/dev/null Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 We need some of that single payer NHS lovin on this side of the Atlantic http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Doctor-told-girl-broken-leg-walk/story-19582585-detail/story.html Walk it off kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 We need some of that single payer NHS lovin on this side of the Atlantic http://www.hulldaily...tail/story.html Walk it off kid Hard to believe a publication that can't even spell 'mom' correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 When you’ve lost Hollerin’ Howard Dean, it may be time to rethink some things. In 2009, Sarah Palin coined the term “death panels” as a more accurate name for Obamacare’s Independent Payment Advisory Board, or IPAB. Palin was widely ridiculed for her claim, but today, Howard Dean, of all people, is suggesting that she was on to something. After initially dismissing Palin’s credibility and assailing her for her remarks, the fist-pumping firebrand is coming out forcefully today against the IPAB: IPAB is a disaster in the making: One major problem is the so-called Independent Payment Advisory Board. The IPAB is essentially a health-care rationing body. By setting doctor reimbursement rates for Medicare and determining which procedures and drugs will be covered and at what price, the IPAB will be able to stop certain treatments its members do not favor by simply setting rates to levels where no doctor or hospital will perform them. … The IPAB will cause frustration to providers and patients alike, and it will fail to control costs. When, and if, the atmosphere on Capitol Hill improves and leadership becomes interested again in addressing real problems instead of posturing, getting rid of the IPAB is something Democrats and Republicans ought to agree on. and for those who lose their reasoning at the mere mention of her name, Here's the full text of Palin's Facebook post. Excerpt: The Democrats promise that a government health care system will reduce the cost of health care, but as the economist Thomas Sowell has pointed out, government health care will not reduce the cost; it will simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s “death panel” so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their “level of productivity in society,” whether they are worthy of health care. She doesn't say that the government will kill disabled (or elderly) persons directly, but that death will occur as a result of the decisions of cost controlling bureaucrats with the power to determine who can receive various treatments. Sounds like Howard agrees..........................lol . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 There ARE other alternatives to becoming a doctor, its silly to claim otherwise. Yep. There sure are. Let the job market handle it. Door swings both ways. And yes, I am all for playing chicken with the MD's. Shake the tree from the roots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Yep. There sure are. Let the job market handle it. Door swings both ways. And yes, I am all for playing chicken with the MD's. Shake the tree from the roots. Only an abject idiot would seek to disincentivize the best and brightest from entering into medical careers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Only an abject idiot would seek to disincentivize the best and brightest from entering into medical careers. Welcome to PPP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Yep. There sure are. Let the job market handle it. Door swings both ways. And yes, I am all for playing chicken with the MD's. Shake the tree from the roots. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH6bSjeqMHI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Only an abject idiot would seek to disincentivize the best and brightest from entering into medical careers. So true. The best an the brightest will continue to seek the profession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 So true. The best an the brightest will continue to seek the profession. Why the hell would they do that? You're taking away the monetary incentive relative to other professions requiring similar levels of education, you're severing the doctor/patient relationship and replacing it with bureaucratic guidelines, and you're removing the ability for small-business start-ups. You're making the dumbest argument I've ever read here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Why the hell would they do that? You're taking away the monetary incentive relative to other professions requiring similar levels of education, you're severing the doctor/patient relationship and replacing it with bureaucratic guidelines, and you're removing the ability for small-business start-ups. You're making the dumbest argument I've ever read here. Yes, now you are doing it. I've been watching this thread lately, and Now you see that you basically have to whip EII. There is no being nice, or discussing things intellectually. EII is like an M&M with a 10x thicker candy shell. Tapping it with a knife won't do it, you need a hammer, and when you finally squish him, you find very little inside. Yes, since EII places very little value on education(his posts are indicative), he doesn't see any reason why people that go to school for 12 years, rack up amazing amounts of debt, and have a wonderful insurance premium to pay as well, due to lawyer douchebaggery, should make more $ than he does. F being "rich", how about just "I need more money because I have massive bills to pay" practicality? Nah...the best and bright will just deal with that....and their bills will be carried away by Obama unicorns, just like every other problem Obama's "policy of should" creates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Why the hell would they do that? You're taking away the monetary incentive relative to other professions requiring similar levels of education, you're severing the doctor/patient relationship and replacing it with bureaucratic guidelines, and you're removing the ability for small-business start-ups. You're making the dumbest argument I've ever read here. We'll see if your hysteria pans out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Only an abject idiot would seek to disincentivize the best and brightest from entering into medical careers. but doctors are still making a ton of money... heck, internist make 150-200K, Dermatologists are making 300-400K.. for some Nerds this is a relatively easy way to make income in the top 3% of Americans, get the Presitige they may not get in the Business World, and unless you !@#$ up pretty bad is so secure its sick. I know a ton of MD who B word about how many hours they work, how tough the job is, etc... they make a ton money i compensation... so I tell them "wh not leave, you're really smart, go do something else".... they tell me this is all they know. As for kids in school, yes they will have to take on some debt to go to Medical School, but they will have to do that potnetially being a Lawyer, Accountant, heck even a top business school if they don't have company that pays for it... I judt buy the notion that HCR somehow negates what I stated above- brilliant people will still try to into the top Med Schools and go into careers that will set them up for th rest of their lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 So true. The best an the brightest will continue to seek the profession. So wrong, it's not even funny. Neither too will be the coming doctor shortage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 but doctors are still making a ton of money... heck, internist make 150-200K, Dermatologists are making 300-400K.. for some Nerds this is a relatively easy way to make income in the top 3% of Americans, get the Presitige they may not get in the Business World, and unless you !@#$ up pretty bad is so secure its sick. I know a ton of MD who B word about how many hours they work, how tough the job is, etc... they make a ton money i compensation... so I tell them "wh not leave, you're really smart, go do something else".... they tell me this is all they know. As for kids in school, yes they will have to take on some debt to go to Medical School, but they will have to do that potnetially being a Lawyer, Accountant, heck even a top business school if they don't have company that pays for it... I judt buy the notion that HCR somehow negates what I stated above- brilliant people will still try to into the top Med Schools and go into careers that will set them up for th rest of their lives. Exactly... That is all I am saying... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 We'll see if your hysteria pans out.Right... Because health, wellness and medical care are so trivial and unimportant that it really doesn't matter if do catastrophic damage to it's delivery and our ability access it. In fact, we should ignore the people who actually understand cause and effect, supply and demand, and workable business models when we do the catastrophic damage; because... well !@#$, because your medical care isn't all that important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Exactly... That is all I am saying... seems pretty resonable to me... its still a stable, predicatble career path in this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Right... Because health, wellness and medical care are so trivial and unimportant that it really doesn't matter if do catastrophic damage to it's delivery and our ability access it. In fact, we should ignore the people who actually understand cause and effect, supply and demand, and workable business models when we do the catastrophic damage; because... well !@#$, because your medical care isn't all that important. The quote the immortal Raygun: "There you go again." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 (edited) but doctors are still making a ton of money... heck, internist make 150-200K, Dermatologists are making 300-400K.. for some Nerds this is a relatively easy way to make income in the top 3% of Americans, get the Presitige they may not get in the Business World, and unless you !@#$ up pretty bad is so secure its sick. I know a ton of MD who B word about how many hours they work, how tough the job is, etc... they make a ton money i compensation... so I tell them "wh not leave, you're really smart, go do something else".... they tell me this is all they know. As for kids in school, yes they will have to take on some debt to go to Medical School, but they will have to do that potnetially being a Lawyer, Accountant, heck even a top business school if they don't have company that pays for it... I judt buy the notion that HCR somehow negates what I stated above- brilliant people will still try to into the top Med Schools and go into careers that will set them up for th rest of their lives. I see...so you're morally content to hold those who've already built their lives around helping and healing the sick and injured hostage because "they've got no where else to go"; and at the same time refuse to acnowledge the fundamental laws of economics? Did the President issue an executive order repealing them? Your argument is morally repulsive as well as ignorant. Edited July 30, 2013 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 seems pretty resonable to me... its still a stable, predicatble career path in this country. Yeah. How to get TYTT & his buddy OC off the rag? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 (edited) The quote the immortal Raygun: "There you go again." It's amazing that you're able to cram so much stupid into such a small mind. Edited July 30, 2013 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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