peterlaw Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Interesting recent interview with Nat Hackett (with Chris Brown on the official site). Emphasis on getting your best 5 players out in the formation. For me it is not yet clear what our preferred base offensive package will look like, other than it will featured a heavy dose of CJ. Our best 5 would seem to be CJ, Freddie, Stevie, Woods & Chandler. But this means a 2 back, 2 WR set with the implication that Freddie is better than TJ Graham or Goodwin. But would the Offense be better served with a one back formation and either TJ or Goodwin stretching the field and creating space underneath. Or would they look to put Freddie in motion in an attempt to confuse the D? Any thoughts on our best Offensive formation / personnel grouping to put points on the board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Good topic -- I'm not sure even Hackett knows who his best five are yet. So many things to be decided in camp. If Freddie is healthy, then I agree he belongs in that discussion. CJ and Stevie are a given. Chandler? Perhaps, but I'm very intrigued by Gragg. Woods seems so polished and ready, Graham has reportedly had a terrific offseason, and then you're looking at Goodwin, Rogers, Brad Smith. I realize this is wishy-washy, but I have no idea what to expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Good topic -- I'm not sure even Hackett knows who his best five are yet. So many things to be decided in camp. If Freddie is healthy, then I agree he belongs in that discussion. CJ and Stevie are a given. Chandler? Perhaps, but I'm very intrigued by Gragg. Woods seems so polished and ready, Graham has reportedly had a terrific offseason, and then you're looking at Goodwin, Rogers, Brad Smith. I realize this is wishy-washy, but I have no idea what to expect. And there will be injuries in camp. WRs are prone to pulling their groins or hamstrings.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playman Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 i think we will need to see at least wk3 of preseason to really know, but i can imagine an empty set with cj and gragg to go with stevie, woods and rogers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 I would not expect alot from Goodwin too early. He needs time to develope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterlaw Posted June 24, 2013 Author Share Posted June 24, 2013 i think we will need to see at least wk3 of preseason to really know, but i can imagine an empty set with cj and gragg to go with stevie, woods and rogers I like the sound of that line up. But maybe a bit too ambitious for the Bills against the Pats in week 1. Although Marrone/Hackett may want to throw down the challenge to Bellicheat first up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playman Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 I like the sound of that line up. But maybe a bit too ambitious for the Bills against the Pats in week 1. Although Marrone/Hackett may want to throw down the challenge to Bellicheat first up. that´s what i thought. come out swinging Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchmurraydowntown Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 CJ needs to rest because he's young & gets tired, oh wait that was last season's excuse. Carry-on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 WRs are prone to pulling their groins.... So are many posters here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 i think we will need to see at least wk3 of preseason to really know, but i can imagine an empty set with cj and gragg to go with stevie, woods and rogers CJ Gragg?? Wasn't she the Press Secretary and later White House COS in the Bartlett Administration?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph W. Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 So 5 WRs are going to be kept on the roster. Stevie Woods Graham Goodwin Da'Rick Brad Smith won't be in this team and that will clear up even more cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 So are many posters here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterlaw Posted June 24, 2013 Author Share Posted June 24, 2013 So 5 WRs are going to be kept on the roster. Stevie Woods Graham Goodwin Da'Rick Brad Smith won't be in this team and that will clear up even more cap space. It depends on how many multiple Wide sets they intend to run. And the potential impact a junior WR may have on Special Teams. I wouldn't be surprised to end up with 6 WRs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeisterHollow Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 I think it'd have to be a 3 WR set, with a TE and a RB - Johnson, Rogers, Woods, Chandler, and Spiller. That would be a nice group, I'd think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 I would not expect alot from Goodwin too early. He needs time to develope he probably needs to develop too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Those of you wanting to jettison Brad Smith should realize he was a very big part of ST last season, particularly on kick coverage. That, plus the fact he has been a decent receiver, likely keep him around this season. Call him this year's Ruvell Martin with some actual offensive skill. Is he overpaid? Probably, but not by so much it makes sense to cut him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Those of you wanting to jettison Brad Smith should realize he was a very big part of ST last season, particularly on kick coverage. That, plus the fact he has been a decent receiver, likely keep him around this season. Call him this year's Ruvell Martin with some actual offensive skill. Is he overpaid? Probably, but not by so much it makes sense to cut him. The only reason I agree with you is because he hasn't been released yet. In no way did has he produced enough on the field over the past 2 seasons to justify his 3.7 million dollar salary. IMO...there are plenty of players who could aptly fill his role on kick coverage for a lot less money, and we have a wealth of riches at the KR and PR positions. Something tells me, however, that if he was going to be released for $ issues, he'd be gone by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 (edited) The only reason I agree with you is because he hasn't been released yet. In no way did has he produced enough on the field over the past 2 seasons to justify his 3.7 million dollar salary. IMO...there are plenty of players who could aptly fill his role on kick coverage for a lot less money, and we have a wealth of riches at the KR and PR positions. Something tells me, however, that if he was going to be released for $ issues, he'd be gone by now. I respectfully disagree. Every time Smith touches the ball, it ends up in positive yardage and usually results in a first down. He's smart enough and prepared enough to be an emergency long-term WR back-up. He's been more durable than any other WR on the team. Having that depth, as well as ST help, is worth his salary. He's done nothing but good things whenever he takes the field. EDIT: Adding contract details ... 7/28/2011: Signed a four-year, $15 million contract The deal included a $2 million signing bonus. 2013: $2.75 million (+ $500,000 roster bonus) 2014: $3 million (+ $500,000 roster bonus) 2015: Free Agent Edited June 24, 2013 by Fig Newtons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bags Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 I'd love occasionally to see a double TE package like the Pats and 49ers (Davis & Walker) have used in the past, just to give the opposition's LBs & safeties something more to worry about, but I don't have alot of confidence that a 2nd viable TE (after Chandler) is on the current roster. Smith or Caussin? Dickerson or Gragg? Hey, Dallas Clark is still out there...... Get 'er done, Dougie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 (edited) Interesting recent interview with Nat Hackett (with Chris Brown on the official site). Emphasis on getting your best 5 players out in the formation. For me it is not yet clear what our preferred base offensive package will look like, other than it will featured a heavy dose of CJ. Our best 5 would seem to be CJ, Freddie, Stevie, Woods & Chandler. But this means a 2 back, 2 WR set with the implication that Freddie is better than TJ Graham or Goodwin. But would the Offense be better served with a one back formation and either TJ or Goodwin stretching the field and creating space underneath. Or would they look to put Freddie in motion in an attempt to confuse the D? Any thoughts on our best Offensive formation / personnel grouping to put points on the board? Despite the philosophy that the best 5 players need to be on the field, I doubt if Hackett plans to use a 2 back set as his base offense. I just think Hackett is saying he needs to get his 5 best players on the field as much as possible. Two backs in the backfield is one option. Lining up CJ or Freddy (probably CJ) as a WR sometimes is another option. And sometimes only one RB will be on the field because a particular grouping will be better for the play call than having both Freddy and CJ out there. I expect Hackett to be creative with his formations and personnel groupings just like I expect Pettine to be creative with defensive formations. Edited June 24, 2013 by hondo in seattle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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