Dean Cain Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Shouldn't we be discussing how to kill the Patriots? Looking at the 2013 Patriots free agents it's obvious the Patriots are vulnerable to mass defections at key positions of strength, and key positions where they are weak. The Bills would be wise to target the Patriots at their core. Here is what I'm proposing: #1 Offer our 2nd & 3rd round pick in 2014 for Ryan Mallett #2 Sign Wes Welker WR #3 Sign Julian Edelman WR #4 Sign Sebastian Vollmer T #5 Sign Aqib Talib CB Now I know we aren't going to get all 5 of these guys, but the idea is we can make the Patriots weaker by: A - forcing them to pay more to retain their talent, B - taking their talent making them weaker and us stronger, & C - eliminating their depth at key positions QB, WR, T, CB while adding to ours. Here is my rationale further explained: Quarterback: Mallett IMO is a guy they have confidence in to step in for Brady much like Cassel did in 2008. At the very least Mallett should be a guy who could play backup in Buffalo and possibly be a strong starter at a Flacco level. Also such a move would weaken New England's depth and further stretch out their resources at QB. The worse case scenario if we were to acquire Mallett would be that he sucks and we'd lose a couple of draft picks that Nix was likely to miss on anyway. Furthermore the Bills aren't likely to get Geno Smith a QB many consider to be the #1 overall pick in the draft Wide Receiver: The Patriots have so many weapons, but many of them are Tight Ends. Edelman & Welker are slot receivers who do so much for New England underneath. Further more Welker has just set an NFL record 5 100 catch seasons. Welker will be 33 next season, but he hasn't shown any signs of slowing down. Eliminating these receivers and adding them to our roster would also free up space for Johnson. Offensive Tackle: The Bills could benefit from Vollmer who is better suited at RT. The Bills have zero rushing touchdowns rushing outside of their right guard. Vollmer is valuable asset and won't come cheap. He will likely be the #2 sought after T in FA outside of Jake Long. Cornerback: The Patriots #1 weakness has been at corner the past 5 years. Taking Talib would further deplete their secondary and allow the Bills to move away from the McGee & possibly make McKelvin expendable. Go Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meathead Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 #1 drop a daisy cutter on marcias house thats the only way youre gonna stop them. hes a one man team and the only reason belicheat isnt the painfully mediocre surly nobody he always has been no idea why that came out underlined but it does look dramatic doesnt it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Cain Posted December 20, 2012 Author Share Posted December 20, 2012 #1 drop a daisy cutter on marcias house thats the only way youre gonna stop them. hes a one man team and the only reason belicheat isnt the painfully mediocre surly nobody he always has been no idea why that came out underlined but it does look dramatic doesnt it Your thought process is why we suck. Marcia aka Mr. Tom Brady is a system quarterback who has a strong football iq, is ultra competitive, strong armed & deadly accurate. Taking away Brady's strengths Welker, Edelman, Vollmer would hurt him. Perhaps you under estimate the talent assembled around him? Gronk & Hernandez would be forced to do more work & those 2 haven't proven themselves to be durable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ko12010 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 #1 drop a daisy cutter on marcias house thats the only way youre gonna stop them. hes a one man team and the only reason belicheat isnt the painfully mediocre surly nobody he always has been no idea why that came out underlined but it does look dramatic doesnt it I have no idea why people ever try and say something like this. If anything, Belichek made Brady, imo. Yeah Belichek was mediocre in Cleveland but seriously, who hasn't been there? Belichek is one of the best coaches ever and if Brady is drafted by any of the other 31 teams, he's out of the league in 5 years. Belichek gave Brady a shot and helped develop him into a star. Brady ran with it, having that inner fortitude and motivation that all-time greats always have. There's no one without the other, they both needed each other, but Belichek certainly started Brady on his current trajectory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 I like your premise, and though its probably out of the realm of the possibility, I think we should try and focus on getting some of their parts too. Not the Mallet thing though, I wouldn't do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Cain Posted December 20, 2012 Author Share Posted December 20, 2012 I like your premise, and though its probably out of the realm of the possibility, I think we should try and focus on getting some of their parts too. Not the Mallet thing though, I wouldn't do that. Piece by piece. Every team in the division should gang up on the Pats. In 3 years they would be decimated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Bad idea. That team has been interchanging parts (with the exception of Brady) for the last 10+ years, and has very little dropoff. I personally think Wes Welker is tremendously overrated. You could plug pretty much any fast slot receiver into his position and get roughly the same results. Somebody is going to pay the guy a ton of money, and they are going to be very disappointed. I really would have liked to see us take a shot at Mallet two years ago, but I would hate to send draft picks to New England - especially higher picks than what we could have had him at two years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealityCheck Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 I have no idea why people ever try and say something like this. If anything, Belichek made Brady, imo. Yeah Belichek was mediocre in Cleveland but seriously, who hasn't been there? Belichek is one of the best coaches ever and if Brady is drafted by any of the other 31 teams, he's out of the league in 5 years. Belichek gave Brady a shot and helped develop him into a star. Brady ran with it, having that inner fortitude and motivation that all-time greats always have. There's no one without the other, they both needed each other, but Belichek certainly started Brady on his current trajectory. Good stuff. Meathead's opinion is wrong but your stack of assumptions is right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Cain Posted December 20, 2012 Author Share Posted December 20, 2012 Bad idea. That team has been interchanging parts (with the exception of Brady) for the last 10+ years, and has very little dropoff. I personally think Wes Welker is tremendously overrated. You could plug pretty much any fast slot receiver into his position and get roughly the same results. Somebody is going to pay the guy a ton of money, and they are going to be very disappointed. I really would have liked to see us take a shot at Mallet two years ago, but I would hate to send draft picks to New England - especially higher picks than what we could have had him at two years ago. How is Welker overated? Just set NFL record for most 100 catch seasons. What are your thoughts on Talib, Vollmer, Edelman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloNick Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Here is what I'm proposing: #1 Offer our 2nd & 3rd round pick in 2014 for Ryan Mallett #2 Sign Wes Welker WR #3 Sign Julian Edelman WR #4 Sign Sebastian Vollmer T #5 Sign Aqib Talib CB Go Bills! IMO..... The biggest benefit would be picking up Mallet. Since I don't see anyone in the draft that would be an immediate impact. Welker or Edelman will be nothing to brag about with the Bills. They are only good because of there environment and would be just another WR on a team with an average QB. Any decent WR would be good with Tom Brady. They switch WR all the time. I believe in our O line but if Vollmer came cheap then I would take him. We don't need that sorry CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Tom Brady is a system quarterback This does not logically lead into.... who has a strong football iq, is ultra competitive, strong armed & deadly accurate. ...this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny33 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Shouldn't we be discussing how to kill the Patriots? Looking at the 2013 Patriots free agents it's obvious the Patriots are vulnerable to mass defections at key positions of strength, and key positions where they are weak. The Bills would be wise to target the Patriots at their core. Here is what I'm proposing: #1 Offer our 2nd & 3rd round pick in 2014 for Ryan Mallett #2 Sign Wes Welker WR #3 Sign Julian Edelman WR #4 Sign Sebastian Vollmer T #5 Sign Aqib Talib CB Now I know we aren't going to get all 5 of these guys, but the idea is we can make the Patriots weaker by: A - forcing them to pay more to retain their talent, B - taking their talent making them weaker and us stronger, & C - eliminating their depth at key positions QB, WR, T, CB while adding to ours. Here is my rationale further explained: Quarterback: Mallett IMO is a guy they have confidence in to step in for Brady much like Cassel did in 2008. At the very least Mallett should be a guy who could play backup in Buffalo and possibly be a strong starter at a Flacco level. Also such a move would weaken New England's depth and further stretch out their resources at QB. The worse case scenario if we were to acquire Mallett would be that he sucks and we'd lose a couple of draft picks that Nix was likely to miss on anyway. Furthermore the Bills aren't likely to get Geno Smith a QB many consider to be the #1 overall pick in the draft Wide Receiver: The Patriots have so many weapons, but many of them are Tight Ends. Edelman & Welker are slot receivers who do so much for New England underneath. Further more Welker has just set an NFL record 5 100 catch seasons. Welker will be 33 next season, but he hasn't shown any signs of slowing down. Eliminating these receivers and adding them to our roster would also free up space for Johnson. Offensive Tackle: The Bills could benefit from Vollmer who is better suited at RT. The Bills have zero rushing touchdowns rushing outside of their right guard. Vollmer is valuable asset and won't come cheap. He will likely be the #2 sought after T in FA outside of Jake Long. Cornerback: The Patriots #1 weakness has been at corner the past 5 years. Taking Talib would further deplete their secondary and allow the Bills to move away from the McGee & possibly make McKelvin expendable. Go Bills! If the Patriots think Mallett is actually a good QB, there is zero chance they are trading him within the division. This idea is ludicrous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Front Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 None of these guys would play well anywhere else. Whenever players and coaches from the Pats go to another team they do not have the same success as they did in the Pat's "system." Mark my words, we'll be lucky if we get 4 or 5 sacks out of Mark Anderson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 (edited) I blame ralph for this thread. So sad.... Edited December 20, 2012 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 I always liked Mallett and was PO'd that the Bills didn't select him. It's kinda' rough for Mallett too as i think he could be starting right now for a handful of teams (including Buffalo) instead of sitting on the bench indefinitely behind the Legend that is Tom Brady. I seriously doubt the Pats would trade him in-division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Cain Posted December 20, 2012 Author Share Posted December 20, 2012 (edited) This does not logically lead into.... ...this. The idea of my OP was to have an intelligent discussion on how to take away Brady's weapons. I believe the reason why Brady is good in the Patriots system is because he possesses those qualities. In no way does that make him the same QB as Manning or Rodgers. Brady is not the same down the field passer that Brees, Manning, or Rodgers are. Brady completes most of his passes underneath and beats you deep when you get tired of being bludgeoned to death with all the short passes and runs. But no feel free to say he is not a system quarterback and while your at it neither is Matt Cassel. Let's call the Patriots bluff. If they are so enamored with Mallett then they won't trade him. If they decide he is movable as they did Drew Bledsoe then we will benefit & the Patriots will be without their #2 QB. Edited December 20, 2012 by BigCountryBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsrhody Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 I'm not sure why Talib is on that list.. the patriots just signed him a few weeks ago and he is in no way an integral part of the team. I wouldn't want to pay Welker the kind of money he will demand on the open market. Edelman is the 6th receiving option on that team, at best. He would not be missed in the offense. Mallet is an interesting one.. although its probably the least likely of all of them. Volmer would be a welcome addition, but I doubt the pats are willing to part with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 IF you take Brady off the Pats, the AFC might have a below .500 team win the division. The Bills averaged 30+ against them. How many teams can go 2-0 giving up more than 30 points to a team? Brady is a feminine snob but he is one of the greatest QBs to ever play this game. I laugh at people trying to say Brady isn't that good. He's played with a lot of crappy receivers and wins every year. He is the single reason Belichick became a genius after being Jauron like in Cleveland. The PAts drafts may have been worse than the Bills the last 5 years. I think Fitz gets too much blame but if you swap QBs, we're the playoff team and the Pats are 5-9 at best. It's really that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ko12010 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Good stuff. Meathead's opinion is wrong but your stack of assumptions is right? Yep! Great analysis of my post, buddy. Although just so you know, 'imo' means 'in my opinion'. As this is a message board, anything posted is going to be, of course, opinion. Thanks for the Reality Check though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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