Kellyto83TD Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 If Barkley came out last year, there would have been debate about who would be the 2nd QB off the board, him or RG3. Seems silly now but it just as silly that a year later, MB is a bum. I get your point but if you don't have a QB in this league, you're severely limited. IMO, I'd rather get a solid starting NFL QB in the 1st than an all pro guard. QB trumps everything. Outstanding post. Picking a QB this year is like buying $20 worth of lottery tickets every week hoping to score the million dollar winner when your kids are going hungry and have holes in their shoes. I would rather take that $20 and feed my kids and get them new shoes than gamble on the fantasy of the big win. The Bills are a team that has kids going hungry and that have holes in their shoes. Fix the team now instead of gambling away the future on the fantasy. Bull crap. There is no other way to say it considering how off your post is. But then again there is no talking to you because you pray at the altar of ESPN and NFLN And any other media outlet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 If Barkley came out last year, there would have been debate about who would be the 2nd QB off the board, him or RG3. Seems silly now but it just as silly that a year later, MB is a bum. I get your point but if you don't have a QB in this league, you're severely limited. IMO, I'd rather get a solid starting NFL QB in the 1st than an all pro guard. QB trumps everything. You are astute! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 If Barkley came out last year, there would have been debate about who would be the 2nd QB off the board, him or RG3. Seems silly now but it just as silly that a year later, MB is a bum. I get your point but if you don't have a QB in this league, you're severely limited. IMO, I'd rather get a solid starting NFL QB in the 1st than an all pro guard. QB trumps everything. A year later he has been exposed as just not that good and injury-prone on top of that... add in the history of USC QBs and it's not a miracle he has slid... Jake Locker was hyped much the same way and came back as well.... I'm not overly impressed with him as a pro so far either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnywo Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 (edited) Credible source says OL/LB top of the board if they can trade out..... Edited April 25, 2013 by johnnywo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 A year later he has been exposed as just not that good and injury-prone on top of that... add in the history of USC QBs and it's not a miracle he has slid... Jake Locker was hyped much the same way and came back as well.... I'm not overly impressed with him as a pro so far either. 1) He missed 4 games in 4 years as a starting QB!!! How is that injury plague? Tom Brady and Manning missed entire years. I guess they are injury plague too. 2) The QB everyone talks about waiting for is Johnny Football. Barkley lost a very good LT this year. Guess what Johnny Football is losing? That's why I hate the wait for next year approach. 3) There is 0 comparison between Locker and Barkley. None. Locker completed 54% of his passes and had a 53-35 td to int ratio. His season high in tds was 21. Barkley is a bum because he threw 36 tds while missing 2 games. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Locker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 If Barkley came out last year, there would have been debate about who would be the 2nd QB off the board, him or RG3. Seems silly now but it just as silly that a year later, MB is a bum. I don't think that is true at all. A bunch of people are saying that. But Barkley didn't have to go through the scrutiny of scouts and draftniks breaking down his game to game tape and picking on his play and they would have come to the same conclusion about his arm and mobility. He MAY have gone before Tannehill but probably not because of the Sherman connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellyto83TD Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Credible source says OL/LB top of the board if they can trade out..... That will help ensure another 5-6 win season 1) He missed 4 games in 4 years as a starting QB!!! How is that injury plague? Tom Brady and Manning missed entire years. I guess they are injury plague too. 2) The QB everyone talks about waiting for is Johnny Football. Barkley lost a very good LT this year. Guess what Johnny Football is losing? That's why I hate the wait for next year approach. 3) There is 0 comparison between Locker and Barkley. None. Locker completed 54% of his passes and had a 53-35 td to int ratio. His season high in tds was 21. Barkley is a bum because he threw 36 tds while missing 2 games. http://en.wikipedia....iki/Jake_Locker Good post. And Johny Football is going to get exposed this year, plus his attitude and lack of maturity really bothers me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 That's true.. but Barkley was considered a top 5 talent only a year ago. Did he lose all of his talent in a year? I dont think so. Taking Russell Wilson in round 3 last year didn't make him less talented. The truth is, it doesn't matter where you draft a QB if he can play. If the Bill's brass thinks one of these guys can play, I dont really care where we take him. I just hope they're right. I agree. I hope they are right, but I see the Bills taking the WRONG QB at 8. Mark it. Like the OP said, taking a QB high, (Blane Gabbert, Ponder anyone) does not make them a better player. I like plenty of the QB's in the later rounds, and hope they will take one then. I think any of these are equivalent QB's: Nassib, Smith, Barkley, Dysert. One of them will be around in rd. 2 or 3. In fact, I'd go Warmack, Woods, then QB. Give the QB some protection and weapons. Heck, with protection and weapons I'm not yet ready to write off Kolb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
symbiant Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Another factor is that I think first round picks get an extra year in their contract than 2nd rounders... which means IMHO, there will be a ton of QB trades at the end of round 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 (edited) 1) He missed 4 games in 4 years as a starting QB!!! How is that injury plague? Tom Brady and Manning missed entire years. I guess they are injury plague too. 2) The QB everyone talks about waiting for is Johnny Football. Barkley lost a very good LT this year. Guess what Johnny Football is losing? That's why I hate the wait for next year approach. 3) There is 0 comparison between Locker and Barkley. None. Locker completed 54% of his passes and had a 53-35 td to int ratio. His season high in tds was 21. Barkley is a bum because he threw 36 tds while missing 2 games. http://en.wikipedia....iki/Jake_Locker Don't be blind I don't care about # of games missed - I care about what the injury was... He had a season ending shoulder injury on his throwing shoulder - torn ligaments thus putting him at risk for re-injury.. if that happens week 1 he is out for the season.. so your point of # of games is meaningless. I was simply comparing Locker decision to come back to Barkley's and how in both cases - their stock fell pretty hard. Barkley will slide in this draft. Also, you freak because I compared him to Locker, but yet you compare him to Brady and Manning... gg dude. Edited April 25, 2013 by kobe808lak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bananathumb Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Taking a QB in the first round when you could have got him in the 2nd-6th rounds is stupid, but that's the Bills' way. Panic city, USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Taking a QB in the first round when you could have got him in the 2nd-6th rounds is stupid, but that's the Bills' way. Panic city, USA. Do you really think you, or anyone in the world, can accurately pick who will be available when you draft in the 2nd or 3rd round, let alone 4-6? Not to mention that you have about a 2% chance of getting a franchise QB in rounds 3-6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bananathumb Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Do you really think you, or anyone in the world, can accurately pick who will be available when you draft in the 2nd or 3rd round, let alone 4-6? Not to mention that you have about a 2% chance of getting a franchise QB in rounds 3-6. They are basically interchangeable and only one or two will be picked by 41, so why spend a first round pick on somebody (or his equivalent) you can later? If you agree with Nix that there are several franchise QBs in this draft, you are just kidding yourself. (Now I must admit, if he reached for Manuel at 8, I wouldn't blame him. Anyone else would be panicking.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 They are basically interchangeable and only one or two will be picked by 41, so why spend a first round pick on somebody (or his equivalent) you can later? If you agree with Nix that there are several franchise QBs in this draft, you are just kidding yourself. (Now I must admit, if he reached for Manuel at 8, I wouldn't blame him. Anyone else would be panicking.) Let's bet that three or more QBs will be taken before the #41 pick the Bills have in round two. I'll take that there will be three or more, for any amount of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Don't be blind I don't care about # of games missed - I care about what the injury was... He had a season ending shoulder injury on his throwing shoulder - torn ligaments thus putting him at risk for re-injury.. if that happens week 1 he is out for the season.. so your point of # of games is meaningless. I was simply comparing Locker decision to come back to Barkley's and how in both cases - their stock fell pretty hard. Barkley will slide in this draft. Also, you freak because I compared him to Locker, but yet you compare him to Brady and Manning... gg dude. The question is, why did Barkley's stock slide and is it rational? His production was there in his senior season. http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/stats/_/id/480322/matt-barkley Is he being punished for USC's poorer record in 2012? How much of that is on his play rather than depleted talent after the 2011 draft and the loss of scholarships? Were Barkley a stock, solid value move in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 No no no... Bills not picking those guys in rounds 2 or 3 was the bad move. Not taking them in round 1 was the RIGHT move. If the Bengals take Dalton in round 1, they don't get AJ Green!! And then Dalton sux and don't make the playoffs and they look stupid and draft a new QB. If SD drafts Brees in top 5, they don't get Ladanian Tomlinson... and would proceed to suck. Kaepernick in first and they don't get Aldon Smith. Those teams were smart taking QB at value spots, not for reaching, and allowing themselves to put talent around that QB. If there is THE GUY take him, but if you feel yer just taking a chance, take him in the 2nd. Wow, thanks...you expressed perfectly what I've been stumbling over in convos with fellow-Bills-fan friends -- my issues with this whole mentality of a team having to take a QB in first round if they need one. Nicely done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brainiac21 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Wow, thanks...you expressed perfectly what I've been stumbling over in convos with fellow-Bills-fan friends -- my issues with this whole mentality of a team having to take a QB in first round if they need one. Nicely done! thanks.. unfortunately it's probably a losing battle here. if you love a QB, and feel really sure about him, this isn't an issue. but taking a chance on someone at expense of someone that is more of sure thing isn't the way to build. i want one too but EVALUATING the QB's, and the other players, properly is the key... not just taking one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 thanks.. unfortunately it's probably a losing battle here. if you love a QB, and feel really sure about him, this isn't an issue. but taking a chance on someone at expense of someone that is more of sure thing isn't the way to build. i want one too but EVALUATING the QB's, and the other players, properly is the key... not just taking one. That's very true. They made the right evaluation, had the guts to make the choice, and pretty much lucked out that their hunch proved correct. If they really knew, all of their other picks would be right on the money, too. The problem is, you cannot trust the other teams ahead of you to not think the same about those players as you do. So if, say, you knew Kap was going to be Kap, you could never ever wait until the 2nd to take him, Ultimately, however, you are right. It doesn't matter where you draft players, you have to make the right evaluations and selections. It just gets exponentially harder to hit on those QBs after the top of the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 I'm the opposite. If the Bills do not draft a QB tonight, i will be furious. They've ignored the position for so long. Do something NOW! Hopefully they have a choice of QB's but it's possible that Jax, Cleve, Philly, Ariz and maybe even KC reach for QB's and leave the Bills with no choice but to draft another position?!? Should be interesting but i want a QB. If you like someone in 2014 then draft another one then. Don't bank on 2014 now. I want them to draft a QB, but is drafting a QB because they failed to address in the past a good idea? Drafting a QB to draft a QB, seems like a poor reason. Would you still want them to do something NOW, if you you were blessed with clairvoyance and knew the QB they selected was going to a middling quasi starter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brainiac21 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 That's very true. They made the right evaluation, had the guts to make the choice, and pretty much lucked out that their hunch proved correct. If they really knew, all of their other picks would be right on the money, too. The problem is, you cannot trust the other teams ahead of you to not think the same about those players as you do. So if, say, you knew Kap was going to be Kap, you could never ever wait until the 2nd to take him, Ultimately, however, you are right. It doesn't matter where you draft players, you have to make the right evaluations and selections. It just gets exponentially harder to hit on those QBs after the top of the first round. But going back to my Dalton example, where would he be without them also taking AJ Green in the first? Maybe nowhere, maybe looking like a bust. They were much better off doing what they did, rather than taking Dalton in 1st and then some 2nd round WR. The Bills mistakes were not rating Kaep higher than Aaron W., and not having R.Wilson higher than TJ, etc.. or maybe just overvaluing Fitz. if you can't evaluate players/QB's, then ok... i guess you might want to go ahead and take 'em way early, but i also think then it really doesn't matter in that case, yer probably going to stink anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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