Time to Cut Moorman

[IDBillzFan]

Your logic is dizzying. "I personally can't think of any available punters: any college graduates, free agents, Australian rules standouts, NOBODY. Therefore, no replacement can exist."

 

Don't you think it'd be kind of a good idea to have some replacements in mind before you just randomly get rid of one of the best punters in the league?

[Homey D. Clown]

the only way this thread even makes any sense, and believe me, I was looking for something valid, is if we had someone in mind to challenge him for the job. I agree he had a bad year last year, but I think it's ridiculous to even consider cutting a guy who led the league as a punter in 2009(or was among the top, I can't remember, and don't care to research it) just because he has been our punter during a bad decade.

 

Sorry, but this is the dumbest reason yet to cut a player.

 

Better yet, let's cut Kyle Williams and Darius because Kyle wore those crappy jerseys last year, and Darius because he was drafted while they were our current digs.

Edited June 24, 2011 by McKinleys Curse

[San Jose Bills Fan]

Guy who wrote that piece gave me some great Dickie J intel back in the day. Super nice guy!

 

BTW, Brad Maynard is the punter most people on this board seem think Moorman is.

Oh yeah? What did he have to say about Skeletor?

 

 

[The Big Cat]

Don't you think it'd be kind of a good idea to have some replacements in mind before you just randomly get rid of one of the best punters in the league?

 

A few things:

 

First off, he's no longer one of the best punters in the league.

 

Second, there's been this lockout thingy going on, and it stopped FA dead in its tracks.

 

Thirdly, of course I think that's a good idea. I guess I'm rather curious as to how you know for certain there ISN'T a plan in the works...

 

the only way this thread even makes any sense, and believe me, I was looking for something valid, is if we had someone in mind to challenge him for the job. I agree he had a bad year last year, but I think it's ridiculous to even consider cutting a guy who led the league as a punter in 2009(or was among the top, I can't remember, and don't care to research it) just because he has been our punter during a bad decade.

 

Sorry, but this is the dumbest reason yet to cut a player.

 

Better yet, let's cut Kyle Williams and Darius because Kyle wore those crappy jerseys last year, and Darius because he was drafted while they were our current digs.

 

He didn't lead the league in 2009. He was top 5 in a few categories, but I'm far more interested in what he did in 2010. And what he managed from a performance standpoint was downright atrocious.

 

Oh yeah? What did he have to say about Skeletor?

 

Considered him and Mrs. Skeletor amily friends. Called him one of the nicest, most decent people he'd ever met. Said he never got a fair shake as a coach, always placed in bad situations.

[xsoldier54]

eball, you beat me to the punch (but only b/c I was still sleeping at 5:53 a.m.) that it was 2002.

 

I'm not among those who think Moorman should be cut outright without a competent replacement for either punter or as Lindell's holder. But, owing to his declining productivity, the team should be bringing in someone who can seriously compete for the job, not just some scrub from a local U brought in as a courtesy.

 

Way too often last year, Moorman walked off the field flinging his chinstrap against his helmet after a shank, a botched touchback (his numbers have simply eroded in this category), etc.

I agree completely. At least bring in someone who can legitimately compete. I find it mind boggling that Moorman can not execute the "coffin corner" kick. He repeatedly kicks the ball into the end zone instead of out of bounds, thus denying the defense a decided advantage. Hell I have kicked a little and I can adjust and kick the ball out of bounds instead of straight ahead if I want to. I just don't get his inability to execute this very basic task of a punter. He has had his moments for sure, but what could it hurt to bring in a younger fresher kicker to compete?

[Van_phelaN1]

So, Moorman has one bad year and because there is a uniform change occurring he should be cut?? Of ALL of the issues that could be addressed on this team, do you really think it was necessary to dedicate and entire post of ranting to ask we cut him? For Christs sakes he is the punter. I'm sure he will have a better year anyway and if not, then sure sign someone new. Just for the love of god don't wast your time thinking about it so much. They are just uniforms, and he is just a punter. I am starting to see why some people around here have such high post counts.

[Fan in Chicago]

 

You are correct, sir. Premise, blown. Back to the drawing board!

In which case we can keep Moorman for one more year ?

 

BTW, I smell sarcasm and a pretty good one at that.

[Coach Tuesday]

The last time Moorman made the Pro Bowl was in 2006, five years ago. Schobel made the Pro Bowl that year too. So did John Lynch. What's your point?

 

My point is that you should at least consider that his bad year had some correlation to the change in ST coaches. There are much bigger issues on this roster than the punter. He is also a team leader (yes, he is), and a great guy in the community. I'm not sure if this thread is serious or not, btw...

[The Big Cat]

My point is that you should at least consider that his bad year had some correlation to the change in ST coaches. There are much bigger issues on this roster than the punter. He is also a team leader (yes, he is), and a great guy in the community. I'm not sure if this thread is serious or not, btw...

 

It's partly serious.

 

It was intended to shake up the can a bit (sorely needed thanks to the lockout), get people to think about something new, to acknowledge some of the symbolism in today's uniform change AND the terrible year Moorman had last year (which went largely undiscussed).

 

There's something to be said about shedding every ounce of identity these losers have shaped over the past decade. Being so damn proud of our punter was emblematic of our roster's glaring deficiencies over that time, and quite frankly the joke is getting old. Buying Moorman jerseys, old. Having special teams be THE silver lining, old.

 

At this point, I would consider taking a crappier punter just to say we're making an honest to God fresh start. And after Moorman's performance last year, how much worse could a pro be? And don't blame his bad season on the coaches. That excuse worked (on most, not me) when Trent was around to apologize for, but a punter who can't put the ball where he's told? That's HIS fault, and his fault alone. It's a specialist position. It's his job.

[shoretalk]

Woke up on the wrong side of the bed did you?

 

Yes, those awful uniforms matched this dreadful decade but the one consistent even in his off seasons has been Moorman! He not only demonstrates ability on the field but exemplifies how millionaires should contribute to the communities where they live.

 

The good news is that with the improvements with the team we will be seeing him less and less on the field, which should improve his game (His punt numbers per game for the decade have to be near the top of the list and yet he is not worn down.).

 

Finally, last year we didn't bring in any punter in camp to both give him a break and to create a little competition. This year an added young punter in camp could clarify for everyone how good we have it!

[IDBillzFan]

A few things:

 

First off, he's no longer one of the best punters in the league.

 

Second, there's been this lockout thingy going on, and it stopped FA dead in its tracks.

 

Thirdly, of course I think that's a good idea. I guess I'm rather curious as to how you know for certain there ISN'T a plan in the works...

So to recap, "It doesn't matter. We have new uniforms. He had a bad year. Time to move on."

 

On the other hand, I'd probably get a kick out of seeing the look on your face after your boss calls you into his office and explains that one of the primary reason's he's firing you is because the company just got a new logo.

 

Plus, I'm not sure how you went from "We need to cut Moorman even though I have no replacement in mind" to "How do YOU know there's isn't a plan in the works," but as I noted in the beginning, you'll get a few people to bite.

 

Reminds me of ICE, ICE, baby.

[The Big Cat]

So to recap, "It doesn't matter. We have new uniforms. He had a bad year. Time to move on."

 

Yep.

 

And having a few FA replacements in mind is FAR more plausible than you're making out to be.

[DC Tom]

He should be cut because he had a genuinely ****ty season last year AND because it would satisfy some silly superstition (and we Bills fans eat that **** up).

 

I'm good with the silly superstition reason...but as I recall, Moorman's poor season was less Moorman's fault and more the change in long snappers. Even punting depends on teamwork.

 

But Christ. He's a punter. Are his contributions reeeeeally irreplaceable? Can we stop being so damn proud to call our punter our best player?

 

When the Bills' offense stinks as bad as it does...yes.

[UConn James]

He didn't lead the league in 2009. He was top 5 in a few categories, but I'm far more interested in what he did in 2010. And what he managed from a performance standpoint was downright atrocious.

 

Moorman lost a lot of his touch last year, with balls kicked from a prime pin-down spot either skirting just inside the 20 or bouncing into the end zone. Frankly, looking at his numbers, especially the "Inside the 20" category, the Bell curve peaks ~30 in 2006-7. He had 17 last year.

 

He rated 21st in the league. And while many of the stats for punters matter more on paper than on the field, being able to pin deep vs. getting touchbacks is crucial. He was swearing/yelling at himself far too much last year as he was walking off the field and that is what matters. At 35, he's not the oldest the league's seen in the kicking spots, but he's not exactly a spring chicken.

 

As for UFA, look at Weatherford's (Jets) numbers last year --- 42 placed inside the 20! Even Maynard had 24. It's not the biggest issue, but as I wrote, it would be nice to have options rather than chaining ourselves to him because he's the 10-year incumbent. The NFL isn't a popularity- or Mr. Nice Guy contest.

Edited June 24, 2011 by UConn James

[San Jose Bills Fan]

HIlarious thread btw… I was a bit concerned at first.

 

Y'all remember when the Bills sent that season ticket renewal reminder with the photo of Moorman punting out of the end zone against the Browns?

 

More genius decisions from OneBillsDrive.

 

And tonight they're showing the movie about Michael Oher… the guy the Bills didn't draft.

 

I'm not a believer that we should have drafted Oher, he was quite poor at left tackle last year... but we certainly shouldn't have drafted Maybin… and it's still funny because Ngata, Oher, and Bulaga are the three poster boys for who "should have been Bills" on this board.

 

I wonder if T.O. will be there tonight with a big box of popcorn.

 

It's partly serious.

 

It was intended to shake up the can a bit (sorely needed thanks to the lockout), get people to think about something new, to acknowledge some of the symbolism in today's uniform change AND the terrible year Moorman had last year (which went largely undiscussed).

 

There's something to be said about shedding every ounce of identity these losers have shaped over the past decade. Being so damn proud of our punter was emblematic of our roster's glaring deficiencies over that time, and quite frankly the joke is getting old. Buying Moorman jerseys, old. Having special teams be THE silver lining, old.

 

At this point, I would consider taking a crappier punter just to say we're making an honest to God fresh start. And after Moorman's performance last year, how much worse could a pro be? And don't blame his bad season on the coaches. That excuse worked (on most, not me) when Trent was around to apologize for, but a punter who can't put the ball where he's told? That's HIS fault, and his fault alone. It's a specialist position. It's his job.

 

That's HIS fault, and his fault alone. It's a specialist position. It's his job.

That's HIS fault, and his fault alone. It's a specialist position. It's his job.

That's HIS fault, and his fault alone. It's a specialist position. It's his job.

 

Everything's gonna be alright.

 

Edited June 24, 2011 by San Jose Bills Fan

[Nanker]

What's wrong with bringing in some strong legs for competition.

I'm sure Moorman punting for the Pasties or Dolphags.

[billsfreak]

The last time Moorman made the Pro Bowl was in 2006, five years ago. Schobel made the Pro Bowl that year too. So did John Lynch. What's your point?

I it obvious to everyone that he had a down year for him in 2010, but the main reason he hasn't made a Pro Bowl since 2006, is because the same punter has made the Pro Bowl every year since then and will retire as statiscally the greatest punter in NFL history most likey, in Shane Lechler (although I will still take Ray Guy for my money). Consider how great Lechler has been in 12 years in the league. He has the highest net punting average in NFL history, has been a 5 time Pro Bowler and 7 time All Pro and the only punter in history with at least one 50 yard punt in 33 straight games. Alot of athletes have down years, and I am sure Punters are no different, especially with a terrible line attempting to block in front of you. And yes, whether you get it or not, Moorman has been and still is one of the best players on this team even if he is a PUNTER! If it wasn't for Moorman, there is a good chance that this disaster of a franchise would have even won the 4-7 games it has yearly since he got here. Since 2005, Moorman is 3rd in the NFL in net punting average and has never had a punt returned for a TD in his career.

Edited June 24, 2011 by billsfreak

[Mr. WEO]

My point is that you should at least consider that his bad year had some correlation to the change in ST coaches. There are much bigger issues on this roster than the punter. He is also a team leader (yes, he is), and a great guy in the community. I'm not sure if this thread is serious or not, btw...

Moorman shanks punts because April is gone?

[BuffaloWest]

We should take a good hard look at Reggie Robie.

I think he's available and it would be cool to have the only black punter in the league.

 

One time I saw Robie walking into the tunnel at Rich Stadium and as he was walking in he tripped on the turf and fell on the ground.

I said to him- " Robie you can't walk , let alone punt!"....He flipped me off.

Thought that was funny.

 

Lighten up everyone-The Moorman thing is a joke....Funny too!

 

Go Bills.

 

The uniforms from the past 8-9 seasons sucked-badly with exception of logo. Just all over the place.

Buffalo owns a very appealing brand IMO with either the standing or charging buffalo

 

The only teams with worse unis...

 

* Baltimore- For whatever reason, the team, brand, logo, color scheme etc has absolutely no appeal

* Seattle- Logo still fine, but Go back to the 70/80's Chuck Knox, Steve Largent look

* Tampa Bay- A bad Pirates Of The Carribean themed cross between the Niners and Raiders-Originals are way cooler

* AZ Cardinals- Color Scheme fine, nothing intimidating about a cardinal or any small bird for that matter

 

We will shoot to top five best looking with our new unis.

And that alone is enough for us to make it to the Superbowl.

Edited June 24, 2011 by BuffaloWest

[Hey Hey]

A few notables made their Buffalo debuts in 2001:

 

Nate Clements - gone.

Travis Henry - gone.

New uniforms - as of tomorrow, gone.

Aaron Schobel - Finally. Officially. Gone.

Brian Moorman - not gone.

 

Ten years later, and the B-man has given some groovy times. Fans got a kick out of buying his jersey ironically. He was great for the community. And he was an all around super nice guy.

 

But it's been ten years. Tomorrow's new uniforms will officially usher out an era--a sad, self-destructing, playoffless era. A decade of despair.

 

There's but one Bill who strapped on a uniform for each and everyone of those 160 soul shattering **** bombs. Brian Moorman.

 

It's time we close this chapter. Slam the book shut, and throw it in the fire.

 

Brian Moorman has got to go.

 

Not just to satisfy some silly superstition, no.

 

He should be cut because he had a genuinely ****ty season last year AND because it would satisfy some silly superstition (and we Bills fans eat that **** up).

 

Besides, I'm getting tired of the nice guys and the moral victories and all that ****. I'm not saying we have to get a cop killer back there to punt the ball, but part of me thinks it would be really cool if we did.

 

Especially if the cop killer managed to crack the top-20 in ANY meaningful punting statistic, something Moorman failed to do in 2010.

 

I am so jazzed to see the new uniforms tomorrow. I love the fact that Marcel Dareus will be the first first rounder to squeeze into one. The first first rounder to don the old ones, Nate Clements.

 

We've ditched the backfield for the trenches. It's time we swap the nice-guy with the cop killer, or any other competent punter.

 

Yes, Moorman has put up some great numbers.

He's been a community icon.

He's been Mr. Reliable

 

But Christ. He's a punter. Are his contributions reeeeeally irreplaceable? Can we stop being so damn proud to call our punter our best player?

 

Which would you rather have: more of the same, or a fresh new start?

 

A new era begins tomorrow.

So you think it would be cool if we had a "cop killer" on the team. It's people like you that give us Bills fans a bad name sometimes. Pick your words a little more wisely. WOW. Some of us happen to be "cops".