CardinalScotts Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 TE's carry teams w/ out WRs. Pats. 49ers. That's just today. It's well known a QB's best friend is a dominate TE. And Chandler is not a dominate TE. He is average. It's the truth. Average gets TDs/first downs form time to time and that's what Chandler does. its been so long since we even had a average TE. These 6-7 athletes that you can't cover, can't run with, can't tackle just make and average QB look so much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Draft basketball players. /topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 If we can bring Scott Chandler back it would be a good start . He's not a stud but he's a real good redzone threat & in his first season he has set records with more TD's than any TE in team history so we should keep him around . He can probably bulk up a bit this off season & become a better blocker & all around TE which is something we need to be a complete offense !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealityCheck Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Solid? Security blanket? The guy has been injured twice already, despite being a huge guy with very low miles on him. The guy gets a little success and he is looked at as more than he really is. Nix hinted at that in terms of his FA market value vs. his value to the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 The guy gets a little success and he is looked at as more than he really is. Nix hinted at that in terms of his FA market value vs. his value to the team. Yup. Welcome to the sanity club in this thread. Not that I can really knock other posters for praising a guy that I also like as a Bill. He is solid and gave better production this year than we have seen an a while. But in the scheme of things he isn't anything special by league standards. He's kind of the Trent Edwards of TE's. It's one thing to look good following JP. It's another to look good compared to winning football teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mob16151 Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 It would be nice but besides the Bills having bigger needs, these ultra tight ends are hard to come by. There's only about 5-6 of these guys in the NFL. I don't know if there are any in this year's draft but I haven't heard that there is. Guys like Jimmy Graham and Vernon Davis don't come out every year. Georgia Tight End Orson Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Fong Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 I'd take an elite TE over an elite WR. Can involve them in more plays You guys really crack me up sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 You guys really crack me up sometimes. It's basically true. There are about 3 WRs that I would probably exempt from this but the top 3 or so TE's compared to the 4-10 guys when thinking about Fitz's arm? IDK man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowery4 Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 We really have two TEs the way Chan uses Nelson and Chandler is the same as NE* with Hernandez and Gonk (at least when they are 5 wide), Nelson is just a tad smaller then Hernandez by 30 lbs but an inch or two taller. And Chandler might be average but he is the best one we have had in quite a while. I want them to resign him even if they get another and copy Belicheat. I would love Fred and/or Spiller behind a 7 man front. It would also be the bomb for play action Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Fong Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 It's basically true. There are about 3 WRs that I would probably exempt from this but the top 3 or so TE's compared to the 4-10 guys when thinking about Fitz's arm? IDK man The comparison was "Elite WR" vs "Elite TE". You can't use supporting evidence and say "Except for those three top receivers." you end up winning the argument for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 The comparison was "Elite WR" vs "Elite TE". You can't use supporting evidence and say "Except for those three top receivers." you end up winning the argument for me. Man I can do whatever the hell I want this is the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Fong Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Man I can do whatever the hell I want this is the internet. And I reserve the right to laugh at the silliness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HWHY delisyd Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 yr right.. keep chandler or sign fred davis or carlson or draft clemson dude or eifert...I vote for continuity and keep chandler with an incentive based low guarantee that he may not take.. takes qb's a year to get chemistry and hit them out of their breaks.. LOok at not so dirty sanchez..he was given players and albeit selfish talented children and look how well that went.. not sure what clarks production was with painter.. couldn think of a fa example of a tight end.. And yea, yea... he blows anyway and will be washing cars in his meth dealing detail business with tebow in two years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Name the good tight ends in the NFL. I would bet that maybe 1 in 4 teams has a difference-making tight end. The Bills problem (if you want to complain about something) is not that they don't have a good tight end… it's that they only have one good wide receiver. An elite tight end is a luxury… especially if you don't have good wide receivers. If the Bills had Megatron playing opposite Stevie Johnson, there would be no conversation about tight ends. It would be nice if the Bills had an elite tight end. I'm a bit more worried about pass rusher, wide receiver... I think every good team needs 2-3 very good receivers if one or 2 of them were TE's (New England) so be it. If you have a couple of very good big wide receivers you might get away with not having a great TE. It does appear that in the playoffs this year we have seen teams with very good TE's. I would place equal value on guys like Gronk, Vernon Davis, Finley, and Graham with any Wide receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 You know while he may never be a great TE, physically Fendi Onobun is a pretty good match for Jimmy Graham and the same might be said about our Kevin Brock vs Rob Gronkoski Jimmy Graham Fendi Onobun Rob Gronkoski Kevin Brock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 With the Bills I don't think the quality of the tight end is as big an issue as the types of plays that are called. Chan doesn't use the tight ends or fullbacks very much. When Chandler went out, Lee Smith came in and did almost as well. It is hard to get a good read on how good the tight ends on the Bills team are since they are used so sparingly. Speaking of fullbacks, there are plenty of RBs on these playoff teams that look to be about the same size as Corey McIntyre, and they carry the ball pretty often. Again, is it talent, or play calling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 (edited) Georgia Tight End Orson Charles Georgia Tech - It's a lock, he will become a Bill one way or the other! Edited January 15, 2012 by CSBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cocktosten Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Troupe over Gronk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Name the good tight ends in the NFL. I would bet that maybe 1 in 4 teams has a difference-making tight end. The Bills problem (if you want to complain about something) is not that they don't have a good tight end… it's that they only have one good wide receiver. An elite tight end is a luxury… especially if you don't have good wide receivers. If the Bills had Megatron playing opposite Stevie Johnson, there would be no conversation about tight ends. It would be nice if the Bills had an elite tight end. I'm a bit more worried about pass rusher, wide receiver... This. Like it or not this is where we are. Let's get on with filling the gaping holes we have before getting an uber TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 We really have two TEs the way Chan uses Nelson and Chandler is the same as NE* with Hernandez and Gonk (at least when they are 5 wide), Nelson is just a tad smaller then Hernandez by 30 lbs but an inch or two taller. And Chandler might be average but he is the best one we have had in quite a while. I want them to resign him even if they get another and copy Belicheat. I would love Fred and/or Spiller behind a 7 man front. It would also be the bomb for play action Like NE uses Hernandez and Gronk, you say? Unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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