More seriously: my understanding is that the cancellations were prompted by HSS regs written in a very narrow interpretation of the law, and not the law itself...so yes, the executive can reverse that decision. With regards to delaying the mandate...probably not, but he already delayed the employer mandate unconstitutionally, so there's precedent.

 

The truly sickening thing is how many people think this is acceptable. Let's just go ahead and pass an Enabling Act - we can even call it the "Law to Remedy the Distress of People and The Homeland."

[B-Man]

Sorry Barack..........everyone's feeling empowered these days..........

 

 

State insurance commissioner rejects Obama’s proposal to extend canceled policies

 

State Insurance Commissioner Mike Kreidler has rejected President Obama’s proposal to allow insurance companies to extend health insurance policies for people who have received notices that their policies will be cancelled at the end of the year.

 

Within two hours of President Obama’s news conference announcing the proposed administrative fix for Americans upset by their policy cancellations, Kreidler issued a statement rejecting the proposal.

 

“I understand that many people are upset by the notices they have recently received from their health plans and they may not need the new benefits [in the Affordable Care Act] today,” he said. “But I have serious concerns about how President Obama’s proposal would be implemented and more significantly, its potential impact on the overall stability of our health insurance market.”

 

“I do not believe his proposal is a good deal for the state of Washington,” Kreidler’s statement continued. “We will not be allowing insurance companies to extend their policies.”

 

 

 

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/healthcarecheckup/2013/11/14/state-insurance-commissioner-rejects-obamas-proposal-to-extend-canceled-policies/

 

 

 

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[IDBillzFan]

Sorry Barack..........everyone's feeling empowered these days..........

 

Damn teabagger governor and his teabagger state insurance commissioner...obstructing the black president's signature..uh...ummm..

 

Wait. What? They're Democrats?

 

Oh.

 

Nevermind.

[Koko78]

Damn teabagger governor and his teabagger state insurance commissioner...obstructing the black president's signature..uh...ummm..

 

Wait. What? They're Democrats?

 

Oh.

 

Nevermind.

 

Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush, Cruz and Boehner got to them. This is all the GOP's fault. Damned racist teabaggers.

[B-Man]

Thank you Major............................

 

CBS's Major Garrett Grills President on ObamaCare Debacle: Where's the Accountability?

 

CBS journalist Major Garrett grilled Barack Obama at a White House news conference, Thursday. On the subject of ObamaCare's disastrous rollout, the reporter repeatedly zeroed in on what the President knew and when: "You said after the law was implemented or signed, if like your plan, you can keep it. Americans believed you, sir, when you said that to them over and over."[see video below. MP3 audio here.]

 

Garrett pushed, "Do you not believe, sir, the American people deserve a deeper, more transparent accountability from you as to why you said it over and over and when your own statistics, published in the Federal Register, alerted your policy staff, and I presume you, to the fact that millions of Americans would, in fact, probably fall into the very gap you are trying to administratively fix now?" The journalist wasn't done. He offered up two more hard-hitting queries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6oFQfuFp4k

 

 

 

Garrett added, "You were informed or – several people in this building were informed two weeks before the launch of the website that it was failing the most basic tests internally. Yet, a decision was made to launch the website on October 1st. Did you, sir, make that test and if so, did you regret it?"

 

Obama professed ignorance:

 

OBAMA: On the website, I was not informed directly that the website would not be working the way it was supposed to. Had I been informed I wouldn't be going out saying "boy, this is going to be great." You know, I'm accused of a lot of things but I don't think that I'm stupid enough to go around saying this is going to be like shopping on Amazon or Travelocity a week before the website open it if I thought it wasn't going to work.

 

Staying focused, Garrett demanded, "Did you decide, sir, that the simple declaration was something the American people could handle but this nuance was something they couldn't handle and didn't trust the American people with the fuller truth?"

 

Read more: http://newsbusters.o...t#ixzz2kffiXP9n

Edited November 15, 2013 by B-Man

[OCinBuffalo]

Before this is over, they are going to have to haul a few Democrats away to the looney bin. They'll be muttering:

 

"Cheney" "Bush" "Tea Bagger" "Palin" "WMD"

 

as they get hauled away.

 

However, the paramedic is a wiseass libertarian, so, ever mile or so, he look back and yell "OBAMACARE!", and touch off another outburst of crazy.

[DC Tom]

Sorry Barack..........everyone's feeling empowered these days..........

 

 

 

 

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/healthcarecheckup/2013/11/14/state-insurance-commissioner-rejects-obamas-proposal-to-extend-canceled-policies/

 

 

 

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Oh, right. Everyone forgot that the STATES regulate insurance.

 

Presidential edict against federal law vs. states' rights upholding federal law. It'd be interesting (and likely depressing) if this ever made the inside of a courtroom.

[birdog1960]

howard speaks the truth: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/11/liberals-to-president-obama-keep-it-together-99895.html?hp=t3_3. obama needs to listen. now.

[boyst]

Question from work. Our _____ _____ HR woman mispoke to my knowledge. Could it really be that legal residents, work right visa residents and other non-US citizens do not need to have this insurance?

 

howard speaks the truth: http://www.politico....95.html?hp=t3_3. obama needs to listen. now.

Howard Stern had a much better take then Howard Dean. No joke, his half wit brain and liberal Dem love was halfway able to explain it. Howard Dean is just a little B word.

[birdog1960]

Howard Stern had a much better take then Howard Dean. No joke, his half wit brain and liberal Dem love was halfway able to explain it. Howard Dean is just a little B word.

howard stern vs howard dean on healthcare policy qualifications? http://en.wikipedia....iki/Howard_Dean qualifications on any type? howard stern, the 20th century version of "midsummer's night dream' rude mechanicals all wrapped up in one fool. yet somehow, more people listen to him. go figure. Edited November 15, 2013 by birdog1960

[boyst]

howard stern vs howard dean on healthcare policy qualifications? http://en.wikipedia....iki/Howard_Dean qualifications on any type? howard stern, the 20th century version of "midsummer night dreams' rude mechanicals all wrapped up in one fool. yet somehow, more people listen to him. go figure.

howard stern is entertaining. howard dean is entertaining because he is just so goofy.

 

stern has the ability to make a statement and have it mean something with weight that a listener can carry. dean issues statements that carry weight that mean nothing - not just him, but 99.9% of politicians. only tea-baggers mean what they say...

 

 

 

 

(kidding on tbaggers)

[DC Tom]

howard speaks the truth: http://www.politico....95.html?hp=t3_3. obama needs to listen. now.

 

 

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