What is the BIGGEST camp battle? Surprise cuts?

[DukeyBomb]

I couldn't help but wonder what is going to happen to all of our DT's. So that got me thinking. What will be camps biggest battles and who are some surprise cuts?

 

For me the DT position is our biggest camp battle that will probably have some of the most surprising cuts.

 

Dareus, Williams start.

 

Johnson, Edwards, Troup, Carrington, Heard, and Gilbert.

 

I can't see the Bills cutting Carrington and Troup. I think 3 of the 4 DT's out of Edwards, Johnson, Heard and Gilbert will be cut with one being put on the PS.

 

What do you guys say?

Edited July 10, 2012 by DukeyBomb

[AReed Deep For6]

I couldn't help but wonder what is going to happen to all of our DT's. So that got me thinking. What will be camps biggest battles and who are some surprise cuts?

 

For me the DT position is our biggest camp battle that will probably have some of the most surprising cuts.

 

Dareus, Williams start.

 

Johnson, Edwards, Troup, Carrington, Heard, and Gilbert.

 

I can't see the Bills cutting Carrington and Troup. I think 3 of the 4 DT's out of Edwards, Johnson, Heard and Gilbert will be cut with one being put on the PS.

 

What do you guys say?

Carrington has done ZERO TO IMPRESS ME, i cant see him keeping a roster spot.

 

Troup may be serviceable and i agree with you there (this is his last chance to show it though).

I dont know anything about Gilbert (best case scenario for him sounds like practice squad).

I like Heard though.

 

So Id cut Carrington, Gilbert, and Dwan if it were up to me. Spencer Johnson knows the defense, Heard has something in the tank, and i think you gotta give Carrington atleast one more year (if hes injured hes gone next year). I guess this is a good problem to have

[ganesh]

Attempting to answer your question that was on the subject...

 

The biggest camp battle will be for the 2nd WR spot. That is wide open with Donald Jones the front runner. However, there will be stiff competition at that spot with Graham and Easley trying to make a hard push.

 

Another spot might be the other CB positions. Will last years 2nd round pick Aaron Williams Supplant incumbent but oft injured McGee? I think Williams can push McGee hard for the starting gig, especially if McGee does not recover from his injuries.

Edited July 10, 2012 by ganesh

[truth on hold]

Young vs thigpen

Edited July 10, 2012 by Joe_the_6_pack

[Hapless Bills Fan]

I couldn't help but wonder what is going to happen to all of our DT's. So that got me thinking. What will be camps biggest battles and who are some surprise cuts?

I can't see the Bills cutting Carrington and Troup. I think 3 of the 4 DT's out of Edwards, Johnson, Heard and Gilbert will be cut with one being put on the PS.

 

What do you guys say?

 

I don't think any of those guys are practice squad eligible. Heard has an accrued season last year of more than 8 games. Gilbert hasn't played an accrued season but he's in his 3rd season. He can only be put on the PS if the obscure rules clause applies to him and all of the Bills washed their hands before and after each 16 games or something like that.

 

I can see the Bills cutting Carrington and Troup. It may be a hard necessity. They aren't cutting Edwards and Johnson unless they just can't adjust to their 4-3 roles because both have proven they can play NFL football at a decent level.

 

So getting back to your question - I think DL is the biggest camp battle, not the starters but who makes the roster. #2 WR is 2nd with overall who makes the roster a good fight. CB is big, again, who makes the roster. And we can't leave without mentioning #2 QB

[Dorkington]

I predict Edwards will be our 3rd DT, behind only Dareus and Kyle. Johnson is most likely for the fourth. Carrington will be a "swing" player in that he can back up both DE and DT. Heard, Troup and Gilbert don't make it.

[The Wiz]

I don't think any of those guys are practice squad eligible. Heard has an accrued season last year of more than 8 games. Gilbert hasn't played an accrued season but he's in his 3rd season. He can only be put on the PS if the obscure rules clause applies to him and all of the Bills washed their hands before and after each 16 games or something like that.

 

I can see the Bills cutting Carrington and Troup. It may be a hard necessity. They aren't cutting Edwards and Johnson unless they just can't adjust to their 4-3 roles because both have proven they can play NFL football at a decent level.

 

So getting back to your question - I think DL is the biggest camp battle, not the starters but who makes the roster. #2 WR is 2nd with overall who makes the roster a good fight. CB is big, again, who makes the roster. And we can't leave without mentioning #2 QB

Is it just me or does it make anyone else smile to know we already have starters set in stone?

 

It hasn't really been like that for a while.

[The Cincinnati Kid]

The biggest position battles are always on the D-Line and the O-line. Have you seen those guys? Theyre HUGE!

[SouthernMan]

I couldn't help but wonder what is going to happen to all of our DT's. So that got me thinking. What will be camps biggest battles and who are some surprise cuts?

 

For me the DT position is our biggest camp battle that will probably have some of the most surprising cuts.

 

Dareus, Williams start.

 

Johnson, Edwards, Troup, Carrington, Heard, and Gilbert.

 

I can't see the Bills cutting Carrington and Troup. I think 3 of the 4 DT's out of Edwards, Johnson, Heard and Gilbert will be cut with one being put on the PS.

 

What do you guys say?

 

I think too much merit is given to player's draft position and their current standing. If Troup were a 7th rounder or FA, rather than a 2nd round choice, how many of you predict he would stay on the roster in 2012.

 

He's a bust, pure and simple. The defenses answer to James Hardy.

[Captain Hindsight]

I would honestly be very surprised if Carrington is cut. He is huge. Like enormous and has shown some flashes of pass rushing potential and straighte in the middle.

[CardinalScotts]

We have deep talent at WR finally, although some are untested but with

 

Roosevelt

Nelson

Johnson

Jones

Hagan

Graham

Aiken

Easley

 

--it wouldn't shock me if Jones gets cut, he's small, constantly hurt and has bad hands

 

Troup was a product of a bad back, I don't know if there is a worse injury for anyone but especially a big man than a back injury with all the talent along the D line I'll say Troup will play a major role in 2012. Dwan Edwards is the odd guy out and it's not his salary it's his play the dude sucks.

Edited July 10, 2012 by CardinalScotts

[San Jose Bills Fan]

We have deep talent at WR finally, although some are untested but with

 

Roosevelt

Nelson

Johnson

Jones

Hagan

Graham

Aiken

Easley

 

--it wouldn't shock me if Jones gets cut, he's small, constantly hurt and has bad hands

The "problem" with our wide receiver group is that it's like the depth chart on previous editions of the Bills… one is left hoping that someone will emerge.

 

Hopefully that does happen.

 

Gladly, the rest of the roster has been rebuilt to the point that we know we have dependable, good-quality players in place.

 

Not so much with the receivers.

 

 

[eball]

Great topic. I see several key camp battles, some of which have already been discussed.

 

DL cuts: I think the Bills will keep 9 or 10. Mario, Anderson, Kelsay, Merriman, Dareus, and Kyle are locks. I believe Edwards and Carrington will make it. It's wide open for the remaining one or two spots, with Johnson, Troup, Heard, Gilbert, and Batten all in the mix.

 

LB corps: The starters are set, but who do they keep as backups? If they keep 6, I've got to believe Carder and Bradham make it, which leaves only one opening for White, McKillop, Moats, and Eddins.

 

2nd WR: The players are raving about Jones; it's his job to lose. Graham is going to be a situational guy who will contribute more in the 2nd half of the season. I can't wait to see more of Easley in game action. The cuts will be very interesting.

 

Backup QB: Everyone "wants" Young to win the job, and it's hard for me to imagine him not coming out on top given his athletic talent.

 

3rd RB: Johnny White or Tashard Choice? Choice hasn't impressed me and I like White's versatility; the head injury set him back a bit last year.

 

FB vs. H-Back: McIntyre or Dickerson (or both)?

 

How many TEs: Chandler and Smith are locks; will Gucci Onabagel crack the roster?

 

Starting LT: Glenn vs. Hairston. Subplot: Pears vs. Hairston at RT. I wouldn't be shocked to see Hairston take the starting job on the right side.

 

Punter: Moorman vs. Powell. The FSU product was not brought in as camp fodder; he's no joke.

 

Specialty K: Will they really keep Potter?

 

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I just love this time of year. My surprise cut of the summer is Moorman.

[zazie]

my surprise cut is always the same for the last 5 years and I have been sorely dissappointed eanch time there WAS NO SURPRISE.

 

CAN WE PLEASE LET KELSAY GO? PRETTY PLEASE WITH SUGAR ON TOP?

[....lybob]

Back up DT is the most interesting battle to me because of relative strengths and weaknesses. The question is what does DW want from his DTs.

 

Size?

 

Heard- 6,6 340- guy is massive (and this is after losing a little weight)- relatively young 26 and cheap, didn't get to play much until the last half of the season, occasionally looked lost (bad fit for NT or DE), did have a massive game in the season final against Pats 5 Tackles, 2 sacks and a forced fumble, inconsistent conditioning. Has a chance if conditioning/weight is good.

 

Troup- 6,3 327- if healthy maybe the stoutest guy after Dareus, injuries (back) are the big concern - must be 100% healthy in training camp to have a chance.

 

Athleticism?

 

Gilbert- 6,5 290- Athletic freak, long arms (36in), and frame to gain 20lbs if needed- the question is how much does he want it.

 

Carrington- 6,5 301- Decent athlete for the position, certainly looks like a football player, had 10.5 and 9 sacks seasons in college, but has yet to look special for the Bills- can he shine as a DT after playing less than spectacular football at DE and OLB

 

Experience?

 

Spencer Johnson and Dwan Edwards both about 6,3 300, both a little over 30, both could be described as solid, both would be paid rather well as backups, surprisingly to me Spencer Johnson on the depth chart is currently list as #2 LDE.

[Fixxxer]

HB vs. FB vs. TE. Caussin, Dickerson, McIntyre and Onobun, will be battling hard in TC for a roster spot.

 

2nd string QB: Thigpen and Young, two men enter, only one survives

 

LT: Gleen will be given the oportunity to start at LT but if Hairston has something to say about it, it will be a tough job for Glenn.

 

IOL: Wood, Levitre, Urbik and Reihart will keep their roster spots, who will be the back-up OC, that also can play guard or tackle... the most versatile man will stand.

 

Y WR: who will be the flanker opposite Stevie? There is a nice mix of talent there, but it is either unproven or often injured. Haggan, Jones, Easley and maybe Aiken will be battling hard for that spot. Every WR had to know every position, so the man with the wits might be last man standing. Run blocking is also important.

 

SOLB: Morrison is penciled as the starter but he will face tough competition, Bradham needs to keep impressing with pads, Moats and Batten will give their all to keep their profesinal football careers alive. Morrison has the advantage, he's the vet and he can slide to MLB if needed. Knowledge of the playbook and versatility will be key here (notice a trend here?)

 

K/P: Lindell and Moorman aren't getting any younger, I believe Lindell's job is safer than Moormans'

[mountainwampus]

To those who don't notice Carrington: he had 4 run stuffs last season. NOBODY had more than him. Dareus tied him with 4. On a team where nobody can stop a run, cutting him would be dumb. Also, he seems capable to play either DT or DE. He's quicker than Edwards, Johnson, Troup or Heard. He also had a sack, 2 blocked kicks and a pass deflected for an INT. He seems like a shoe-in to me.

 

The D-Line seems to be the biggest camp battle.

[BRAWNDO]

Great topic. I see several key camp battles, some of which have already been discussed.

 

DL cuts: I think the Bills will keep 9 or 10. Mario, Anderson, Kelsay, Merriman, Dareus, and Kyle are locks. I believe Edwards and Carrington will make it. It's wide open for the remaining one or two spots, with Johnson, Troup, Heard, Gilbert, and Batten all in the mix.

 

LB corps: The starters are set, but who do they keep as backups? If they keep 6, I've got to believe Carder and Bradham make it, which leaves only one opening for White, McKillop, Moats, and Eddins.

 

2nd WR: The players are raving about Jones; it's his job to lose. Graham is going to be a situational guy who will contribute more in the 2nd half of the season. I can't wait to see more of Easley in game action. The cuts will be very interesting.

 

Backup QB: Everyone "wants" Young to win the job, and it's hard for me to imagine him not coming out on top given his athletic talent.

 

3rd RB: Johnny White or Tashard Choice? Choice hasn't impressed me and I like White's versatility; the head injury set him back a bit last year.

 

FB vs. H-Back: McIntyre or Dickerson (or both)?

 

How many TEs: Chandler and Smith are locks; will Gucci Onabagel crack the roster?

 

Starting LT: Glenn vs. Hairston. Subplot: Pears vs. Hairston at RT. I wouldn't be shocked to see Hairston take the starting job on the right side.

 

Punter: Moorman vs. Powell. The FSU product was not brought in as camp fodder; he's no joke.

 

Specialty K: Will they really keep Potter?

 

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I just love this time of year. My surprise cut of the summer is Moorman.

 

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[justnzane]

HB vs. FB vs. TE. Caussin, Dickerson, McIntyre and Onobun, will be battling hard in TC for a roster spot.

 

2nd string QB: Thigpen and Young, two men enter, only one survives

 

LT: Gleen will be given the oportunity to start at LT but if Hairston has something to say about it, it will be a tough job for Glenn.

 

IOL: Wood, Levitre, Urbik and Reihart will keep their roster spots, who will be the back-up OC, that also can play guard or tackle... the most versatile man will stand.

 

Y WR: who will be the flanker opposite Stevie? There is a nice mix of talent there, but it is either unproven or often injured. Haggan, Jones, Easley and maybe Aiken will be battling hard for that spot. Every WR had to know every position, so the man with the wits might be last man standing. Run blocking is also important.

 

SOLB: Morrison is penciled as the starter but he will face tough competition, Bradham needs to keep impressing with pads, Moats and Batten will give their all to keep their profesinal football careers alive. Morrison has the advantage, he's the vet and he can slide to MLB if needed. Knowledge of the playbook and versatility will be key here (notice a trend here?)

 

K/P: Lindell and Moorman aren't getting any younger, I believe Lindell's job is safer than Moormans'

 

well thought out post. I want to see with the backup TE vs FB vs HB battle if Finda Cinnabon or Dickerson can step up and be athletic threats.

 

2nd string QB: I think Mr. Wonderlic wins this one, where we'll have a mental midget backing up a mensa member

 

LT: I think the Rook gets it.

 

IOL: I think that those 4 are locked, and they may keep brown to be a backup Center, thus creating a battle for a backup tackle. It should be Hairston, imo.

 

Y spot: I think either Hagan or Aiken comes out of the camp with it. I hate to call it, I think Easley is doomed by his body, and will have something else come up

 

Sam backer: Morrison early season with bradham, by end.

 

K/P: Lindell isn't safe with the draft pick. Chan will have to see if Potter is a good fit for FG's and PAT's and if he wants to use a 3rd spot on a specialist.

 

I think too much merit is given to player's draft position and their current standing. If Troup were a 7th rounder or FA, rather than a 2nd round choice, how many of you predict he would stay on the roster in 2012.

 

He's a bust, pure and simple. The defenses answer to James Hardy.

The guy has battled injuries each year. A bad back may be the kiss of death for him, but at least he got on the field unlike Maybin, or Hardy. If he is healthy, I think he stays over Johnson.

[eball]

K/P: Lindell isn't safe with the draft pick. Chan will have to see if Potter is a good fit for FG's and PAT's and if he wants to use a 3rd spot on a specialist.

I think you're looking at this the wrong way. The Bills know Potter isn't polished enough to trust on FGs; if he makes the roster it will be solely for his ability to boom KOs, and they'll develop him into Lindell's eventual replacement.

 

Moorman, on the other hand, is in for a battle...