Rob's House Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Probably because they managed not KILL anyone in a fiery crash. If they had, would you feel the same? This shouldn't hurt his draft stock, but let's not portray drunk-driving as some benign offense. It can be LETHAL, and often times is. Read 2 posts above the one I'm quoting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmo Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 These two incidents are not comparable in my thinking. The first guy is of minimal danger; I don't consider what he did any more dangerous than someone driving recklessly, probably even less so because he was being careful. The girl, on the other hand, is a danger to society and needs to be dealt with much more harshly. But we, as a society, tend to see "DUI" and apply the same label to both. I agree, while any kind of drunk driving is illegal as it should be, we shouldn't be lumping these two kinds of people together. There are those that get caught that were just unlucky to get caught and would have driven home completely safe without endangering anyone and there's the kinds that irresponsibly put random people in serious danger. It's pretty much impossible for a cop to be able to discern between the two, which is why we have the laws in place, but we should hold off on judging the person's character until we know how reckless the person really is. Now reading about Ogletree it sounds like he might be more like the second person you mentioned, the story I read says he was weaving in and out of lanes and that's why he was pulled over. Also he should know that his behavior is under a microscope now that he is projected to be a first round pick but we still shouldn't judge too harshly until we know all the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 I've never had a DUI (knock on wood) To expand a bit: I know a guy who just got a DUI. He blew .09 and was pulled for going 10 mph over on a very wide and empty 45 mph zone. He drinks frequently, has a high tolerance, and is a good dude. This is not the guy that's going to kill a family. By contrast, I know a girl who got a DUI driving like a maniac, speeding through red lights, with a baby in the back who wasn't even strapped into the car seat, while over double the legal limit. She is the type to get people killed. These two incidents are not comparable in my thinking. The first guy is of minimal danger; I don't consider what he did any more dangerous than someone driving recklessly, probably even less so because he was being careful. The girl, on the other hand, is a danger to society and needs to be dealt with much more harshly. But we, as a society, tend to see "DUI" and apply the same label to both. <p>Not trying to pile on you here, but I STRONGLY disagree with this thought process. I may me wrong, but I can't see a scenario where a "careful" drunk driver should be tolerated. -I just don't believe there is such a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 (edited) <p>Not trying to pile on you here, but I STRONGLY disagree with this thought process. I may me wrong, but I can't see a scenario where a "careful" drunk driver should be tolerated. -I just don't believe there is such a thing. I don't mind the pile on. I think you have an opinion that's been emotionally driven due to a past experience, which I don't fault you for, but it does take away from the objective rationality of your position. I agree, while any kind of drunk driving is illegal as it should be, we shouldn't be lumping these two kinds of people together. There are those that get caught that were just unlucky to get caught and would have driven home completely safe without endangering anyone and there's the kinds that irresponsibly put random people in serious danger. It's pretty much impossible for a cop to be able to discern between the two, which is why we have the laws in place, but we should hold off on judging the person's character until we know how reckless the person really is. Now reading about Ogletree it sounds like he might be more like the second person you mentioned, the story I read says he was weaving in and out of lanes and that's why he was pulled over. Also he should know that his behavior is under a microscope now that he is projected to be a first round pick but we still shouldn't judge too harshly until we know all the facts. This may well be true. I probably overstated by saying it is a "non-issue" and should have stated that without knowing the details a DUI arrest alone doesn't necessarily tell us a lot about his character. Edited February 18, 2013 by Rob's House Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmo Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 This may well be true. I probably overstated by saying it is a "non-issue" and should have stated that without knowing the details a DUI arrest alone doesn't necessarily tell us a lot about his character. Exactly, there's no need to jump to conclusions like he should never play for our team or in the league at all, whatever "not be tolerated" means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 I don't mind the pile on. I think you have an opinion that's been emotionally driven due to a past experience, which I don't fault you for, but it does take away from the objective rationality of your position. I've never had a DUI, but yes, I have driven drunk, and could have killed people. Do you seriously want to be "that guy"? -The one so sure of his drunk driving skills that he believes the kid he ran over would've been hit regardless? I'll never do it again, because it's just not worth it. If that makes me irrational, then so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 I understand that he's a kid, and I don't think this will count too much against him in the draft. However, the truth is that we're one screeching, brake-stand away from an entirely different conversation. -That's the truth about alcohol and cars. When I get soused, I either hoof-it home, or call my wife for a ride, OR (If she refuses to come .) I call a cab... It ain't that hard. Sure beats sobering-up ina 6x9 cell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobillsgrl Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 I still think there will be 3 guys drafted in RD1 who have an arrest record: Ogletree, Damontre Moore, and Okafor. I really like okafor............I don't think he will fall to us later tho. But would love to have him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 runs a 4.62 forty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baba Booey Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Some character issues to overcome, but great athlete and a postion we desperatley need. I think should be our pick at #8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Some character issues to overcome, but great athlete and a postion we desperatley need. I think should be our pick at #8. Yeah Shep kills me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
808 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 ogletree woud be awesome for us. just doubt nix will pick him bcause of the off field stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 ogletree woud be awesome for us. just doubt nix will pick him bcause of the off field stuff Maybe we need a few bada-----. These fine young fellas don`t seem to be working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanCity Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Maybe we need a few bada-----. These fine young fellas don`t seem to be working. That's the sense that I get too. Fine, upstanding young men are great for the community...but winning is better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProbablyWrong Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 My top choice for #8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 21, 2013 Author Share Posted March 21, 2013 (edited) Maybe we need a few bada-----. These fine young fellas don`t seem to be working. Failed drug tests and a DUI make him a bada--? Edited March 21, 2013 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 Failed drug tests and a DUI make him a bada--? You ask him.I`m not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 22, 2013 Author Share Posted March 22, 2013 You ask him.I`m not. Sounds more like a dumba-- If he can play he can play but.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 Sounds more like a dumba-- If he can play he can play but.... You wouldn`t like Ray Lewis .He must be a dumb a--. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Fan888 Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 That's the sense that I get too. Fine, upstanding young men are great for the community...but winning is better! When you have people like Rolando Mclain it makes you think twice about these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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