Billsguy Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Here's the look: http://www.freakonomics.com/2012/01/20/does-defense-really-win-championships/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 no one component wins anything. what a dominant defense can do is make up for some deficiencies in special teams or offense. there is a very high value to be placed on a stout defense that stops the run, pressures the passer and creates turnovers. but if you have a great defense combined with an offense that cannot generate first downs or score points, then it is completely irrelevant. i believe that some sort of balance must be achieved to win a championship. either that or an enormous horshoe and incriminating photos of officials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playman Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 (edited) old adage ( or so ) if you dont score you cant win if they dont score you cant lose thing is, you need to sell out to one idea. and live with the results. i was always in favor of a terr(or)ific defense but thats just me Edited January 25, 2012 by playman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 If you score more than the other team you win. Its a combination Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playman Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 sure. what i mean is how you approach it. will you go into a shooting contest or do you like to punch it out. and im for punching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 I thought it was funny that after the WC and divisional round all of the "experts" were saying defense was not important now and you just have to have a good offense. Then in conference Championships only 1 team scored more than 22 points and the rest scored less than 21. The games featured a lot of defense shutting down some very proficient NFL offenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjmac Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) Our own history should suggest that defense is more important. Our 274-lb NT got taken advantage of in 4 Super Bowls. Edited January 26, 2012 by jjmac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 It can, but it doesn't always. More and more, great QB's are what win championships... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 I'll take a great qb and average defense over an average qb and great defense. Elite QBs are the single most important component of a winning team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 I thought it was funny that after the WC and divisional round all of the "experts" were saying defense was not important now and you just have to have a good offense. Then in conference Championships only 1 team scored more than 22 points and the rest scored less than 21. The games featured a lot of defense shutting down some very proficient NFL offenses. Yet the #2 and # 3 defenses in the league are at home while two of the lesser ranked defenses, and higher powered offense, are playing in the SB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjmac Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Yet the #2 and # 3 defenses in the league are at home while two of the lesser ranked defenses, and higher powered offense, are playing in the SB. Does it matter so much where they are ranked, or how they play in the conference championship games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 It worked for Alabama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsguy Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 Here's the look: http://www.freakonomics.com/2012/01/20/does-defense-really-win-championships/ The conclusion based on the evidence: "Bottom line: Defense is no more important than offense." The problem with the Bills is that they are deficient on both sides of the ball. Hopefully, the endless arguing about what is more important will subside. The same pointless arguments can be made about running games, run defense, QB play, etc. These are pointless arguments because you need all the elements to be consistently good. The historical exceptions (i.e. team X won the Super Bowl with a lousy QB and a great defense) will always lead to faulty conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 I'll take a great qb and average defense over an average qb and great defense. Elite QBs are the single most important component of a winning team. Ditto. Especially because the elite QB is likely to stay elite for 8-10 years, whereas the elite D probably has more like a 3-4 year shelf life. But obviously you can win with great D and mediocre O. Of course, the ideal scenario is a great offense AND a great defense. The conclusion based on the evidence: "Bottom line: Defense is no more important than offense."The problem with the Bills is that they are deficient on both sides of the ball. Hopefully, the endless arguing about what is more important will subside. The same pointless arguments can be made about running games, run defense, QB play, etc. These are pointless arguments because you need all the elements to be consistently good. The historical exceptions (i.e. team X won the Super Bowl with a lousy QB and a great defense) will always lead to faulty conclusions. I agree that we should be generally concerned with improving the team rather than worrying about where those improvements come from. However, some elements of a team are definitely more important than others. Upgrading the FB/lead blocker position, for example, is a marginal benefit that leads to almost no extra wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timba Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 old adage ( or so ) if you dont score you cant win if they dont score you cant lose thing is, you need to sell out to one idea. and live with the results. i was always in favor of a terr(or)ific defense but thats just me If the rules were more balanced between offense and defense I would agree with you 100%. The problem is rules continue to be put in place that limit what defenders can do to so that a more interesting product is put on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 I just find it interesting that when the bills defense was playing well the bills offense seemed to be also....... I want to know if this team would be immensely better overall if they had a top 10 defense.....something is telling me yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealityCheck Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 If your play makers don't play in December, it does not seem to matter very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Defense doesn't LOSE championships. GO SABRES!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDaDdy Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Just thought this was REALLY interesting. Everyone likes to talk about the need for a franchise QB but three....repeat THREE of the top 4 defenses in the post season made it to the divisional championship round. Two out of 3 of those defenses will play in the superbowl. There are some really good QBs that left in the first round of the play offs that are going to be watching from home a couple sundays from now. Basically if you don't have a franchise post season defense you don't have a shot. Apparently defense might still win championships Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 With due respect i think your arguement is flawed there my friend, haha. But i do agree with the saying "Defenses Win Championships" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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