ReturnoftheBuffaloBeast23 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 (edited) He's also had the 3rd most turnovers in the last 2 seasons. http://m.espn.go.com...storyId=8718318 Its an article about Sanchez but the stat is in there. Fitz is better then Edwards who was better then Losman who was better then Rob Johnson. None of which were as good as Kelly, Flutie, Bledsoe or even Frank Reich NICE! Edited December 6, 2012 by ReturnoftheBuffaloBeast23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 (edited) How many TD passes do you think Tebow would've had for us the last three seasons? I dont know about past seasons, but this season, probably 10-12, with an equal amount of rushing TDs. Here's the problem, if he could throw the ball more than ten yards down the field he'd have 40. Edited December 6, 2012 by peterpan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny33 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8716988/nfl-league-best-worst-qb-values Fitz isn't on either list. Luck and Wilson are listed as the two most underpaid QBs; Rivers and Vick are the most overpaid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantankerous Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Only Bills fans can make dog shi*t seem like trash... Either way I don't want it and neither should you.... No matter how anyone tries to rationalize Fitzpatrick. He's horrible. He makes clutch plays...for the opposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Here's the problem, if he could throw the ball more than ten yards down the field he'd have 40. I'm getting more than a little tired of the constant Fitzpatrick bashing here. 12 games have been played. The Bills are 16th in points scored and 4th in points scored against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I'm getting more than a little tired of the constant Fitzpatrick bashing here. 12 games have been played. The Bills are 16th in points scored and 4th in points scored against. And will, again pick 11th. I'm just getting tired of the Fitzpatrick discussion. He is what he is. He is, by all measures, just okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DE Bills Fan Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Fitz sucks. We will never win with him. Draft Landry Jones!!!! That stat is not indictive of wins and losses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreakPop Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I'm getting more than a little tired of the constant Fitzpatrick bashing here. 12 games have been played. The Bills are 16th in points scored and 4th in points scored against. I agree 100% with you #1. You can't argue with ignorance. Before this season if people were asked if they would take 3500+ yards 25+ TDs 15+ Ints and about 25 sacks from the QB and an offense that scores about 25 points per game, I guarantee you about 90%+ of Bills fans would have signed up for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 And will, again pick 11th. I'm just getting tired of the Fitzpatrick discussion. He is what he is. He is, by all measures, just okay. Exactly. We ALL know that the Bills are going to bring someone in here through FA, or a trade or by the draft this coming offseason. That is, unless Fitzpatrick looks unreal in these last four games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Cain Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 If Fitz could throw a ton of high floaters up in the air and have the receiver come down with them (think SJ13 vs Pittsburgh, Donald Jones 2 recent drops, etc) then he'd have another 10-15 touchdowns. Look at Andy Dalton he gets to throw to AJ Green & Jermaine Gresham, 2 guys who are hands down superior to our top WR & TE. Get Fitz, or whoever will be our QB more weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Here's the problem, if he could throw the ball more than ten yards down the field he'd have 40. or if his recievers would quit dropping the damn thing......Johnson Jones Chandler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 reactions are different as Mario's playing at an all pro level (post wrist surgery). and fitz is out there looking inept vs paper defenses like Indy with the season on the line. to steal a line from the most hated statements thread it is what it is "Paper defenses", huh? Not like those awesome offenses of Cleveland, Arizona Miami and Jacksonville that Mario padded his sack totals against. But yes, it's true--Mario's emergence a an "all pro" has allowed the Bills to decrease the number of points they gave up in the 3 losses since the bye to 26, bringing their average down to 4 TDs a game for the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted December 6, 2012 Author Share Posted December 6, 2012 Fitz sucks. We will never win with him. Draft Landry Jones!!!! That stat is not indictive of wins and losses no single player stat is indicative of W/L - but again, TD's are pretty damn important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I'd say football is rather simple: Score TD's on offense; Prevent TD's on Defense. I'd say it's pretty important...not the be all end all, but it's high up there..lol Its also pretty important to stop cherry picking stats to protect a losing QB. First off, he had some nice pads in blowout losses to those stats. Most importantly, WATCH the games because this is a guy who misses wide open players all the time unless its under 10 yards. If its under 10 yards, he completes, but far too often puts the ball in a place so inaccurately that the receiving player can not make a play on the ball and we kill a drive...again. Not to mention, Fitz plays in Gaileys unbelievably pass happy offense, so by default, his stats will inflate. I mean Tyler Thigpen (who everyone agrees isnt even a good backup let alone a good QB) ranked 13th in TD's and won just ONE game with Gailey in 2008. Sound familiar with Gailey, the win column, and the QB TD total? How about his INT's? Yeah, left that off didnt you...he tied for 10th and has had about a dozen others dropped...not to mention 5 more fumbles. How about his QBR, which is by the far the best indicator of a QB's effectiveness statistically wise to date. Its not perfect, but its the best stat out there right now. His QBR ranks him 25th...I see you left that off your post. I want to say I cant believe how people still try and validate him as a good (or even more crazy Elite like PromoTheRobot was this weekend) QB in this league...but I cant say that, because I am not at all surprised after watching the same lame excuses being made for guys like JP and Trent for so many years despite them PROVING on the field of play consistently, that they are just not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 "Paper defenses", huh? Not like those awesome offenses of Cleveland, Arizona Miami and Jacksonville that Mario padded his sack totals against. But yes, it's true--Mario's emergence a an "all pro" has allowed the Bills to decrease the number of points they gave up in the 3 losses since the bye to 26, bringing their average down to 4 TDs a game for the season. fair enough. fitz is the answer! he is on fire! extend his contract and lets get this train moving! lindell will love this development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted December 6, 2012 Author Share Posted December 6, 2012 (edited) Its also pretty important to stop cherry picking stats to protect a losing QB. First off, he had some nice pads in blowout losses to those stats. Most importantly, WATCH the games because this is a guy who misses wide open players all the time unless its under 10 yards. If its under 10 yards, he completes, but far too often puts the ball in a place so inaccurately that the receiving player can not make a play on the ball and we kill a drive...again. Not to mention, Fitz plays in Gaileys unbelievably pass happy offense, so by default, his stats will inflate. I mean Tyler Thigpen (who everyone agrees isnt even a good backup let alone a good QB) ranked 13th in TD's and won just ONE game with Gailey in 2008. Sound familiar with Gailey, the win column, and the QB TD total? How about his INT's? Yeah, left that off didnt you...he tied for 10th and has had about a dozen others dropped...not to mention 5 more fumbles. How about his QBR, which is by the far the best indicator of a QB's effectiveness statistically wise to date. Its not perfect, but its the best stat out there right now. His QBR ranks him 25th...I see you left that off your post. I want to say I cant believe how people still try and validate him as a good (or even more crazy Elite like PromoTheRobot was this weekend) QB in this league...but I cant say that, because I am not at all surprised after watching the same lame excuses being made for guys like JP and Trent for so many years despite them PROVING on the field of play consistently, that they are just not good enough. LMAO..how am I "cherry picking" stats? The stat is WHAT IT IS. If you want to create a thread about his QBR, why not go ahead and create one. The stat is simple: tied for 9th in the NFL in TD's. How many players on this team are in the top 10 in ANY positive category? Or are freaking TOUCHDOWNS not a positive category now? Because from the posters on this board, apparently scoring TD's is overrated now. Edited December 6, 2012 by bobobonators Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReturnoftheBuffaloBeast23 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 or if his recievers would quit dropping the damn thing......Johnson Jones Chandler To be honest i've seen way more spectacular catches from those guys because of terrible throws than drops... If your honest with yourself you'd agree... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I really think its a result of Gaileys offense more than quality QB play. I mean really, its evident we don't have quality QB play. THIS ^^^^^^^^^^ Does anyone even realize that Gailey got 18TD's (tied for 13th in the NFL) out of Thigpen in 2008 as a starter in KC? And no one here even thinks Thigpen is a good backup, let alone a starter. It should also be said that KC won just ONE game that year. People look at Ftiz's TD totals like in some other threads and try and use that as a gauge of he is good, yet totally ignore that he has the 3rd most turnovers of any QB in the NFL the last 2 years as a full time starter, has an atrocious QBR, an embarrassing win/loss record over his career, is woefully inconsistent, incredibly inaccurate, and throws one of the worst deep ball throwers of all the starting QB's. People need to start realizing that in Chans system, he will get TD production from just about any QB he trots out there and that does not prove the QB is a good QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 (edited) Fitz's stats have not been terrible dating back to the beginning of last season...He's a streaky player who can have great moments, and terrible moments, sometimes in the same half...He's currently 18th in the NFL in traditional QB Rating, and 25th in the newer Total QB Rating...You numb-skulls can come up with any way you want to defend Fitz...He's not good enough...It simply does not hold up most Sunday's... So I'll say this again...And I know some folks around here disagree...But if you can't tell by watching him that Fitz is not good enough, maybe commenting or evaluating NFL QB's is just not your thing... It's OK...Nobody is good at everything... Edited December 6, 2012 by KOKBILLS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 (edited) LMAO..how am I "cherry picking" stats? The stat is WHAT IT IS. If you want to create a thread about his QBR, why not go ahead and create one. The stat is simple: tied for 9th in the NFL in TD's. How many players on this team are in the top 10 in ANY positive category? Or are freaking TOUCHDOWNS not a positive category now? Because from the posters on this board, apparently scoring TD's is overrated now. Yes TD TOTALS ARE OVERRATED, especially in any system run by Chan. How important were the 3 TD's Fitz threw in week 1? You know, when his turnovers led to a 41-3 deficit to the lowly Jets and then when they went soft prevent he finally got some garbage TD's. How about Fitzs 4 TD's against NE...how important were they in that blow out loss. Wow, he had 7 total TD's in 2 key divisional games...must mean he is the man right? Or is it more important that when the game was in reach he was throwing INTS instead of TD's and that 4 of those 7 TD's came in the fourth quarter at a point where we were down huge and the game was all but over. HMM...so I wonder what is more important...those vastly important TD totals of 7 in 2 games, or those pesky INT's of 7 (with a fumble on top of that) and countless missed opportunities and stalled drives in the same games? But, no, you must be right...its gotta be the TD totals because clearly that shows it all. Interesting that if take those 2 games out where more than half of the TD's had no relevance what so ever, his TD production is quite bad. But hey, doesnt matter, because he got those worthless ones and his total is padded. So who cares that he is the 25th ranked QB in terms of efficiency...who cares he has 10th most INTs and 5 more fumbles...who cares he has the 3rd most turnovers in the NFL in his 2 years as the unquestioned starter...who cares he missed as usual wide open Spiller and Jones for easy TD's last week...because all that matters is that he is 9th in TDs. Edited December 6, 2012 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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