freester Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 I think the quick release, dink and dunk offense hid deficiencies in the oline. Deficiencies like Glenn's inability to pass block speed rushers etc. I am concerned without Levitre and with an offense that wants to throw downfield (farther than Fitz threw) we will see many QB sacks and pressures. Last year we did mostly 3 and 5 step drops. This covers up pass blocking deficiencies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 No. Â As I've detailed before, Gailey's offense was predicated on how rapidly Fitz's accuracy declined as receivers ran down field. PFF did an analysis of time-to-throw for 2012, and Fitz had the greatest decline in accuracy when given more than 2.5 seconds to throw. Â Did it help the OL? I'm sure it didn't hurt. Did it cover up major deficiencies as some proclaim? Not in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 As I've detailed before, Gailey's offense was predicated on how rapidly Fitz's accuracy declined as receivers ran down field. PFF did an analysis of time-to-throw for 2012, and Fitz had the greatest decline in accuracy when given more than 2.5 seconds to throw. Â Chicken or the egg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Chicken or the egg? Â You tailor the passing offense to the abilities of the QB; I can't fathom any NFL offensive coach doing it differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 I believe it did. Â I remember specifically seeing a statistical break down of OLs and how they performed on longer developing pass plays, and the Bills had trouble. Â That being said, they were *fantastic* at run blocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Duck Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Really don't think it matters much...Aaron Rodgers and Ben Roethlesberger routinely are amongst the most sacked QBs in the league and they seem to do just fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 I think Gailey designed his dink and dunk offense to hide both Fitz's and the O Line's deficiencies. Fitz couldn't throw deep and the line - a couple years ago - couldn't keep defenders out of the pocket for very long. It made sense to run short, quick routes. Â I think the O Line was matured since then. And hopefully it will mature some more with a Head Coach who was a former lineman and line coach. Â Some of the statistics indicate we had an exceptionally good line last year. But Spiller can do a lot with a very small hole. Freddy was hobbled last year but used to be among the league leaders in Yards After Contact. And Fitz rarely held onto the ball for very long so he didn't get sacked a lot. In other words, I think the QB and RBs helped make the line look good. Â We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 absolutely YES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 No. Â The pass protection, as well as the rushing yards/carry were consistently above average for the past two complete years. Â Either Fitz is a master at sack avoidance AND Spiller is awesome AND Fred Jackson is awesome ... or ... the O-line has done a really good job at a) protecting the QB and b) making holes for our running game. Â After 32 weeks of overall consistency, I'm going with the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 (edited) Yes. No. Â The pass protection, as well as the rushing yards/carry were consistently above average for the past two complete years. Â Either Fitz is a master at sack avoidance AND Spiller is awesome AND Fred Jackson is awesome ... or ... the O-line has done a really good job at a) protecting the QB and b) making holes for our running game. Â After 32 weeks of overall consistency, I'm going with the latter. Â I don't recall very my instances of Fitz standing in the pocket all day, waiting for a play to develop, waiting for his receivers to outrun DB's (see: Brady, Tom). Â As for what you site cite relative to rushing: run blocking and pass blocking are two different things (a) and CJ and Fred are both above-average running backs, at the very least (b). Â So, to answer OP's original question: Yes. Edited August 8, 2013 by The Big Cat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 One of RF's biggest strengths was his ability to direct the offensive line. Even so, he took it in the chin on the majority of pass plays. I was worried that if we drafted a QB with even a second slower release, our sack rate would probably triple. Luckily, I think EJ has a fast enough release to be ok, but our offensive line has never been "good." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Yes. Â I don't recall very my instances of Fitz standing in the pocket all day, waiting for a play to develop, waiting for his receivers to outrun DB's (see: Brady, Tom). Â As for what you site cite relative to rushing: run blocking and pass blocking are two different things (a) and CJ and Fred are both above-average running backs, at the very least (b). Â So, to answer OP's original question: Yes. Â And yet Tom Brady had the shortest "Time to Throw" in the entire NFL (Peyton Manning was 3rd)... Â https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/11/07/signature-stat-snapshot-time-to-throw/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 In short. Yes. The offense play calling and design helped reduce the liabilities of the OL. We have neglected the OL very much in the last 3 or 4 years as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf Sandwich Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 (edited) Nope, Fitz's elongated throwing motion not only allowed defenders to react faster, but it also added time to him holding onto the ball longer then people realized. His release time was actually on par with your average QB. It only seemed quicker b.c he had to start his windmill motion earlier. Edited August 8, 2013 by BuffaloFood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladiebla Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 The biggest issue on the offensive side was that the new qb coach they brought in started changing Fitz his mechanics, something he never got down. The line itself was good if not great when run blocking, a lot of that was on Levitre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 (edited) If offensive calls take too long to develop or your QB is indecisive the best Online on the planet won't be able to sustain blocks for long. Defenses are simply too good. With the speed and rhythm that this offense seems to operate don't think it will be too bad. That long bomb we like to throw maybe a problem though. Edited August 11, 2013 by LVBillsBackr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 And yet Tom Brady had the shortest "Time to Throw" in the entire NFL (Peyton Manning was 3rd)... Â https://www.profootb...-time-to-throw/ Â Without following the link and examining their methodologies, is that "time to throw" or "took the least time to throw." Because those are two wildly different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 I prefer to live in the present, so I think a better question is, will EJ and Maronne make the OLine better than it is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 I prefer to live in the present, so I think a better question is, will EJ and Maronne make the OLine better than it is? Wouldn't that be the future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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