Wiz Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 We know the following: Kyle Williams is a very good player whose got a good body of work Dareus had a very good rookie year. Our LB corps is our greatest weakness. Wannstadt's scheme has always been to have his tackles hold up the lineman so the linebackers are free up to roam and make the tackles. Dareus and Williams both like to use their quickness to slice through the gaps, pressure the qb and wreak havoc in the backfield. Is Wannstadt restraining Dareus and Williams from using their strengths while depending on our lousy lb's to make the plays? It's the only explanation for Williams and Dareus, two quality players, being virtually non-existent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauderswr80 Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Any talented player who comes or plays at 1 Bills dr....well their career some how goes down the shitter, but once they leave they find their game again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steampunk Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Wannstadt's scheme has always been to have his tackles hold up the lineman so the linebackers are free up to roam and make the tackles. Sorry Wiz but this description is in fact the opposite of what Wannstedt's scheme traditionally asks the tackles to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 We know the following: Kyle Williams is a very good player whose got a good body of work Dareus had a very good rookie year. Our LB corps is our greatest weakness. Wannstadt's scheme has always been to have his tackles hold up the lineman so the linebackers are free up to roam and make the tackles. Dareus and Williams both like to use their quickness to slice through the gaps, pressure the qb and wreak havoc in the backfield. Is Wannstadt restraining Dareus and Williams from using their strengths while depending on our lousy lb's to make the plays? It's the only explanation for Williams and Dareus, two quality players, being virtually non-existent. I'm certainly not saying I'm satisfied with Wanny...That would be idiotic...But Dareus is overweight and has no explosion at all right now...I agree with you that KW likes to play the quick penetration game...But Dareus does none of that right now...His best quality currently is running plays down from behind after a 10-15 yard gain...That's not exactly what you expect from the 3rd overall pick and a guy who was Drafted in front of 4 perennial Pro-Bowl-type talents...And I don't think that has much to do at all with scheme...Russell Maryland and Leon Lett lived in the opponents backfield...Because they were consistently beating their man... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Maybe we will "fit" up better in the desert? Wanny is a ass clown and needs to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchmurraydowntown Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Dave's in way over his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 The funniest thing about what we've seen from the D recently is that its a scheme that's built to not give up the big play. Very little blitzing, drop 7 guys back into coverage and make sure you make a tackle in front of you for a minimal gain. It's not Dungy's cover 2, but it's not too far off. Of course, as we all know, the Bills give up big plays over and over again. Guys running free in the secondary, behind the secondary, blown tackles, etc. The Niners had to have at least 12 plays of 20+ yards yesterday. So if you're giving up the big play anyway, you might as well f'in blitz some and at least try to pressure the QB into mistakes. Make him make quick decisions under duress, that's how turnovers happen. Because right now you're getting the worse of both worlds - no pressure and guys getting behind your secondary for giant chunks of yardage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Trooth Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Wanny's scheme is bad for any D. This dude is a complete farce. Anytime he's been separated from Jimmy Johnson for long, his act goes south in a hurry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 The funniest thing about what we've seen from the D recently is that its a scheme that's built to not give up the big play. Very little blitzing, drop 7 guys back into coverage and make sure you make a tackle in front of you for a minimal gain. It's not Dungy's cover 2, but it's not too far off. Of course, as we all know, the Bills give up big plays over and over again. Guys running free in the secondary, behind the secondary, blown tackles, etc. The Niners had to have at least 12 plays of 20+ yards yesterday. So if you're giving up the big play anyway, you might as well f'in blitz some and at least try to pressure the QB into mistakes. Make him make quick decisions under duress, that's how turnovers happen. Because right now you're getting the worse of both worlds - no pressure and guys getting behind your secondary for giant chunks of yardage. You would THINK that, if they're rushing four and dropping seven into coverage, that they wouldn't be giving up so many passing yards either. To me, the past two games have looked like they're rushing four, dropping three or four into coverage, and have four or three (the LBs, plus the occasional safety) just kinda meandering aimlessly around the field somewhere. Sure, better LBs would help (even one good LB would go a long way)...but it doesn't change the fact that it's a broke-dick !@#$ing scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutmost Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Ahh coaching the only profession that you can be fired from just about every job youve had over the years and get rehired.....who are we kidding the cowboys were a dynasty...when these two clowns were there...both have failed miserably since then..in just about every endeavor....that said the bills are no where near as talented...you can start at qb..work down..mediorcrity is the watchword til they get a qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 We know the following: Kyle Williams is a very good player whose got a good body of work Dareus had a very good rookie year. Our LB corps is our greatest weakness. Wannstadt's scheme has always been to have his tackles hold up the lineman so the linebackers are free up to roam and make the tackles. Dareus and Williams both like to use their quickness to slice through the gaps, pressure the qb and wreak havoc in the backfield. Is Wannstadt restraining Dareus and Williams from using their strengths while depending on our lousy lb's to make the plays? It's the only explanation for Williams and Dareus, two quality players, being virtually non-existent. This has never been Wannstadt's scheme. Where did you hear this? Link? Wannstadt's scheme has always been to give the DL as much freedom as possible to make plays, sometimes at the expense of OL getting clear shots on the LBs. I suspect that this is part of the reason that the LBs are performing like doo-doo (and because they stink). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Not to be overly critical but I'd say his scheme is a bad fit for this millennium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Not to be overly critical but I'd say his scheme is a bad fit for this millennium. Or football in general. Might work better for baseball. I dunno... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagon Circler Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Scheme?...There"s a scheme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Scheme?...There"s a scheme? There has to be. A complete lack of scheme, just 11 guys running around randomly, would probably be better at stopping the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 There has to be. A complete lack of scheme, just 11 guys running around randomly, would probably be better at stopping the run. You mean the Miggle scheme. Haven't seen that since the 60s, but its just crazy enough to work. Just need to watch out for spilled beverages, pets, little brothers, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 You mean the Miggle scheme. Haven't seen that since the 60s, but its just crazy enough to work. Just need to watch out for spilled beverages, pets, little brothers, etc. It'd probably suck against the pass, but I have to believe that "line up randomly and do...whatever, you guys decide when you're out there" is giving up less than nine yards per carry. And for a half, it may not even suck against the pass. Imagine Tom Brady trying to read the coverage in a completely random and half-assed formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 I really don't get this. The guy coached good defenses in the NFL. When he was HC in Miami the defense carried the team. Sure that's been a little over 10 years now, but the game hasn't changed THAT much. That's why it's so mind boggling. How does a guy with a long history of success take over a team with this much talent and proceed to turn in the most epic failure in the history of the league? Again, the game has evolved, but it hasn't changed that much. Are these players just too retarded to hit their assignments? Is the talent on the defense a mirage? Did Wandstedt just forget how to run a defense? I just don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 The funniest thing about what we've seen from the D recently is that its a scheme that's built to not give up the big play. Very little blitzing, drop 7 guys back into coverage and make sure you make a tackle in front of you for a minimal gain. It's not Dungy's cover 2, but it's not too far off. Of course, as we all know, the Bills give up big plays over and over again. Guys running free in the secondary, behind the secondary, blown tackles, etc. The Niners had to have at least 12 plays of 20+ yards yesterday. So if you're giving up the big play anyway, you might as well f'in blitz some and at least try to pressure the QB into mistakes. Make him make quick decisions under duress, that's how turnovers happen. Because right now you're getting the worse of both worlds - no pressure and guys getting behind your secondary for giant chunks of yardage. > Because right now you're getting the worse of both worlds - no pressure and guys getting behind your secondary for giant chunks of yardage. I agree that when the Bills rush four and drop seven back into coverage, they've typically gotten the worst of both worlds. No pressure, and not much in the way of pass coverage or big play prevention. But! On the rare occasions when they have blitzed--at least against the 49ers--they got the worst of both worlds also. No pressure from the blitz--why on Earth would there be?--and little in the way of pass coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 I really don't get this. The guy coached good defenses in the NFL. When he was HC in Miami the defense carried the team. Sure that's been a little over 10 years now, but the game hasn't changed THAT much. That's why it's so mind boggling. How does a guy with a long history of success take over a team with this much talent and proceed to turn in the most epic failure in the history of the league? Again, the game has evolved, but it hasn't changed that much. Are these players just too retarded to hit their assignments? Is the talent on the defense a mirage? Did Wandstedt just forget how to run a defense? I just don't get it. Wannstadt is still probably getting paid from Pitt and getting payback for the Bills not paying the full double dip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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