San Jose Bills Fan Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Oh come on man...you can't be blatantly provocative like that if you have no intention of sharing It's a bad habit of his… He wants people to know that he can keep a secret… and at the same time torture us with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 It's a bad habit of his… He wants people to know that he can keep a secret… and at the same time torture us with it. lol you got me. All the sudden I'm the popular one on here. Someone talk Simon to remove all my warning points and ill think about it. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 lol you got me. All the sudden I'm the popular one on here. Someone talk Simon to remove all my warning points and ill think about it. Lol. It's not like you won't have them back by the end of the week. You won't even know why you got them back Go for it Simon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 It's not like you won't have them back by the end of the week. You won't even know why you got them back Go for it Simon! lol. Well doney friend, well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 (edited) At the risk of being flippant, should this suit come forward, the Town of Orchard Park and Erie County might well adopt a policy that those though to be inebriated should spend the night in the local lockup. Then nobody drowns. Get two paddy wagons, and shuttle them to a nearby jail, where they can sleep it off. Of course, they may need to turn a local college dormatory into that jail based on the crowd I have seen. But, certain folks are falling down drunk, and, I guess, could be protected from themselves. (really BIg Brother nanny state stuff) there must be a local statute against public drunkness......if not, they just might enact one. Edited June 22, 2013 by bigK14094 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kkspike Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 Where is the lawsuit against the brother who did not leave the game? the brother is only worth $26,000 so leave him outta this.i would go for Erie and the state of New York for not having life guards on duty on all creeks,rivers and streams with in a 200 mile radius.let alone no signs in Spanish or madrin Chinese,witch makes this blanted racism and follow the guide lines of a hate crime.so show me the money I rest my case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevWarRifleman Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 It is a shame that such a young man died, but it was as a result of his own poor judgement. Sorry, but take some personal responsibility. If he was at the gamr with family members as was stated, why did one of them not step up and take care of this young man. The death was very sad, the lawsuit just as sad. Good point. Responsibility. He was ejected from the game at half time, and died around 1AM. How is it Erie County's responsibility to take care of him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 It all depends on whether or not he was served in the stadium. To the courts, not to me. As closed minded as this sounds, I've already made up my mind, unless it comes out that the dude was roofied or something else like that happened. I seem to manage to make it back to the car alive after each game... so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 (edited) A few things: -They do have holding cells -the security staff (many of them) are off duty law enforcement. Sheriffs, corrections officers, police and many of them have the ability, and have arrested many drunk fans. (Inside information) -the drunk tanks are completely overflowing in Sundays. -this family may have a case die to the (if an intoxicated person was served at xxx establishment and then hurt himself or others) argument. But this case makes me sick. The fact that the family is trying to sue the Bills is a joke. If I recall, the guy was a Dolphins' fan. They MAY have treated him differently? I am not saying they did... BUT MAY have. That would be a very big problem. That is, do they take care of the home town crowd better than the other teams' fans? Ouch... Let's see how it plays out. Added to that Saint, there is absolutely no way he was sober. He was kicked out for drunken stupidity. That's about all I'd like to say about it in here. Again, Dolphins fan standard of stupidity or Bills fan standard for stupidity. Throw an obnoxious opponent's fan in the tank w/the rest of the beligerant Bills drunks... Trouble in the tank. Send him on his merry way, thinkinig you are cutting him some slack (and saving security a headache... They have their own bad fans to worry about)... May not be a good idea. If it is found they treated him differently, the one's being sued MAY be in deep doo doo. Edited June 22, 2013 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 Again, Dolphins fan standard of stupidity or Bills fan standard for stupidity. Throw an obnoxious opponent's fan in the tank w/the rest of the beligerant Bills drunks... Trouble in the tank. Send him on his merry way, thinkinig you are cutting him some slack (and saving security a headache... They have their own bad fans to worry about)... May not be a good idea. If it is found they treated him differently, the one's being sued MAY be in deep doo doo. Between the family not meeting him when called, the assertion by them he wasn't even drinking really, and the 3 hour gap the lawsuit is going to be TOUGH at best, but I can definitely see scenarios where there is a fair reason to have the debate and possibly hold people responsible for their (lack of) actions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 I really don't want to add anymore Exiled. And I realize that my opinions based on the inside information that I will not speak about here are looked upon as crazy. I really don't want to break my buddies trust, especially publicly. If we ever meet personally and have a few beers, that might be a different story, but for now, I'm keeping quiet. Regardless of how this thing tirns out, Just don't believe everything you hear is all I can say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 (edited) I am just saying... In a real world scenario... You got drunk home fans and drunk opponent fans. I can see them NOT wanting to throw a drunk opponent fan into the drunk tank that is loaded with home sharks. Maybe they thought they were cutting him some slack by tossin' him out into the world... Just saying. Trying to be pragmatic here. If they broke protocol and left him fend for himself where they would not normally let home fans fend for themselves... They may be in trouble. Think about it mrags... You don't have to respond, I know you want to distance yourself from the discussion. What kinda of problems would there be if you toss an opponent's fan into the home crowd tank? You are a corrections officer, would you want that kind of headache? I can see them cutting this guy loose into the world just to save a security headache. Unfortunately, it backfired. Isn't this (drunk Bills fans v. drunk Dolphins fans) what got him into trouble (and tossed) in the first place. If he was a Bills fan, he MAY have never been tossed. The standard @ home is much lower. Edited June 22, 2013 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 (edited) I understand your point. It defenately makes sense. But I just don't see it going down that way. Without knowing personally, I doubt they care. They might think about it for a minute, but in the end, it doesn't matter. If someone gets his @$$ kicked in the tank, well, then maybe they shouldn't have done anything so stupid to be put in there in the first place. As to why he wasnt detained, arrested, held is beyond me. I never got that out of my buddy. As far as I can tell, the stories that I've heard from him, is that there's so many drunk idiots on Sundays that's there's absolutely no way deal with all of them. If someone is a problem, you kick them out and off the property and don't look back. That's about the only answer that I have for that. I've said before yet nobody believed me that Bills games have more arrests, fights, and issues than any other stadium in the league. This is all from my buddy who has personally arrested drunks, fighters, scalpers, illegal merchandise vendors, etc... I believe the kid was from the Elmira area from what I remember and not that he couldn't be a Phins fan but is there any proof to that? Edited June 22, 2013 by mrags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 I understand your point. It defenately makes sense. But I just don't see it going down that way. Without knowing personally, I doubt they care. They might think about it for a minute, but in the end, it doesn't matter. If someone gets his @$$ kicked in the tank, well, then maybe they shouldn't have done anything so stupid to be put in there in the first place. As to why he wasnt detained, arrested, held is beyond me. I never got that out of my buddy. As far as I can tell, the stories that I've heard from him, is that there's so many drunk idiots on Sundays that's there's absolutely no way deal with all of them. If someone is a problem, you kick them out and off the property and don't look back. That's about the only answer that I have for that. I've said before yet nobody believed me that Bills games have more arrests, fights, and issues than any other stadium in the league. This is all from my buddy who has personally arrested drunks, fighters, scalpers, illegal merchandise vendors, etc... I believe the kid was from the Elmira area from what I remember and not that he couldn't be a Phins fan but is there any proof to that? Palmyra area, and yes, fins fan. Is the interesting part that he was actually killed by Aaron Hernandez? The pats did have that day off... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 Palmyra area, and yes, fins fan. Is the interesting part that he was actually killed by Aaron Hernandez? The pats did have that day off... your on to something. The Hoodies latest way to cheat other teams. Have someone murdered at a Bills game so that the organization gets sued, loses money, and tailgating rules are changed so that the road game doesn't feel so much like a road game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 If the family truly said "he wasn't that drunk," their suit is toast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 If the family truly said "he wasn't that drunk," their suit is toast. either that or the family drinks entirely too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 either that or the family drinks entirely too much. Without knowing their BACs at the time, it's all speculative and subjective. A family member saying "he wasn't that drunk" holds much more whiskey, er, water than, say, someone from the Bills. And he was with it enough to phone his bro after being ejected, and told him he'd meet him at a bar. But 3 hours later he drowns at the creek and the Bills/Erie County are liable? Yeah, okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 (edited) Without knowing their BACs at the time, it's all speculative and subjective. A family member saying "he wasn't that drunk" holds much more whiskey, er, water than, say, someone from the Bills. And he was with it enough to phone his bro after being ejected, and told him he'd meet him at a bar. But 3 hours later he drowns at the creek and the Bills/Erie County are liable? Yeah, okay. Here's a quick piece from the original day after thread. Brother says he didnt think he was out of control and father says he can't imagine he had more than a couple beers cause he had work in the morning (I'd assume dad talked to brother who was with him before that statement) http://www.buffalonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20121117/CITYANDREGION/121119251/1002 Edited June 22, 2013 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 Here's a quick piece from the original day after thread. Brother says he didnt think he was out of control and father says he can't imagine he had more than a couple beers cause he had work in the morning (I'd assume dad talked to brother who was with him before that statement) http://www.buffalone.../121119251/1002 Thanks for that. And although he may have had a couple of beers, he was not intoxicated, his family said And how was his body found southeast of the stadium, in the opposite direction from the tavern north of the stadium where he arranged to meet his brother and friend? Even after Gerken was ejected, he sounded under control while talking to his younger brother on a cellphone, his father said “He said to his brother, ‘You stay at the game, I’ll walk over to Tailgaters, and you meet me at the end of the game,’ ” his father said. “Why would he go down that way?” his father asked. “Why would he go over the fence or around the fence? There’s no reason for him to go there. I don’t know why he wound up where he was found. Your guess is as good as mine.” There goes that case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts