San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 A New York City school teacher with a Master's Degree and 22 years of experience making $94,000? Considering the cost of living in New York City, the cost of an advanced degree, and two decades of teaching, that seem low to me. Anyways, there are tons of different workers under the union banner. I work in a union workplace and for the most part it's a meritocracy. We view ourselves as a temporary workforce and we joke that "one aw-shyt wipes out 10 attaboys." If we don't hustle our arses off and produce, we're laid off. We're hired because the non-union guys don't have the skills, training, and know how to execute the projects that we do. It's kind of oversimplistic to paint all union employees with the same brush, just as it's stupid to assume that all execs are overpaid. All I know is that the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer and that a lot of poor people seem to be pointing fingers at each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICanSleepWhenI'mDead Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 I was making no comment about whether I considered teachers to be adequately paid - - merely pointing out what they actually got paid in NYC in 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 I was making no comment about whether I considered teachers to be adequately paid - - merely pointing out what they actually got paid in NYC in 2008. I'm completely aware of that and didn't suggest anything other than my own opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 (edited) Really? Maybe I should visit PPP once in awhile! Actually, it sounds like Mrrags has a legit state job. But, when I worked summers for the state in college - the full time year round workers were a joke. They were very funny guys and I really liked them........But, they'd rather sit and watch the grass grow until the next break instead of getting the mower out and mow it like we were supposed to do. It made the day go on forever! Please don't...I like you here and on Off the Wall...very few can lead the TSW dual lifestyle of being cool in one forum, and a complete douche nozzle on "the dark side"... The PPP has taken a lot of my "friends" over the years. Edited January 29, 2012 by Buftex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Please don't...I like you here and on Off the Wall...very few can lead the TSW dual lifestyle of being cool in one forum, and a complete douche nozzle on "the dark side"... The PPP has taken a lot of my "friends" over the years. Yeah, I just don't have the time to visit that. I've been in that dark place a few times and that's enough!..........I go to the political forum on the Springsteen board and it's more cordial, but obviously I'm way outnumbered there. Is it really more conservatives than liberals on PPP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Yeah, I just don't have the time to visit that. I've been in that dark place a few times and that's enough!..........I go to the political forum on the Springsteen board and it's more cordial, but obviously I'm way outnumbered there. Is it really more conservatives than liberals on PPP? If by "liberal" you mean people who like Romney, maybe a few. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 What does paying taxes have to do with labor/business relations, other than the likelihood that one side is paying a larger share of their income in taxes? PTR One side does hold all the cards. Public unions directly influence the politicians who determine their compensation--which is paid by the taxpayer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted William's frozen head Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Facts - - here's the 2008 New York City salary schedule from a teacher union website: http://www.uft.org/our-rights/salary-schedules/teachers To understand the New York City teacher 2008 salary chart in the above link, you also need the following explanation of salary "steps:" http://www.uft.org/our-rights/salary-steps I don't know how things have changed since 2008, but in 2008 a NYC teacher with 22 years experience and a Master's degree made an annual salary of $94,154. With an additional 30 credit hours beyond the Master's degree, the salary schedule for 22 years experience topped out at just over $100k. I lived in NYC for five years. Just TRY to live in Manhattan on $50K a year. You may want to check the cost of renting a one bedroom apartment, or the cost of a condo. Forget about home ownership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 (edited) I lived in NYC for five years. Just TRY to live in Manhattan on $50K a year. You may want to check the cost of renting a one bedroom apartment, or the cost of a condo. Forget about home ownership. You might be able to eat for the year on the $50K, but you would be living in a cardboard box. Edited February 1, 2012 by CodeMonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weehawk Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Here's a link to yet another article that clearly demonstrates that public money being put into pro sports buildings does NOT equal jobs, money, prosperity, etc. Keep this in mind when RW demands (not asks) the State of NY to pump $100+ million into RWS purely so he can improve profits. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-03/as-super-bowl-shows-build-stadiums-for-love-and-not-money-view.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsinytown Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Here's a link to yet another article that clearly demonstrates that public money being put into pro sports buildings does NOT equal jobs, money, prosperity, etc. Keep this in mind when RW demands (not asks) the State of NY to pump $100+ million into RWS purely so he can improve profits. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-03/as-super-bowl-shows-build-stadiums-for-love-and-not-money-view.html Buffalo has not been, and is not, the only NFL city to have to make this decision. At some point, every NFL city has to spend public money to keep the team. It may not be right, but it's the way it is. Want to keep the Bills in Buffalo? That's what will have to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macaroni Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 So you are saying to not renovate ... or build new and let the Bills walk? I hear what you're saying ... why should the taxpayers foot the bill ... but the sad fact is that either taxpayers do foot the bill, or the owners move to a local where they will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Your local Industrial Development Agency, how much bang for the buck do they get? They hand out millions for a dozen jobs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsinytown Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 So you are saying to not renovate ... or build new and let the Bills walk? I hear what you're saying ... why should the taxpayers foot the bill ... but the sad fact is that either taxpayers do foot the bill, or the owners move to a local where they will. I'm thinking what would be easier on taxpayers' wallets.......renovate. The Cowboys just got a new stadium at over 1 billion....that seems to be the going rate for new. Renovating is a lot cheaper. The team will definitely be in Buffalo as long as Ralph is alive. Once he's gone (like him or not), things will get very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Trooth Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Absolutely true. If you're going to build one, you must build it to multi faceted. In Buffalo, that would mean a retractable dome to serve as a venue for Pro football, Hockey, Hoop, potentially for youth hockey, soccer, the monster truck insanity, circuses, extreme sports competition, PBA bowling championships, boxing,snow mobile racing/jumping, etc. Irt would almost have to be tied to another attraction, like a huge mall. I've often thought that the area near NF where Hooker & Carborrundum once were should be an ideal place for a huge sports complex and mall. Especially considering the proximity to the Falls plus in a couple of years casinos in NYS will be legal and they will be building a few there to entice the Canadians as well as other tourists. Taxpayer monry shouldn't fund that schitt necessarily, but if it did, the taxpayers must see a huge payback. Otherwise, let the entreprenuers do it and govt. stay the F**K out of the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 So you are saying to not renovate ... or build new and let the Bills walk? I hear what you're saying ... why should the taxpayers foot the bill ... but the sad fact is that either taxpayers do foot the bill, or the owners move to a local where they will. Oh? What locale has taxpayers looking to contribute to a new stadium? And why would a new owner stay for a 100 million face lift on the Ralph? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weehawk Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 IMO, do what is necessary to keep the facility safe. Anything beyond that is simply Ralph & Co wanting to keep their pockets fully lined at taxpayer expense. It's the difference of spending ~$20 million for infrastructure/safety and $100+ million for infra AND new amenities. The vast majority of game day patrons never use or even see those new amenities. It's all for the upper-crust and the taxpayers pay for it ALL, not just some. Disclaimer: I have not seen any info on specifically what improvements they plan to make to RWS, so this is conjecture of course. BTW, BUF is not Dallas or NYC. Playing with the big-boys is gonna cost big bux and RW is not going to pony up any of it. Doesn't anyone ever get PO'd at the way their tax money is spent, even when it's for the Bills? Pro sports teams ARE community assets, no doubt. However, they are nowhere near as valuable as they have been touted in the past. At some point some city somewhere needs to stand up and say NO. We'll offer you this much, beyond that pay for it yourself or leave. People have been saying for years that BUF, JAX, SD, MIN, OAK are all moving. None have moved, none are moving anytime soon, and there's just nowhere for them to go anyway. Start fighting for your tax dollars or you'll be bled dry and will be living on Bailey Ave. So you are saying to not renovate ... or build new and let the Bills walk? I hear what you're saying ... why should the taxpayers foot the bill ... but the sad fact is that either taxpayers do foot the bill, or the owners move to a local where they will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Buffalo has not been, and is not, the only NFL city to have to make this decision. At some point, every NFL city has to spend public money to keep the team. It may not be right, but it's the way it is. Want to keep the Bills in Buffalo? That's what will have to be done. Bullsh--. What if all 32 cities refuse to do so? Every team is going to move.....to where? Using public money for pro sport arenas is a scam that ought to land every public official involved in prison. It's a disgusting waste of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Oh? What locale has taxpayers looking to contribute to a new stadium? And why would a new owner stay for a 100 million face lift on the Ralph? Why would a new owner stay? Well he probably would have very expensive options. You can be sure if taxpayers foot the Bill on the stadium, and then there is a ownership change. There will be some big buyout clause in the contract to allow a new owner to leave (unlike the current one). Meaning, and just round figures. Franchise 800+ Million, relocation fee to NFL? TBD but very pricey. Payoff on breaking a potential 10 year lease on an upgraded Ralph? Very expensive. Buying the team and keeping a charter AFL franchise where it belongs? Priceless. Really, the Bills are not really even mentioned when the talking heads mention teams that could go to LA whatever. There are at least 2 teams on way shakier ground. Plus in this economy what billionaire will shake the dice and take an educated guess that moving to LA is truly greener than a team in its current location? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Bullsh--. What if all 32 cities refuse to do so? Every team is going to move.....to where? Using public money for pro sport arenas is a scam that ought to land every public official involved in prison. It's a disgusting waste of money. Couldn't have said it better myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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