DC Tom Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 If the vast majority were struggling to get by, Buffalo, Cleveland and Oakland would have stopped having teams, long ago. His point was, in equaling the revenue sharing for the league, all 32 teams can survive (although Jerry Jones and his ilk would love to see that change), and television, and league revenues dwarf those of "America's game", baseball, where viewers are tuning out quickly. If you don't let everyone compete, after awhile, they don't care anymore...the Yankees GM, just this week, accused the Rangers of relying on "welfare" for the way they handled the dealings with Cliff Lee. I suspect there are quite a few here, who hate the Yankees because the "buy championships"...the irony is just funny to me. Yes, I got his point. Never mind it's an idiotic point...I'm more than willing to let that go, as he was trying to be funny (emphasis on "trying" - he may have succeded in being satirical, but he hasn't been funny in a decade). He must have hurt your feelings too... Actually, I was criticizing you, nitwit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted January 30, 2011 Author Share Posted January 30, 2011 Hey But, maybe you haven't noticed but you're vehemently defending a former stand up comic who thinks that socialism will work in real life because it works in football. Think about that for a second. Is that really a position you endorse? Your right Piss, socialism should only be embraced when it helps to maintain the status quo (as !@#$ed up as it may be), but never when it could help...I am not sure I was "vehemently defending a former stand up comic" so much as taking exception to that fact that those doing the criticism don't even know what they are criticizing. Sort of the "lemming" thing they like to accuse anyone who doesn't share their narrow world view. BTW- the business of football is as relevant to "real life" in America, as anything else. Yes, I got his point. Never mind it's an idiotic point...I'm more than willing to let that go, as he was trying to be funny (emphasis on "trying" - he may have succeded in being satirical, but he hasn't been funny in a decade). Actually, I was criticizing you, nitwit. Got it nincompoop! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Your right Piss, socialism should only be embraced when it helps to maintain the status quo (as !@#$ed up as it may be), but never when it could help...I am not sure I was "vehemently defending a former stand up comic" so much as taking exception to that fact that those doing the criticism don't even know what they are criticizing. Sort of the "lemming" thing they like to accuse anyone who doesn't share their narrow world view. BTW- the business of football is as relevant to "real life" in America, as anything else. We didn't know what we were criticizing? Yeah that was some complex stuff he was spouting there. The business of football is relevant to real life?? You live a weird life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 This is still one of my favorite youtube clips. The booing that only furthers his case is priceless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Probably the only thing I love about the Yankees is that they "buy" championships. See what you call buy I call an investment. It's what smart wealthy people do. Unfortunately our Bills are owned by a dumb wealthy person. So middle of the pack as far as salaries is dumb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 So, does Maher take the total revenues from his show and split it equally among the people working on it? Does each guest even get an equal split of the night's revenue? Perhaps if that were the case, his show would actually be enjoyable, like football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Your right Piss, socialism should only be embraced when it helps to maintain the status quo (as !@#$ed up as it may be), but never when it could help...I am not sure I was "vehemently defending a former stand up comic" so much as taking exception to that fact that those doing the criticism don't even know what they are criticizing. Sort of the "lemming" thing they like to accuse anyone who doesn't share their narrow world view. BTW- the business of football is as relevant to "real life" in America, as anything else. Yes, we should get 4 tries at emplyment to make it to 100K/ year and then you have to stop working. Or, if you travel 100 miles in your car, the government should give you $6. WTF? Football is not real life. Next up: Butfex's dissertation on the relevance of Go Fish! to the situation in Egypt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 So middle of the pack as far as salaries is dumb? Just throwing money at an investment does not make the investment smart. The Yankees throw money at talent. The Bills throw money at failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 (edited) Yes, we should get 4 tries at emplyment to make it to 100K/ year and then you have to stop working. Or, if you travel 100 miles in your car, the government should give you $6. WTF? Football is not real life. Next up: Butfex's dissertation on the relevance of Go Fish! to the situation in Egypt. Nest up: Peace tries to justify privileges for the wealthy that have been abused. Oh wait... Edited January 31, 2011 by Booster4324 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Nest up: Peace tries to justify privileges for the wealthy that have been abused. Oh wait... Next up: Booster notices that the privileges article was written by a cartoonist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Next up: Booster notices that the privileges article was written by a cartoonist. Next up: Peace notices he is being mocked. Maybe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted January 31, 2011 Author Share Posted January 31, 2011 (edited) Yes, we should get 4 tries at emplyment to make it to 100K/ year and then you have to stop working. Or, if you travel 100 miles in your car, the government should give you $6. WTF? Football is not real life. Next up: Butfex's dissertation on the relevance of Go Fish! to the situation in Egypt. You are either incredibly stupid (I will give you the benefit of a doubt, as you can spell), or, like Chef, you are creatively editing what I said...to score points with your PPP friends. I said that the business of football, which is what this issue was supposed to be about, was as relevant as anything else in America. We elect businessmen and CEO's to run our country, Republicans seem to approach everything (at least when it is convenient) as a business model. There are few businesses in America that are as successful as the NFL. The NFL is, essentially, a perfect model of socialism, that works. Sure, they have their labor issues every few decades, but nobody loses money, and everyone involved makes a healthy living. I am sorry that this thread got out of hand...I really was hoping it would turn into a discussion about the content of what I posted (Maher's editorial) rather than just an attack on Maher...but that it is kind of the way things go on this forum...I will admit, it was stupid of me to expect anything else. Edited January 31, 2011 by Buftex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 The NFL is, essentially, a perfect model of socialism... No, it really, REALLY isn't. My God, that's the stupidest thing I've read here since conner was banned. You meant that seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 I laugh, because your response was ridiculous. You say you didn't watch the video (because you don't "need to"), Actually,...if you bothered to read my whole post, its clear I DID wind up reading it. and it is obvious that you don't watch Maher, or listen to him enough to come up with the response you gave. It was silly for you to respond, because your response is not to the message, but merely the messenger. I clearly explained that I watched more less every show of his for over ten years and to you, thats "not listening enough"??!!!?? The circle-jerkers here (you amongst them) normally have a field day with responses like yours. You, in this instance, are like the cliche of the guy who goes into any thread mentioning Howard Stern, and says how much you loath him, yet admit you don't listen to him. Again...slowly this time....I HAVE listened to him. I have watched him. I have read him. More or less everything that fell out of his smirking pie-hole since moustaches were still in style. And again...you dont get to choose the responses you want to get. Dont !@#$ing post if you dont want a response. Maher is much more balanced in his criticism than you make him out to be, and, in fact, has come under quite a bit of heat from left-leaners, for being to critical of Obama...if he hurt your feelings when you used to follow him, it only furthers his argument, as much as the right criticizes the left for being "pussies" (we see it all the time here, no TSW), they sure get their panties in a wad over silly symbolic things pretty easily. The ideology that "ALL Republicans are evil" is balanced, huh? And wait a second.....now Maher is a "silly symbolic" thing??!!!?? Are you kidding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 You are either incredibly stupid (I will give you the benefit of a doubt, as you can spell), or, like Chef, you are creatively editing what I said...to score points with your PPP friends. I said that the business of football, which is what this issue was supposed to be about, was as relevant as anything else in America. We elect businessmen and CEO's to run our country, Republicans seem to approach everything (at least when it is convenient) as a business model. There are few businesses in America that are as successful as the NFL. The NFL is, essentially, a perfect model of socialism, that works. Sure, they have their labor issues every few decades, but nobody loses money, and everyone involved makes a healthy living. I am sorry that this thread got out of hand...I really was hoping it would turn into a discussion about the content of what I posted (Maher's editorial) rather than just an attack on Maher...but that it is kind of the way things go on this forum...I will admit, it was stupid of me to expect anything else. Ever notice that the NFL is a little protective of its brand, broadcast rights, images... Try: The NFL is the perfect model of capitalism. A very few incredible talents get together and maximize their wealth by making it an exclusive club. Doesn't sound like socialism to me. Your argument about the NFL being socialist is like saying McDonalds is socialist because each franchise has essentially the same menu with the exact same prices. Next up: Peace notices he is being mocked. Maybe... No, I note the attempt. And its failure. You accused me of taking seriously an article--written by a cartoonist--about absurd rewards for rich taxpayers. I am humbled by your wit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Next up: Butfex's dissertation on the relevance of Go Fish! to the situation in Egypt. Now that's just damn funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 There are few businesses in America that are as successful as the NFL. Now you're just either being naive or stupid. Seeing I don't know you I'll say naive. Oh and you do realize that the NFL can be considered a monopoly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Just because the league decides to share a portion of its revenues among member clubs does not make it a socialist endeavor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Just because the league decides to share a portion of its revenues among member clubs does not make it a socialist endeavor. Key concept that Maher and Buftex miss. Like I said...I'll forgive Maher, as he's trying to be funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 (edited) You are either incredibly stupid (I will give you the benefit of a doubt, as you can spell), or, like Chef, you are creatively editing what I said...to score points with your PPP friends. I said that the business of football, which is what this issue was supposed to be about, was as relevant as anything else in America. We elect businessmen and CEO's to run our country, Republicans seem to approach everything (at least when it is convenient) as a business model. There are few businesses in America that are as successful as the NFL. The NFL is, essentially, a perfect model of socialism, that works. Sure, they have their labor issues every few decades, but nobody loses money, and everyone involved makes a healthy living. I am sorry that this thread got out of hand...I really was hoping it would turn into a discussion about the content of what I posted (Maher's editorial) rather than just an attack on Maher...but that it is kind of the way things go on this forum...I will admit, it was stupid of me to expect anything else. Talk about comparing apples to oranges. So you're drawing an equivalence between a government and an individual organization. One distinction that you've missed (despite your arrogant condescension...ironic I know) is that football is a zero sum game. Every game has 1 winner and 1 loser (unless they tie). You can't "make a bigger pie" like you can in a free market society, but I'm sure you already knew that. I do want to thank you for two things: 1. for picking up Conner's slack, and 2. reminding me why I seldom engage those I know personally in political discussion because often times people who seem reasonable in other venues devolve into blithering idiots when delving into discussions of politics. Edited January 31, 2011 by Rob's House Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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