HOUSE Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 (edited) Trouble with depth at WR ?.....not good. Seems like this subject comes up a lot lately by the local and national Media. Just posting the subject for discussion. Lets not panic to much, we still have the remainder of training camp and preseason. http://msn.foxsports...-group-79311636 Edited August 5, 2012 by HOUSE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Big Trouble with depth at WR.....not good. I heard the interview, Chan Gailey really sounds pissed. This may be the first time I heard him lose it! http://msn.foxsports...-group-79311636 Hey House, have you listened to the interviews on BB.com? While he was not candy-coating things, I think it might look worse in print than it sounded on the video audio. The silver lining is that with Stevie and Nelson being held out of practice, it gives the other guys more reps to improve their rapport with the QBs. I personally don't think this is a big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted August 5, 2012 Author Share Posted August 5, 2012 (edited) Hey House, have you listened to the interviews on BB.com? While he was not candy-coating things, I think it might look worse in print than it sounded on the video audio. The silver lining is that with Stevie and Nelson being held out of practice, it gives the other guys more reps to improve their rapport with the QBs. I personally don't think this is a big deal. No, I will have to do that. I heard part of the interview on WGR...... I hope you are right. I think we need to solve this problem before the season starts Edited August 5, 2012 by HOUSE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Big Trouble with depth at WR.....not good. I heard the interview, Chan Gailey really sounds pissed. This may be the first time I heard him lose it! http://msn.foxsports...-group-79311636 That's motivation for them. After the issues we had last year I'm guessing the coaching staff has harped on everyone that if their number is called they need to step up. Chan's pretty pissed if it doesn't happen when the opportunity is presented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 I don't think I am the only one that is not really surprised by this news. Why do you think we had a free agent receiver here when Mario was being courted? It wasn't because we had depth at the position. Every guy wearing a Bills Uni is not going to pan out although many believe the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Players have bad practices like they have bad games. There were apparently a lot of drops today and it was a problem. TODAY. Chan is not going to tolerate it because it cannot happen much. All players drop balls once in awhile. You try to keep it to a minimum obviously. Chan has also repeatedly said how guys were doing well and making plays on other days, and he is very pleased overall with the receiving corps. We will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted August 5, 2012 Author Share Posted August 5, 2012 Players have bad practices like they have bad games. There were apparently a lot of drops today and it was a problem. TODAY. Chan is not going to tolerate it because it cannot happen much. All players drop balls once in awhile. You try to keep it to a minimum obviously. Chan has also repeatedly said how guys were doing well and making plays on other days, and he is very pleased overall with the receiving corps. We will be fine. Sure hope you are right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 The bigger issue to me is that it seems that our passing offense is very complex and requires very studious and intelligent players. You see how Vince Young has struggled with picking up the offense and how some of the receivers do also. You read constantly how the wideouts on this team are expected to eventually be able to play every wide receiver position. I'm pretty convinced that this offense is more complex than many/most other NFL offenses. While a Jauron-simplified offense is a recipe for disaster in today's NFL, I think it can be reasonably stated that at some point, increasing complexity gets you to a point of diminishing returns. I sometimes wonder if this offense is a bit too complex… especially when you see how players like Chad Johnson have thrived in their careers operating in rather simplified schemes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 The bigger issue to me is that it seems that our passing offense is very complex and requires very studious and intelligent players. You see how Vince Young has struggled with picking up the offense and how some of the receivers do also. You read constantly how the wideouts on this team are expected to eventually be able to play every wide receiver position. I'm pretty convinced that this offense is more complex than many/most other NFL offenses. While a Jauron-simplified offense is a recipe for disaster in today's NFL, I think it can be reasonably stated that at some point, increasing complexity gets you to a point of diminishing returns. I sometimes wonder if this offense is a bit too complex… especially when you see how players like Chad Johnson have thrived in their careers operating in rather simplified schemes. I heard Derek Hagan (IIRC) on GR the other day and he said it is really not that hard. He worked and studied hard at learning the plays, but he said as soon as he learned the play, he immediately knew where all of the other players were going to be. So it didn't matter which of the 4 WR positions he was playing. David Nelson is a smart guy, and he came from a spread offense. But he picked up Chan's offense right away and succeeded right off the bat. SJ pretty much succeeded pretty early in the offense. Hagan didnt have ANY time to learn the offense and he produced instantly, without even knowing the plays well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 The bigger issue to me is that it seems that our passing offense is very complex and requires very studious and intelligent players. You see how Vince Young has struggled with picking up the offense and how some of the receivers do also. You read constantly how the wideouts on this team are expected to eventually be able to play every wide receiver position. I'm pretty convinced that this offense is more complex than many/most other NFL offenses. While a Jauron-simplified offense is a recipe for disaster in today's NFL, I think it can be reasonably stated that at some point, increasing complexity gets you to a point of diminishing returns. I sometimes wonder if this offense is a bit too complex… especially when you see how players like Chad Johnson have thrived in their careers operating in rather simplified schemes. Well if the offense is to complex for VY and Receivers is it safe to say we still do not have the right players at those positions? I'm talking receivers here for the most part. Or should Gailey dumb it down a little? Gailey's was nowhere near being in contention for offensive coach of the year in 2011 and other than Graham (who some think was a reach) what has changed with the receiving corp? Injuries aside none of those guys impress or scare many D-Backs.This is IMO our weakest unit on the team but also one of the most important for a pass happy coach and league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted August 5, 2012 Author Share Posted August 5, 2012 I wish we had a clear cut #2. Seems to me they are all pretty much equal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 (edited) We have a good TE and 2 very good RBs that can catch and play WR a lot. We'll be fine. They had a bad practice. You guys try not to get too excited about things. Don't get too down either. Edited August 5, 2012 by nucci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billnutinphoenix Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Trade our #1 to KC for Dwayne Bowe.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 I'm sure that ideally, Chan would like a stud at #2 WR. All he really needs, as I've been saying, is someone to stretch the defense, like Graham or Easley. The bulk of the passes will be directed to Stevie, Nelson, Chandler, and Fred/CJ, leaving little for the #2 guy anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 I heard Derek Hagan (IIRC) on GR the other day and he said it is really not that hard. He worked and studied hard at learning the plays, but he said as soon as he learned the play, he immediately knew where all of the other players were going to be. So it didn't matter which of the 4 WR positions he was playing. David Nelson is a smart guy, and he came from a spread offense. But he picked up Chan's offense right away and succeeded right off the bat. SJ pretty much succeeded pretty early in the offense. Hagan didnt have ANY time to learn the offense and he produced instantly, without even knowing the plays well. I would only say that any player competing for a roster spot is gonna publicly say that the offense is not that hard. Well if the offense is to complex for VY and Receivers is it safe to say we still do not have the right players at those positions? I'm talking receivers here for the most part. Or should Gailey dumb it down a little? Gailey's was nowhere near being in contention for offensive coach of the year in 2011 and other than Graham (who some think was a reach) what has changed with the receiving corp? Injuries aside none of those guys impress or scare many D-Backs.This is IMO our weakest unit on the team but also one of the most important for a pass happy coach and league. This is where I'm coming from, guys. A week ago when commenting on the backup QB position, Gailey said that Young was at a disadvantage because the offense is "so much more evolved" than it was two seasons earlier. I believe (can't prove it) that in the 3rd year of this program, there have been layers of complexity built up over time and for newcomers to the offense, that it's much harder to pick up in year 3 than it was for guys who got in on the ground floor and have grown with the offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 I wish we had a clear cut #2. Seems to me they are all pretty much equal I wish you would pay attention to our HC. A "clear cut #2" is not important; the Bills need four WRs who are capable of playing the various positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted August 5, 2012 Author Share Posted August 5, 2012 I wish you would pay attention to our HC. A "clear cut #2" is not important; the Bills need four WRs who are capable of playing the various positions. Yes, yes, I saw that. Still want one guy better then the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AReed Deep For6 Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 (edited) Id like to see CJ splitting outside for more passes this year. I think the matchups you can create by putting CJ and Freddy in backfield together its just plain scary!!! Edited August 5, 2012 by AReed Deep For6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Id like to see CJ splitting outside for more passes this year. I think the matchups you can create by putting CJ and Freddy in backfield together is just plain scary!!! One of the camp reports mentioned them doing this. Should be fun to see! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Hey House, have you listened to the interviews on BB.com? While he was not candy-coating things, I think it might look worse in print than it sounded on the video audio. The silver lining is that with Stevie and Nelson being held out of practice, it gives the other guys more reps to improve their rapport with the QBs. I personally don't think this is a big deal. I read it as standard coach-talk, using the media to call a player out for excessive screw-ups (dropped balls etc) Basically, Chan challenging these WR to step up their game, no excuses, get the job done or we'll find somebody who can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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