simpleman Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 I'm not saying "Fire Marrone/Hackett" or "Dump the 'Up Tempo/No Huddle' Offence", but this coaching staff will need to learn to adjust during the game and not be so stubborn about what they are going to run all the time if they want to make the step up and play with the big boys. This game is all about adjustments, and its not like the offence was playing spectacular all day and were moving the ball at will against the Pats. Theres a time where its appropriate to slow things down and take some time off the clock, its what BB and the Pats did on that last drive to ensure they would put themselves in line for a chance to win the game and give the bills little to no time left when they get the ball back. :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 (edited) Seems like there won't be a concenses on this. It will be interesting to see what Chip Kelly does with his hurry up in a similar situation. On another note, did anyone else think the Bills started using their timeouts too late? Not that our D stopped them anyway, but I was expeting them to use the timeouts right after the 2 minute warning, especially after getting that penalty on NE*. Edited September 9, 2013 by 4BillsintheBurgh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 In the last quarter the NE defense had to play 4:09 minutes, defend 10 plays total, during which the Buffalo defense racked up 20 yards in total offense and converted one 3rd down. One of those plays had a long stoppage to enforce a penalty. How does a hurry up offense tire the defense out at that grueling pace, lol? For the hurry up offense to work, you must first have an offense able to complete plays. The hurry up is just a gimmick, if you do not first work on execution. If the coaching staff wants to live and die by the hurry up, they must first teach the players how to properly execute before they then try to play hurry up. If the players are rushing too much to be able to properly execute, you have a problem. You have to be able to walk before you can run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 The thing that bothers me is that if they had made the first down, at the rate they were going, if they didn't make ANOTHER first down, they STILL would have left too much time on the clock. Just go no huddle so they don't substitute, but drain time off the clock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 In the last quarter the NE defense had to play 4:09 minutes, defend 10 plays total, during which the Buffalo defense racked up 20 yards in total offense and converted one 3rd down. One of those plays had a long stoppage to enforce a penalty. How does a hurry up offense tire the defense out at that grueling pace, lol? For the hurry up offense to work, you must first have an offense able to complete plays. The hurry up is just a gimmick, if you do not first work on execution. If the coaching staff wants to live and die by the hurry up, they must first teach the players how to properly execute before they then try to play hurry up. If the players are rushing too much to be able to properly execute, you have a problem. You have to be able to walk before you can run. Your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 For the hurry up offense to work, you must first have an offense able to complete plays. Of course, you could replace "hurry up" with any other style of offense and this sentence would still be true. The offensive skill group on this roster is a good fit for what Marrone/Hackett are trying to do, which is of course by design. They made strides yesterday and looked generally competent if unspectacular. It's probably wise to reserve ultimate judgement for another week besides Week 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Anyone questioning the "hurry up" needs to watch Eric Wood's press conference: http://goo.gl/kYoJBh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 In the last quarter the NE defense had to play 4:09 minutes, defend 10 plays total, during which the Buffalo defense racked up 20 yards in total offense and converted one 3rd down. One of those plays had a long stoppage to enforce a penalty. How does a hurry up offense tire the defense out at that grueling pace, lol? For the hurry up offense to work, you must first have an offense able to complete plays. The hurry up is just a gimmick, if you do not first work on execution. If the coaching staff wants to live and die by the hurry up, they must first teach the players how to properly execute before they then try to play hurry up. If the players are rushing too much to be able to properly execute, you have a problem. You have to be able to walk before you can run. Are you factoring in ad break time? Because honestly, that takes up far more time than the game itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Are you factoring in ad break time? Because honestly, that takes up far more time than the game itself. True, Subway has to get their $5 footlong deal message out too the masses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John in Jax Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 (edited) We needed first downs. Huddling wouldn't have changed that, assuming the plays and the execution were the same. And I think we have to take that as fact because those were the real results. All that said, I hope that when we ARE in that situation and we get a couple first downs to keep the clock moving, that Marrone will instruct EJ to run more clock before the snap. I just think with 5 plus minutes left, up by 1, I can see where he was coming from after thinking about it. Here's the thing that you and all the others saying that "it just didn't matter because they didn't execute and get the first downs": Yes, we all agree that they did need to get first downs, and keep the ball moving down the field.....BUT IF they did that using the hurry up, then stalled in the red zone. and had to kick a FG, it still would have left plenty of time for Brady to come back for a possible game-winning TD. OTOH, if they're milking the clock for every second, go down the field and stall in the red zone, and then kick the FG,...well, obviously in the course of picking up the 4-5 first downs to get into the red zone, there would be much less time left (if any) for the Pats (after the FG). The ONLY time, late in the game, that anyone should ever run the no huddle offense, is when they're behind. Edited September 9, 2013 by John in Jax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 (edited) [/size] Here's the thing that you and all the others saying that "it just didn't matter because they didn't execute and get the first downs": Yes, we all agree that they did need to get first downs, and keep the ball moving down the field.....BUT IF they did that using the hurry up, then stalled in the red zone. and had to kick a FG, it still would have left plenty of time for Brady to come back for a possible game-winning TD. OTOH, if they're milking the clock for every second, go down the field and stall in the red zone, and then kick the FG,...well, obviously in the course of picking up the 4-5 first downs to get into the red zone, there would be much less time left (if any) for the Pats (after the FG). The ONLY time, late in the game, that anyone should ever run the no huddle offense, is when they're behind. This whole discussion is about the Bills' second to last possession when they got the ball with 5:51 to play. They had ONE, count em ONE, opportunity to milk the play clock all the way down; after the 1st down run by Spiller. They could have used a grand total of 26 more seconds. Period. Brady would have got the ball at 4:05 vs. 4:31 and, as previously stated, with all his timeouts and the 2 minute warning, it wouldn't have made a difference. If you are arguing that had the Bills huddled or slowed the pace, how would that have resulted in a better first down run by Spiller, a completed pass on 2nd down, or a longer completion to Chandler on 3rd down? Answer: it wouldn't have because the pace had nothing to do with execution. That's all anyone is saying here. It makes no sense to me to wonder about things that could have happened if they got first downs and continued the fast pace and then only had to settle for a FG in the red zone. We can speculate about ANY aspect of the game at ANY time and how that would have effected the outcome. We can only honestly deal in what DID happen. GO BILLS!!! Edited September 9, 2013 by K-9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 (edited) Your point? As a coach you must first coach a team to be able to play a disciplined and effective game. When they are at that point, then you coach them to play the no huddle. You don't skip a step and expect to get the best results. You can't hurry up the training and coaching process and expect optimum results. The lack of proper preparation and coaching has shown in the number of penalties and the poor execution. Brady had an offense that was awful in this game beyond Vereen & Amendola (who both also played with serious injuries) and Edelman, yet they still beat the Bills. This should have been a winnable game for the Bills, and I have questions about the effectiveness of this offensive coaching staff. Edited September 9, 2013 by simpleman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 (edited) it wasn't the hurry up, it was the NEED to get 1 or 2 more firsts downs (at a minimum) to eat up the clock, the most obvious answer was for the Bills to score a at least aFG to force NE* to go for the tie or TD. Edited September 9, 2013 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Mr. Marrone, please tune into the eagles game tonight. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Mr. Marrone, please tune into the eagles game tonight. Thank you. Do you think the difference between the Bills and Eagles offensive output in Week 1 has anything to do with the inexperience of a rookie QB that missed 2+ weeks of practice and preseason reps? Because I think what we're seeing tonight is exactly what Marrone and Hackett have in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Do you think the difference between the Bills and Eagles offensive output in Week 1 has anything to do with the inexperience of a rookie QB that missed 2+ weeks of practice and preseason reps? Because I think what we're seeing tonight is exactly what Marrone and Hackett have in mind. No! The difference is that the Eagles "playmakers" are making plays and the Bills "playmakers" didn't! Deshawn Jackson and "Shady" McCoy are showing you how it gets done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Do you think the difference between the Bills and Eagles offensive output in Week 1 has anything to do with the inexperience of a rookie QB that missed 2+ weeks of practice and preseason reps? Because I think what we're seeing tonight is exactly what Marrone and Hackett have in mind. He can still watch and take some of the good things away from it. I know they were constrained by EJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 No! The difference is that the Eagles "playmakers" are making plays and the Bills "playmakers" didn't! Deshawn Jackson and "Shady" McCoy are showing you how it gets done. New England would defend a veteran playmaker like Vick the same as a rookie in his first NFL start coming off a knee scope that kept him out for 2 weeks? Spiller would probably have gaudy stats in Philly's offense tonight. He can still watch and take some of the good things away from it. I know they were constrained by EJ. Marrone and Hackett have borrowed quite a bit from Kelly. I'm not sure they'd see anything new tonight that they haven't seen. Having said that, I'd hope they're adaptable and continue to evolve the scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 As a coach you must first coach a team to be able to play a disciplined and effective game. When they are at that point, then you coach them to play the no huddle. You don't skip a step and expect to get the best results. You can't hurry up the training and coaching process and expect optimum results. The lack of proper preparation and coaching has shown in the number of penalties and the poor execution. Brady had an offense that was awful in this game beyond Vereen & Amendola (who both also played with serious injuries) and Edelman, yet they still beat the Bills. This should have been a winnable game for the Bills, and I have questions about the effectiveness of this offensive coaching staff. Your ability to dance around a point is stupifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 No! The difference is that the Eagles "playmakers" are making plays and the Bills "playmakers" didn't! Deshawn Jackson and "Shady" McCoy are showing you how it gets done. ...and our quarterback was 11 when theirs took his first NFL snap... Well for one the Eagles aren't running the same offensive set EVERY single down. As I've said before, the offensive play calling was BAD yesterday. Which ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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