papazoid Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 i'm going the other way.... THIS IS A GREAT DEAL FOR BOTH SIDES..... Oakland gets a proven franchise QB who had to throw to three washed up prima donna's in Ochostinko, T.O. and T. J. who's your mamma. Cincinnati gets two #1's that may or may not work out for a player that was never gonna play for them again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Oakland also should've asked themselves this question: Is this team good enough to win the Superbowl right now? That answer is of course "no". You don't trade away premium picks for old guys ESPECIALLY when you're not in a position to win the Superbowl that season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKRAAPY Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 How did the bengals pull this off? Dalton and the "retiring" aspect should lower palmers value, no? 2 first round picks are what i would expect peyton manning to go for. im probably wrong, just trying to make sense of the trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 The Bengals might be the team to watch in the next 2-4 years. Not with that coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 No they couldn't have. lol What if Carolina or StL. Had the #1 pick? PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFlutie Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Carson Palmer is a good player- but for 2 1st rounders? You have gotta be kidding me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 What if Carolina or StL. Had the #1 pick? They would receive much more of a bounty than Oakland's two first rounders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ (not THAT RJ) Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Without Al who pulled the trigger? PTR Jeff Littmann and Russ Brandon. They are everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Carson Palmer is a good player- but for 2 1st rounders? You have gotta be kidding me. If he plays well, it's a great trade for the Raiders. A franchise QB is easily worth two late first rounders (late because we're assuming for a second that Palmer plays well). Today's NFL is all about the QB, and the Raiders are reasonably stacked on both sides of the ball already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFlutie Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 If he plays well, it's a great trade for the Raiders. A franchise QB is easily worth two late first rounders (late because we're assuming for a second that Palmer plays well). Today's NFL is all about the QB, and the Raiders are reasonably stacked on both sides of the ball already. The guy is on the wrong side of 30... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfreak Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I wonder who the Raiders are going to cut to squeeze that new salary in under the cap. Probably going to put Campbell on the IR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 If he plays well, it's a great trade for the Raiders. A franchise QB is easily worth two late first rounders (late because we're assuming for a second that Palmer plays well). Today's NFL is all about the QB, and the Raiders are reasonably stacked on both sides of the ball already. And if I played like a franchise QB, I'd be worth two first rounders, too. Those are huge ifs though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Yes it's a lot to pay, but the NFL is a win-now league and Oakland has a good chance to win their division. They simply can't tank a promising season. To paraphrase Warden Norton, the Raiders need a QB. Not tomorrow, not after breakfast, now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 They are going after Carson Palmer big time right now so we'll see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) And if I played like a franchise QB, I'd be worth two first rounders, too. Those are huge ifs though. Palmer-led Bengals teams made the playoffs twice, which is more than be said for either the Bills in the last 11 years or the Bengals in the 12 years prior to Palmer's arrival. He's a good player - good size, big arm, and knows how to play. The Raiders have obviously had success with these sorts of castoff players (Plunkett, Gannon, Hostetler, Lamonica). It's a core part of their tradition. I'm guessing Al Davis is smiling right now. Also, Palmer has a lifetime QB rating of 87 and threw for just about 4000 yards last year: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PalmCa00.htm . Edited October 18, 2011 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsinytown Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Reminds me of the Herschel Walker trade..... Bringing in a new QB at mid season who hasn't taken a snap since last season, asking him to learn a new system in a couple of weeks, probably while he's on the field, against defenses that are going to throw every blitz package they can at him? I hope he's been working out...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Carson Palmer was a franchise QB in 2005, back then it would have been a good trade. But two 1st rounders for a guy who will be 32 this year with a surgically repaired knee and elbow problems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Yes it's a lot to pay, but the NFL is a win-now league and Oakland has a good chance to win their division. They simply can't tank a promising season. To paraphrase Warden Norton, the Raiders need a QB. Not tomorrow, not after breakfast, now. Excellent comment. Very true. Carson Palmer was a franchise QB in 2005, back then it would have been a good trade. But two 1st rounders for a guy who will be 32 this year with a surgically repaired knee and elbow problems? I know he threw a bunch of picks last year on what was a dysfunctional team, but his arm looked good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) lol at the Raiders this is the worst trade in nfl history. I think the Herschel Walker deal was worse, but I agree this is still a very bad trade for the Raiders! You don't give up two firsts, or a first and a second, for a guy as old as Carson Palmer! Carson Palmer was chosen first overall back in 2001. Now they're getting a very nice price for trading him away! Bearing this in mind, I decided to take a look at the value the Bills have received from their former first round picks. 2000: Erik Flowers. Result: released 2001: Nate Clements. Result: first contract and out 2002: Mike Williams. Result: released after a few years. 2003a: Drew Bledsoe. Result: released after three years 2003b: Willis McGahee. Result: traded away for two third rounders and a seventh round pick. 2004a: Lee Evans. Result: traded away for a fourth rounder. Was with the team seven years. 2004b: JP Losman. Result: released after a few years with the team. 2006a: Donte Whitner. Result: first contract and out 2006b: John McCargo. Result: released after a few years with the team 2007: Marshawn Lynch. Result: traded away for fourth and sixth round picks. At least based on trade value, Carson Palmer is worth more than all ten of those guys put together. And by a very wide margin, too! I attribute this to several factors: 1) The Raiders are overpaying for Palmer. He's old, and his play has declined. 2) The Bills have not received fair compensation for some of their departing players (like Clements). 3) There are quite a few busts on the above list of Bills' first round picks. 4) In the past, the Bills have focused their draft day resources on the wrong positions. In 2006, they could have used the eighth overall pick on Jay Cutler. Cutler was recently traded away for two first round picks; because good QBs are very valuable. Instead, the Bills squandered the eighth overall pick on a SS. Based on the contract Whitner ultimately signed, the Bills would have gotten almost nothing for him had they traded him away a year early. Likewise, the fourth and sixth round picks obtained by trading away Lynch demonstrate the relatively low value attributed to a standard-issue starting RB. The Palmer trade illustrates the benefit of picking a good player at a premium position like quarterback. (As opposed to the Bills' drafting strategy under the TD/Levy eras, which was to use first round picks on mediocre players at non-premium positions.) Edited October 18, 2011 by Edwards' Arm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I wouldn't be surprised if the trade gets voided because he fails a physical. The guy hasn't been around football for close a year. His conditioning can't be at game level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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