Coach Tuesday Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Just focusing on the top of the draft: 2007 - Anthony Gonzalez, WR, RD1; Tony Ugoh, OT, RD2 2008 - traded away first round pick to 49ers. 2009 - Donald Brown, RB, RD1 2010 - Jerry Hughes, DE, RD1 All of these players are underperformers. Gonzalez is injury-prone and has been passed on the depth chart by Collie and Garcon. Ugho was drafted as the LT of the future and was released this year. Donald Brown was a total waste of a pick and has been supplanted on the depth chart by Mike Hart. Jerry Hughes is having a rookie year much like Maybin's 2009 - he is weak at the POA and cannot get on the field (and when he does, he isn't making a difference). Just saying, with all of the Polian talk around here, it's worth bearing in mind that he has his share of misses. Perhaps having the best QB ever to play the game can make up for lots of bad personnel decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flmike Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Umm.. Kelly was not the best QB to play the game. He was a darn good one and the best we've had, but there are about 8 in front of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthtobrint Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 He's been consistently finding solid starters like Sessions and Powers in the middle rounds along with a couple standout receivers in Garcon and Collie (although Peyton makes them look better than they probably are). I agree, though. He has been missing on early round picks lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b stein 22 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Umm.. Kelly was not the best QB to play the game. He was a darn good one and the best we've had, but there are about 8 in front of him. He is talking about PAt Manning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthtobrint Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Umm.. Kelly was not the best QB to play the game. He was a darn good one and the best we've had, but there are about 8 in front of him. He was referring to Peyton Manning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Umm.. Kelly was not the best QB to play the game. He was a darn good one and the best we've had, but there are about 8 in front of him. He was talking about Manning. Who I agree carries that offense. And they've done a decent job finding later-round picks on defense, to complement Freeney, who is a monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Umm.. Kelly was not the best QB to play the game. He was a darn good one and the best we've had, but there are about 8 in front of him. he's talking about Manning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b stein 22 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 (edited) IT was manning DC Grid ruined this thread Edited November 2, 2010 by b stein 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep2evans Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 he's talking about Manning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVUFootball29 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 I think he was talking about Manning, not Kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted November 2, 2010 Author Share Posted November 2, 2010 I was talking about Kerry Colllins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Grid Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 You're missing a big part of the story. Take a look at what he found later in just a couple of those drafts: 2009- Austin Collie- 4th round 2008- Pierre Garconn- 6th round And this is just off the top of my head. I'm pretty sure there are more such picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Just focusing on the top of the draft: 2007 - Anthony Gonzalez, WR, RD1; Tony Ugoh, OT, RD2 2008 - traded away first round pick to 49ers. 2009 - Donald Brown, RB, RD1 2010 - Jerry Hughes, DE, RD1 All of these players are underperformers. Gonzalez is injury-prone and has been passed on the depth chart by Collie and Garcon. Ugho was drafted as the LT of the future and was released this year. Donald Brown was a total waste of a pick and has been supplanted on the depth chart by Mike Hart. Jerry Hughes is having a rookie year much like Maybin's 2009 - he is weak at the POA and cannot get on the field (and when he does, he isn't making a difference). Just saying, with all of the Polian talk around here, it's worth bearing in mind that he has his share of misses. Perhaps having the best QB ever to play the game can make up for lots of bad personnel decisions. The Colts re-acquired John Unitas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 (edited) Just focusing on the top of the draft: 2007 - Anthony Gonzalez, WR, RD1; Tony Ugoh, OT, RD2 2008 - traded away first round pick to 49ers. 2009 - Donald Brown, RB, RD1 2010 - Jerry Hughes, DE, RD1 All of these players are underperformers. Gonzalez is injury-prone and has been passed on the depth chart by Collie and Garcon. Ugho was drafted as the LT of the future and was released this year. Donald Brown was a total waste of a pick and has been supplanted on the depth chart by Mike Hart. Jerry Hughes is having a rookie year much like Maybin's 2009 - he is weak at the POA and cannot get on the field (and when he does, he isn't making a difference). Just saying, with all of the Polian talk around here, it's worth bearing in mind that he has his share of misses. Perhaps having the best QB ever to play the game can make up for lots of bad personnel decisions. You are right. Instead of lamenting how monumentally stupid letting Polian walk was we should try to convince ourselves he "isn't that good" instead. Denial can provide a comforting escape from reality. His brief resume: Over .650 winning percentage for two decades with three teams. All were losers when he came and winners while he was there, Carolina and buffalo have been losers since he left. He built 3 different teams into contenders (conference championship appearance or better), 2 perennial contenders for years and years and the third is unknown as he left after 2 seasons. Come on man, does it really matter what you think of his last few drafts? Edited November 2, 2010 by over 20 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted November 2, 2010 Author Share Posted November 2, 2010 You are right. Instead of lamenting how monumentally stupid letting Polian walk was we should try to convince ourselves he "isn't that good" instead. Denial can provide a comforting escape from reality. His brief resume: Over .650 winning percentage for two decades with three teams. All were losers when he came and winners while he was there, Carolina and buffalo have been losers since he left. He built 3 different teams into contenders (conference championship appearance or better), 2 perennial contenders for years and years and the third is unknown as he left after 2 seasons. Come on man, does it really matter what you think of his last few drafts? Look up in the sky, and you might see the ACTUAL point I was making flying over your head. If you think I'm defending this organization, you're nuts. Ask anyone here who knows my posts (and my tone). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Perhaps having the best QB ever to play the game can make up for lots of bad personnel decisions. Gee, perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Talk about a stretch by the OP. I prefer to look at it this way. He is good enough assembling talent other than high profile picks. They can afford to bif up some pics. How about finding diamonds in the rough? From Colts.com "Gil Brandt of NFL.com recently compiled a list of the top 75 undrafted free agents of all-time. Three current and former Colts were named to the list: center Jeff Saturday, kicker Adam Vinatieri and wide receiver/return specialist Terrence Wilkins." Or "The Colts’ philosophy has long been one of giving undrafted free agents an opportunity to make the roster. The Colts have uncovered some other undrafted free agent gems. Among them, Dominic Rhodes and Gary Brackett." "Rhodes had signed with the Colts after going undrafted in the 2001 draft. He missed the 2002 season with an injury, but battled back to be a key contributor for the Colts from 2003-06 and the 2008 season. Rhodes helped the Colts to a 29-17 victory in Super Bowl XLI by rushing for 113 yards and one touchdown. Brackett joined the Colts in 2003. The Glassboro, N.J., native was a standout college football player at Rutgers, but was not drafted. Brackett made the Colts squad as an undrafted free agent and primarily made his mark on special teams in his first two seasons. In 2005, Brackett won the starting middle linebacker position in training camp and was named the Colts defensive captain in 2006. He has started the last 72 games he has played in and has over 100 tackles in each of the last five seasons. Now entering his eighth season with the Colts, the former college walk-on and undrafted free agent is considered one of the NFL’s premier middle linebackers. This past season, the Colts had nine regular contributors in addition to Brackett, Saturday and Vinatieri that entered the league as undrafted free agents. The team often started two undrafted free agents in its defensive backfield. Melvin Bullitt (12 starts) and Jacob Lacey (nine starts) combined for 160 tackles, three interceptions and 14 passes defensed. Dan Muir (10 starts) and Eric Foster (five starts) were part of a defensive line that allowed only 10 rushing touchdowns all season. And Ramon Humber, Chad Simpson and Jamie Silva all were special teams standouts for the Colts. Simpson was the team’s kickoff returner, and returned one kickoff for a touchdown at Jacksonville, the Colts first touchdown on a kickoff return since Rhodes had an 88-yard touchdown in 2004. Humber and Silva finished first and second, respectively, on the team in special teams tackles, while Kyle DeVan started the final nine games of the season at RG and Gijon Robinson started 10 games in the H-Back role." Just one. Funny how the Colts don't have to depend on big name drafts picks or FA signing to save them. Don't worry. If the Bills get the 1st round pick odds are they are going to f it up anyway cause thats just the way they roll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsox Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 (edited) Just focusing on the top of the draft: 2007 - Anthony Gonzalez, WR, RD1; Tony Ugoh, OT, RD2 2008 - traded away first round pick to 49ers. 2009 - Donald Brown, RB, RD1 2010 - Jerry Hughes, DE, RD1 All of these players are underperformers. Gonzalez is injury-prone and has been passed on the depth chart by Collie and Garcon. Ugho was drafted as the LT of the future and was released this year. Donald Brown was a total waste of a pick and has been supplanted on the depth chart by Mike Hart. Jerry Hughes is having a rookie year much like Maybin's 2009 - he is weak at the POA and cannot get on the field (and when he does, he isn't making a difference). Just saying, with all of the Polian talk around here, it's worth bearing in mind that he has his share of misses. Perhaps having the best QB ever to play the game can make up for lots of bad personnel decisions. What a BLEEP you are. I don't like to go out and call people names, but come on man. Really? The guy builds winning teams. Not everyone is gonna be a sure pick. But as others have already posted, look at what he finds in the later rounds. He finds solid players for his team to be competitive. And seriously when was the last time the Colts didn't make it to the playoffs????? I'd take Bill Polian back in a heartbeat. Edited November 2, 2010 by mattsox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Look up in the sky, and you might see the ACTUAL point I was making flying over your head. If you think I'm defending this organization, you're nuts. Ask anyone here who knows my posts (and my tone). So your point is that Polian is overated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted November 2, 2010 Author Share Posted November 2, 2010 So your point is that Polian is overated? At drafting, yes. And also that drafting is overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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