jamestown-cuse Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 Perry Fewell had a superior defense to the scheme we're currently running. I know they were motivated to make the switch because we face a lot of that same D and it would help prepare our offense for game day. Here's the problem, we don't have the personel the replicate what these other teams are doing to us so what's the point. We've been running with 4 down lineman most of the year anyways so whats the point? To make the gameplan more confusing for our front 7? Should have kept him on as DC cuz Mr. Edwards is just not the answer. PS. Did anyone see what Perry's defense did to Jay Cutler and "one of the hottest teams in the NFC"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 Perry Fewell had a superior defense to the scheme we're currently running. I know they were motivated to make the switch because we face a lot of that same D and it would help prepare our offense for game day. Here's the problem, we don't have the personel the replicate what these other teams are doing to us so what's the point. We've been running with 4 down lineman most of the year anyways so whats the point? To make the gameplan more confusing for our front 7? Should have kept him on as DC cuz Mr. Edwards is just not the answer. PS. Did anyone see what Perry's defense did to Jay Cutler and "one of the hottest teams in the NFC"? I'm pretty sure the Giants' front 7 is one of the best, if not THE best, in the NFL. Not to mention, the switch to the 3-4 will not pay dividends in the first 4 weeks, and possibly not the entire season. When Green Bay made the transition to the 3-4 they were awful in the first half of the season, but as the year progressed, they became one of the league's better defenses. It takes time to get everyone on the same page and the Packers had more personnel that the Bills that were suitable to the switch. Patience, young padawan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgrid Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 yep, the transition to 3-4 might take awile. I do find it strange they chose this yr to do that, w/ all the other holes on offense. but that's where we're headed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 (edited) Perry Fewell had a superior defense to the scheme we're currently running. I know they were motivated to make the switch because we face a lot of that same D and it would help prepare our offense for game day. Here's the problem, we don't have the personel the replicate what these other teams are doing to us so what's the point. We've been running with 4 down lineman most of the year anyways so whats the point? To make the gameplan more confusing for our front 7? Should have kept him on as DC cuz Mr. Edwards is just not the answer. PS. Did anyone see what Perry's defense did to Jay Cutler and "one of the hottest teams in the NFC"? Perry Fewell's Tampa 2 had many warts last season. The Bills were horrible against the run last season and they still are. The constant is the personnel on the field. The switch to the 3-4 was not in vain because that is the system the coach wants to run. So they have to get the right players to run that system. Players have to get experience playing in that system. If you wanted a great defense to pop out of geenie bottle then this switch will cause you to make the statement you did. Down the line the switch will be fine if they get the players. Perry Fewell is a good DC. I liked him in Buffalo. His defense is doing well in NYC because they have a thing called TALENT. Give the Bills the Giants defense and they will be good too. The Bills have nobody in their front 7 who is better than the Giants players. Edited October 7, 2010 by purple haze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 I think they made the change this year because it takes time. Better to implement it ASAP considering a total team overhaul is taking place. I think the D's struggles have more to do with the difficulty in adapting to the new scheme and less to do with the player's talent level, although the talent level is obviously not that great. Hopefully there will be at least 5 new starters in 2011 (if there is a 2011). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 yep, the transition to 3-4 might take awile. I do find it strange they chose this yr to do that, w/ all the other holes on offense. but that's where we're headed. Why not now? They wanted to run the 3-4 so at some point they were going to have to go through this transition. Even drafting players who "fit" the system those players will have to get used to playing it at the professional level. So no time to switch like the present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 Perry Fewell had a superior defense to the scheme we're currently running. I know they were motivated to make the switch because we face a lot of that same D and it would help prepare our offense for game day. Here's the problem, we don't have the personel the replicate what these other teams are doing to us so what's the point. We've been running with 4 down lineman most of the year anyways so whats the point? To make the gameplan more confusing for our front 7? Should have kept him on as DC cuz Mr. Edwards is just not the answer. PS. Did anyone see what Perry's defense did to Jay Cutler and "one of the hottest teams in the NFC"? Yikes, how short memories are. Is the the same defense that couldn't get off the field on 3rd downs and got steamrolled in the 4th quarter weekly? The same D that couldn't stop the run on it's best day? The same D with "small fast guys" who got worn down the longer the season went on? The same D that gave opposing QB's zero pressure? I NEVER want that defense back - period. Perry's doing better in NY because he's got better talent. There is no great time to switch schemes, but I argue this was the right time. While we didn't have great 3-4 personnel to build on, the fact is we didn't have any good personnel to build on period. We don't have much talent and now is the time to build from scratch. We are going to suck this year and I keep saying it....don't lose with the same lame talent and veterans. Play the kids and rooks and take our lumps this year. We'll be better for it next year as we get in better players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgrid Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 Why not now? They wanted to run the 3-4 so at some point they were going to have to go through this transition. Even drafting players who "fit" the system those players will have to get used to playing it at the professional level. So no time to switch like the present. yeah, very true. just creates awful lot of holes to fill at one time. but yeah, this is the Year of Biting the Bullet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beebe's Kid Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 No kidding...what they should have done is spend 3 years getting the players in place for the offense and the 4-3, then shoot the defense in the foot and make the switch. When will the idiots at OBD get it!!! Wow...everybody knew it was coming...it comes, and you're surprised. If this works, it is all for the better, but you'll still be bitter about this year, so good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 Takes time folks..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 its official, the roller coaster just added some new loops. 4 YEARS of watching people B word and complain about our defense, and now that we have started the PROCESS of switching schemes, people are right back here saying that the old defense was "superior". you guys are all too much. impatient and never happy. not that the team has given s much to be happy about. but we are in the middle of all the changes we've begged for. it doesnt all happen instantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonian-at-Heart Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 This post is absurd. We are predominantly still in the 4-3. Good god, know what you're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 You're so vain You probably think you don't need a pass rush... You're so vain I'll bet you think Maybin can play linebacker... Don't you? Don't you? Don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonian-at-Heart Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 You're so vain You probably think you don't need a pass rush... You're so vain I'll bet you think Maybin can play linebacker... Don't you? Don't you? Don't you? You had me several years ago when I was still quite naive Well you said that we made such a pretty pair And that you would never leave But you gave away the things you loved and one of them was me I had some dreams, they were clouds in my coffee Clouds in my coffee, and... - Trent Edwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermike Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 I generally don't think overhauling a defensive scheme is worth the effort, but I do think that long-term, the 3-4 offers more than the Cover-2. But we still have to put up with the transition, which is frustrating. I'd have rather just lightly transitioned the defense from a pure Tampa 2 to a more traditional base 4-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 its official, the roller coaster just added some new loops. 4 YEARS of watching people B word and complain about our defense, and now that we have started the PROCESS of switching schemes, people are right back here saying that the old defense was "superior". you guys are all too much. impatient and never happy. not that the team has given s much to be happy about. but we are in the middle of all the changes we've begged for. it doesnt all happen instantly. Damn hot pockets...what's taking so long?? PPTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 Perry Fewell had a superior defense to the scheme we're currently running. I know they were motivated to make the switch because we face a lot of that same D and it would help prepare our offense for game day. Here's the problem, we don't have the personel the replicate what these other teams are doing to us so what's the point. We've been running with 4 down lineman most of the year anyways so whats the point? To make the gameplan more confusing for our front 7? Should have kept him on as DC cuz Mr. Edwards is just not the answer. PS. Did anyone see what Perry's defense did to Jay Cutler and "one of the hottest teams in the NFC"? Last years D was just as bad. Teams ran for 200 yds/game and we had no pass rush. Nothing has changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 (edited) If you wanted to keep Perry, then you needed to make him HC. He was not going to take a demotion especially considering that he had an offer to be a DC at a better team. Changing to the 3-4 was a bad decision. Again, the Bills are latecomers to the latest hot defense. Again, they struggle finding personnel who fit. They should have just switched to a more standard 4-3 or gone to a more pressure-packed version like the 46 or some variation. Edited October 7, 2010 by johnnyb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamestown-cuse Posted October 7, 2010 Author Share Posted October 7, 2010 I'm pretty sure the Giants' front 7 is one of the best, if not THE best, in the NFL. Not to mention, the switch to the 3-4 will not pay dividends in the first 4 weeks, and possibly not the entire season. When Green Bay made the transition to the 3-4 they were awful in the first half of the season, but as the year progressed, they became one of the league's better defenses. It takes time to get everyone on the same page and the Packers had more personnel that the Bills that were suitable to the switch. Patience, young padawan. Well where's the growth? Where's the improvement? Where's the guys like J.Peppers that love the 3/4? 7-9 doesn't sound so bad anymore... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 (edited) Well where's the growth? Where's the improvement? Where's the guys like J.Peppers that love the 3/4? 7-9 doesn't sound so bad anymore... After 4 weeks??? Isn't it blatantly obvious in the post of mine that you cite that what I'm saying is it took the Packers half a season to adjust to the 3-4 even when their personnel was much better suited to the transition than ours? What are you even reading that you respond with this question? It will take time, it's not an overnight fix. For !@#$'s sake. There is no way this team can go 7-9 this year regardless of what defensive system they employ. Edited October 7, 2010 by Punch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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