Nanker Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 That's heads up football! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eme123 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Funny..... The awful concussion symptoms that were just too much to bear are suddenly bearable for 170k each. (Before Lawyer Fees) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Funny..... The awful concussion symptoms that were just too much to bear are suddenly bearable for 170k each. (Before Lawyer Fees) Given long term medical costs, I completely disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eme123 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Given long term medical costs, I completely disagree. Obamacare has everyone covered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 @ProFootballTalk Judge who brokered settlement casts doubt on viability of future concussion lawsuits http://wp.me/p14QSB-9fUL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Is Mark Kelso going to get on the list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 This deal does seem to favor the league but I wouldn't expect them to just soak up 1billion on their books. Revenues will increase naturally over the next 17 years but prices will go up somewhere. its about 10% of a single years revenue in todays dollars and revenue stream. as a 20 year payment thats hardly significant - even if the cost is passed on. Funny..... The awful concussion symptoms that were just too much to bear are suddenly bearable for 170k each. (Before Lawyer Fees) i wasnt aware that settling a lawsuit meant that everything was considered all better now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Schoop is talking about how we might be seeing flag football in twenty years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 @ProFootballTalk Judge who brokered settlement casts doubt on viability of future concussion lawsuits http://wp.me/p14QSB-9fUL Some of the quotes from the link have me concerned. ******* Judge Phillips said in a Q&A document released in connection with the settlement. ”. . . The combination of advances in medical research, improved equipment, rules changes, greater understanding of concussion management, and enhanced benefits should, and hopefully will, prevent similar lawsuits in the future.” ******* The problem with the above quote is that the NFL is not, in fact, using the best possible helmets to prevent concussions. A Swedish research group has created helmets specifically designed to reduce rotational force to the brain. The helmet consists of an inner layer, which hugs your head. There's also an outer hard shell. If you receive a glancing blow to the head, the hard outer layer will move relative to the inner layer. This helmet provides much better protection against concussions than do traditional helmets. Thus far, major helmet manufacturers like Riddell have not shown interest in licensing this technology. Nor has the NFL given this any kind of forward push. ********* Simplistic certification standards provide convenient legal cover for the manufacturers. If NOCSAE certifies a company’s helmets as safe, then the company has less risk of being held responsible for injuries. On the other hand, if that same company goes above and beyond the standards, it could put itself at risk of getting sued: Suddenly all of its existing helmets would appear to be inadequate, and worse, the company might have to admit knowing that they fell short. ********* If, five or ten years from now, this helmet technology still isn't in widespread use around the NFL, I think another lawsuit would be fully justified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Hmmmm: @JasonLaCanfora Furthermore, the NFL can pay over time and avoid discovery of what exactly was and was not known, and when. Seems like another big W for NFL There is no other way except a huge win for the NFL. Did anybody expect anything less? You don't kill the goose that lays golden eggs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 I'm sure the league has liability insurance so this isn't coming out of their wallets. So it pry cost them their deductible and a big increase in insurance premiums and guess what? That will most likely be a cost of doing business so it will count against the cap and lower that. Voila! They lose little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Former Bill undergoes battery of tests. Also if anyone's interested...Joe D to appear on M&M this morning (if he hasn't already). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 (edited) Former Bill undergoes battery of tests. Also if anyone's interested...Joe D to appear on M&M this morning (if he hasn't already). The quote I just heard - though obviously well intentioned - didnt come across great. Upset money is going to research instead of his pocket is how it initially sounded. Robert smith ripping him right now.... Some rough sentiments shared: - should've asked for it when he was playing, and sometimes actively asked for cash turning down benefits sought now, can't have it both ways - players in joe ds era excluded those before them from new pension plans that came out - shouldn't have taken his pension early - injuries are workers comp, general healthcare shouldn't be nfl responsibility - did joe d really build the game as late as he came and even if he did when did that come with extra money later Lots of barbs tossed at him Edited August 30, 2013 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eme123 Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 (edited) its about 10% of a single years revenue in todays dollars and revenue stream. as a 20 year payment thats hardly significant - even if the cost is passed on. A billion dollars will be passed on for sure. i wasnt aware that settling a lawsuit meant that everything was considered all better now. Then whats the point of a lawsuit? 170k eased their "pain and suffering". Edited August 30, 2013 by eme123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBrad Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Then whats the point of a lawsuit? 170k eased their "pain and suffering". Who said anything about pain and suffering? The money is going to fund a health plan that takes care of players suffering from brain injuries that are believed to be the result of head trauma. Long term care costs can easily run over $100k a year and are generally not covered by health insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Who said anything about pain and suffering? The money is going to fund a health plan that takes care of players suffering from brain injuries that are believed to be the result of head trauma. Long term care costs can easily run over $100k a year and are generally not covered by health insurance. as well as research into better treatment, and of course albeit a small one, but a penalty to the nfl for their possible misconducts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eme123 Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Who said anything about pain and suffering? The money is going to fund a health plan that takes care of players suffering from brain injuries that are believed to be the result of head trauma. Long term care costs can easily run over $100k a year and are generally not covered by health insurance. Oh ok so there is no pain now? Its just suffering then? Call it what you want but these players will get less than 170k in $$/benefits for another litigious lawsuit. Congrats to them. as well as research into better treatment, and of course albeit a small one, but a penalty to the nfl for their possible misconducts The NFL's only misconduct is a failure to make their league flag instead of tackle. These players chose to play tackle football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 The NFL's only misconduct is a failure to make their league flag instead of tackle. These players chose to play tackle football. and its rumored strongly that the nfl has lied to their faces about the risks involved. thats not legal as an employer. but its coming across as your argument is "i dont like courts and i do like football!" so i may leave it at agree to disagree on the nature of the situation. i think its a lot more nuanced than your posts throughout the thread are giving credit for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBrad Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Oh ok so there is no pain now? Its just suffering then? Call it what you want but these players will get less than 170k in $$/benefits for another litigious lawsuit. Congrats to them. The NFL's only misconduct is a failure to make their league flag instead of tackle. These players chose to play tackle football. The argument is that the NFL lied about the risk of head trauma to their players, cherry picking the medical evidence in the process. If that's true, then the NFL is certainly has culpability. From The Atlantic, here's a fairly incriminating timeline detailing the NFL's response to head trauma injuries http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2013/01/the-nfls-response-to-brain-trauma-a-brief-history/272520/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Concussion Settlement: The Debate Resets: http://mmqb.si.com/2013/08/30/concussion-settlement-the-debate-resets/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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