As Supported by the Buffalo BIlls No Open Containers of

[mrags]

 

 

You're right and I'm wondering if mrags's source is including ejections in his estimation. Because I've seen over a dozen people ejected at once. Those of you who regularly go to games must see security escorting people away all game long. I wouldn't be surprised if I heard that over 1,000 are ejected each week. Countless times over the time I've been a season ticket holder, I've heard security say things along the lines of "If you don't leave willingly right now, you'll be arrested."

 

While it may not be the most responsible thing to do, if the stadium is understaffed by security, the most practical thing may be for the security to simply send unruly fans on their way. It seems only the most egregious violators, or those that refuse to leave are the ones who wind up getting booked.

 

I think the hiring of more security is directly correlated to the death of a fan who was ejected, who probably should've been arrested or otherwise dealt with by law enforcement (or perhaps received medical attention), rather than just sent away to fend for himself in an extremely inebriated (incapacitated?) state.

I believe ejections may be included but FYI, many of the ejections end up being arrests. I'm not saying majority or anything like that. I have no numbers here. But I was told, when people are ejected, usually they are pissed about it. They either end up trying to get back in which ends in arrests. Or they get stupid in the Parkin lots and then the parking lot staff and or the Sheriffs deal with them accordingly. Either way, many of the ejections result in arrests, or tickets of some sort.

 

As far as the kid that died last year, they all hate that topic. It's a bogus story fed to the media and that's all I'm saying. Just don't believe what you read there.

 

Don't they tpically put the arrest numbers in the Buffalo paper on Monday (or even on WGR)?

 

I feel like I've them say "20 people were arrested at last nights game" which doesn't seem like a whole lot to me considering there are 70k people there!

 

And while there are a lot of drunken fools at Bills games, I've rarely felt threatened (except for those 2 - 4 times I was actually threatened). I go to events and concerts all around the country, a Bills game doesn't strike me as any crazier than that rest...

i think those "20" people you hear about are driving infractions leaving the game. DWIs, wreck less driving. Things like that.

 

There is a jail inside the stadium and its full on game days. From my inside source.

[Hammered a Lot]

Count me as one Canadian who likes to go to Bill's games to watch the game. I have seen too many Canadians who travel to games for the sole purpose of partying.

 

Consider the number of busloads of Canadians that come down to games. These busses are boarded, as early as 7:00 AM and the drinking starts as soon as they get on the bus. No wonder they are drunk when they get to the game.

 

I see these drunken idiots in the line at the stadium. Rarely are they refused entry. The security at RWS could save themselves a lot of trouble if they would stop these idiots at the gates.

I'm making a list of points made on this thread and will give them the to the recently appointed O.P. top .

Edited May 17, 2013 by Hammered a Lot

[mrags]

 

 

Mrags, thanks for the inside info. This was an interesting tidbit, especially the news that Brandon is pushing the NFL for more primetime, while the NFL pushes back. I really always thought conventional wisdom was Ralph hated night games because of the travel/work the next day burden on folks from Rochester and beyond.

 

Regarding stadium arrests/buffoonery, I'd speculate the Ralph to be close to the top, if not the chief offender on any list. Thats probably a given. All the other stadiums combined? It's possible, but I'd speculate off the top of my head that may be an exaggeration.

 

Still appreciate the inside scoop though. You mentioned there's other stories that for whatever reason you wouldn't want to share. Since this one collected four pages, I'd imagine I'm not the only one interested. Keep em coming.

your welcome.

 

Lots of fights. 30 man brawls in the bus parking lots. Pulling drunk Canadians off busses and not being able to do anything about it because of angry drunken mobs would just start major chaos if their buddy was hauled away. Stuff like that.

 

Tons, and tons of illegal merchandise. Jerseys, hats, stuff like that. People breaking into cars while the game is going. Happens much more than any of us would think.

[Hammered a Lot]

An unopened can is an open container violation? What

Not true. But a bottle of beer or a bottle of the hard stuff resealed or recapped is a violation.

 

your welcome.

 

Tons, and tons of illegal merchandise. Jerseys, hats, stuff like that. People breaking into cars while the game is going. Happens much more than any of us would think.

Not in Hammer's Lot

 

Yup. If you have a six pack and one of them breaks free from the plastic rings it also can be an open container violation. I don't know if you buy 6 packs or the tall 24oz cans but stores are required to bag them now otherwise you can be charge with an open container.

 

It's basically the officers choice whether to actually charge you for it or not.

Are you sure? I don't think so, not in N.Y the State perhaps in N.Y. the city

Edited May 17, 2013 by Hammered a Lot

[mrags]

Not in Hammer's Lot

thats why your lot is officially my tailgate lot from now on. Unless I'm meeting up with people and they have their own spot. But that usually only happens once or twice a year.

 

Your stuck with me brother.

Edited May 17, 2013 by mrags

[Hammered a Lot]

thats why your lot is officially my tailgate lot from now on. Unless I'm meeting up with people and they have their own spot. But that usually only happens once or twice a year.

 

Your stuck with me brother.

Unless your meeting other people in their spot ! WTF is that. They should be meeting YOU in your spot.

[mrags]

 

Unless your meeting other people in their spot ! WTF is that. They should be meeting YOU in your spot.

Your absolutely right man. But once or twice a year I have friends come to games that know people from out of town and stuff like that and I can't get them to change their plans. The last few years I've been kind of like a nomad without a home until last season at your place. So well see how things go from now on.

[uncle flap]

I believe ejections may be included but FYI, many of the ejections end up being arrests. I'm not saying majority or anything like that. I have no numbers here. But I was told, when people are ejected, usually they are pissed about it. They either end up trying to get back in which ends in arrests. Or they get stupid in the Parkin lots and then the parking lot staff and or the Sheriffs deal with them accordingly. Either way, many of the ejections result in arrests, or tickets of some sort.

 

As far as the kid that died last year, they all hate that topic. It's a bogus story fed to the media and that's all I'm saying. Just don't believe what you read there.

 

i think those "20" people you hear about are driving infractions leaving the game. DWIs, wreck less driving. Things like that.

 

There is a jail inside the stadium and its full on game days. From my inside source.

 

My mistake- I didn't mean "Ejections" in the official sense, as in someone is forced to leave by security.

 

Rather the scenario that I see all the time is a security guy and/or state police and/or county sherriff "suggest" that a fan (or group of fans) get lost, and then kind of following them toward the exit, to make sure they "choose" to leave.

 

Maybe I'm splitting hairs, but it's basically the difference between asking someone to leave and then ushering them to the gate vs making someone leave and physically escorting them to the gate.

 

I've see plenty of both, but I imagine one scenario is documented and the other isn't. My seasons are in the Rockpile, so I probably see more of this than the average stadium goer.

 

And yeah, I just used that poor guy as an example, but the point I was trying to make rings true with what you say. People that are ejected should probably be detained in the first place so they don't go on to cause additional problems like the ones you mentioned.

[San Jose Bills Fan]

Count me as one Canadian who likes to go to Bill's games to watch the game. I have seen too many Canadians who travel to games for the sole purpose of partying. Consider the number of busloads of Canadians that come down to games. These busses are boarded, as early as 7:00 AM and the drinking starts as soon as they get on the bus. No wonder they are drunk when they get to the game. I see these drunken idiots in the line at the stadium. Rarely are they refused entry. The security at RWS could save themselves a lot of trouble if they would stop these idiots at the gates.

 

Well now we're getting somewhere.

 

Party busses loaded with people who don't have to worry about driving to and from the game.

 

I wonder how easy/difficult it is for these busses to cross the border.

 

I'm guessing that they're virtually waved through sometimes.

[Just Jack]

Well now we're getting somewhere.

 

Party busses loaded with people who don't have to worry about driving to and from the game.

 

I wonder how easy/difficult it is for these busses to cross the border.

 

I'm guessing that they're virtually waved through sometimes.

 

I don't know about party buses, but when I took Mega Bus across the border, it was almost an hour getting into Canada at customs, and three hours getting back into the US.

[mrags]

 

 

I don't know about party buses, but when I took Mega Bus across the border, it was almost an hour getting into Canada at customs, and three hours getting back into the US.

was that because they stopped and searched the bus? Or because of traffic?

[MarkyMannn]

Just watching my sons and their friends now that they are in their 20's, the party is the primary attraction, the game is secondary. Maybe because the Bills are a terrible product. More people than you think go to the lots to party that do not even have tickets to the game

[BillnutinHouston]

Unfortunately, that's what it has become. The product on the Field isn't good enough, people wanna get together an go to these games and drinking seems to be the only relief for some fans...

 

Does this explain the PRE-GAME heavy drinking? IMHO, many people see a Bills game as a community party and an excuse to get stupid.

[The Wiz]

Are you sure? I don't think so, not in N.Y the State perhaps in N.Y. the city

Maybe I am thinking of NYC but the way I understood was it's up to the officers interpretation of the open container law. If a beer isn't bagged they are allowed to assume that your intention is to drink the beer immediately which would therefore violate the law.

 

If anyone wants to give it a try this fall let me know

[CodeMonkey]

Well now we're getting somewhere.

 

Party busses loaded with people who don't have to worry about driving to and from the game.

 

I wonder how easy/difficult it is for these busses to cross the border.

 

I'm guessing that they're virtually waved through sometimes.

I have seen party buses from Toronto and Montreal at Sabres games many times.

Bars generally set them up and it's all you can drink all the way to Buffalo.

I have talked to some people who were on the buses and they said it was a great deal for them.

Their entire cost was less than what it would cost just to get a ticket in Toronto or Montreal.

 

One of the guys told me once that 2 "kids" on their bus got so hammered on the way that arena security in Buffalo refused them entrance.

That's the smart thing for security to do.

I have seen people so hammered at the Ralph they could barely stand, but if they had a ticket they were allowed in.

[Just Jack]

was that because they stopped and searched the bus? Or because of traffic?

 

The bus was searched both ways.

 

Typical scenario

Bus pulls up to special area of customs.

Everyone gets off with their luggage and goes into building to be questioned by customs officer

While that's being done, customs people are searching bus

If everything is okay, everyone and their luggage reload onto the bus and you're off

 

What happened -

Going into Canada, one person had to go through additional questioning/screening so we had to wait for her to get done

 

Coming back into the US, we had to wait our turn, their was 2 or 3 buses ahead of us, and that took at least an hour.

(During that hour we got to see 8 Customs Officers surround a car and take two women out of it. Not quite pull them out to the ground, and cuff them, but exciting none the less)

Once we got in, several young people decided to be funny with the Customs Officers, and two guys got pulled into another area because "something is not right with their passports". After waiting a while, the bus driver (already three hours behind his scheduled arrival at the Buffalo bus terminal because of this) said they could be there a few more hours, so they'll have to find their own way home and left.

[San Jose Bills Fan]

Thanks JJ.

 

I wonder if your experience is par for the course for a bus loaded with drunks crossing the border.

[beerme1]

I'm still not quite understanding this. Well I undersatnd what they want to do. But how are they going to enforce it and why? Lets say 15,000 are walking with a beer or two and then what 100 Sheriffs Officers are going to herd that group into a corner?

Stupid and pointless law they are trying to implement and certainly wont curb any behaviour issues.

[San Jose Bills Fan]

I'm still not quite understanding this. Well I undersatnd what they want to do. But how are they going to enforce it and why? Lets say 15,000 are walking with a beer or two and then what 100 Sheriffs Officers are going to herd that group into a corner?

Stupid and pointless law they are trying to implement and certainly wont curb any behaviour issues.

 

I see your points but do you think there's a problem with public drunkenness at Bills games?

 

If so, what solutions would you offer?

[The Wiz]

I'm still not quite understanding this. Well I undersatnd what they want to do. But how are they going to enforce it and why? Lets say 15,000 are walking with a beer or two and then what 100 Sheriffs Officers are going to herd that group into a corner?

Stupid and pointless law they are trying to implement and certainly wont curb any behaviour issues.

It's similar to a situation my father was in when I was younger. We were parked along lake erie for the 4th and my father parked his truck the opposite way so we could sit in the back and watch the fireworks. A cop came by and gave him a ticket for parking the wrong way. Almost immediately people were asking about all the cars on the other side of the street and all the side streets that were parked there and why they weren't being ticketed.

 

The cop ended up leaving and didn't come back the rest of the night and my father paid the $50 ticket with a ziploc bag of pennies.

 

In either situation, I could see things ending very poorly if the fans (didn't want to put up with it). Similar to my college days http://rochester.ynn...bdue-rit-crowd/

Edited May 17, 2013 by The Wiz