Keep it going Nix....Im with ya!

[It's in My Blood]

idk im still skeptical, we really needed o line and linebacker help and we didnt get any of it in the draft. Im a big fan of spiller and all but i mean at this point (assuming spiller is good) we have crappy wideouts, tight ends, qbs, tackles, and maybe even guards (wood has not looked the same since injury) on the other side, our lbs suck and our d line sucks. So basically we need a whole lot of everything

 

Im tired of posts like these. Dude , we are rebuilding and when the pieces to Nix's puzzle are available or attainable , rest assure they will be acquired. I have more faith in this FO than I've had since Polian was running the show. Be a fan not a critic (yet). This is your team , the team you root for , and the team that matters. Give them more than 1/4 of a season to get it right.

Edited October 7, 2010 by stevecana

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Well how is a 24 year old, 2x 1,000 yard rusher, who has been to the pro-bowl...NOT in your long-term plans???

 

One perception, for what it's worth, is that Lynch "puts on the brakes" and plays when he feels like it.

He doesn't seem real into the "blocking" thing, which is dearly needed with our OL as it is.

I thought he quit on the team in the 2nd half of the Jets game.

 

He's a vet and looked up to by the young players on the team.

If he's setting anything less than the best example with 100% effort, he needs to go and have 100% effort, 100% of the game guys as examples to the young players.

[offsides#76FredSmerlas]

Bingo! The senator has the floor. Good GM's make the moves BEFORE the season starts! Evaluate, make cuts make, additions and go with it. This is not a well run team. Period.

I guess those guy running the Patriots have no idea what their doing...

[uforesircher]

I am telling you we need to part ways with a few more, some that would really cause the fanbase to slit their wrists lol.

 

i agree with you iceman - there are still some players that need to be gone - and yes some of those will cause the fanbase some mental anguish - but it still needs to be done. i like the fact that gm nix and coach gailey WILL build THEIR team according to THEIR PLAN and not anyone else's. the only downer imo is it will take until the 2012 season to be contending for the division - but the wait will be worth it becasue we will be a force for some years after that as well.

[Slack_in_MA]

They should decide who the *gamers* are, if any, and build a team around them. Take as much currency into next April's draft as possible, overpay a little for the right GAMERS to come to Buffalo in free agency, and maybe we'll be on to something.

 

 

This is where I'm at. You find out a lot about a person's character when things aren't going well-- what kind of teammate they are, how they deal with adversity, etc. Gailey and Nix will have a tough job keeping young talents like Spiller, Wood, Byrd, etc. motivated and focused on the bigger picture throughout what's likely a very bad experience this season. Drafting a franchise QB and some quality FA leaders in next year will help. It's an exercise in leadership on many levels.

[offyourocker]

I'm on board with the purge too but I'm absolutely mystified as to why they're not purging Kelsay. Rather, they gave him a sizable contract extension. I continue to be baffled by this and struggle with it. He's old, under-performs, has no idea what he's doing, and has no business even starting on any NFL team.

 

 

Agree 100%. That was a very worrysome move

[JPS]

Exactly right. So why in the fugg did they take a RB in the first round last year? Especially after history just scolded them with their last two RB's in the first round.

 

Mind Boggling.

Because Spiller was the best player by a mile. Would you rather have possible Tony Dorsett or possible Aaron Maybin? If you look at picks 10-20, there's ???? all over the place. I'd rather take something closer to a sure thing with a skill set not present on the team than a questionable talent at a position of need.

[Nasty]

I dont know about you but I would like to see more rookies play. It really doesn't look good for us this year. I do like the fact that Nix/Gaily have a plan and are not letting anyone get in there way with execution. I would like to see more Troupe, some Carrington, bench Green he is not the answer, (in fact he is the oldest and slowest guy on the team) and lets see what we have in Wang if he is ready at Right tackle or put that Urbik guy in there either one of those two is better then Green right now and they both have an upside. Or Nix should trade Lee Evans to S.D. for Jackson cause Jackson is more of a number one reciever then Evens is. I like Evans, but he really doesn't do anything but go deep or try the WR screen that never works. A number one WR to me does it all (i.e. goes over the middle). If we go youth movement let's go all in. By the way what ever happened to our ratation on the D-line??

[BobChalmers]

 

Don't address weaknesses: Oline - D-Line - ETC - ETC - ETC

 

Yeah, keep it up Buddy, I'm right there with ya too!

 

 

People's hysteria and overall insanity here has reached whole new levels.

 

They didn't address the D-Line???? REALLY F-ING REALLY DID YOU JUST SAY THAT?????

 

Please - go back over the off-season - remind yourself that they picked up a starting 3-4 DE from the Ravens as a FA, then added a NT in the 2nd round and a DE in the 3rd.

 

Or maybe your definition of addressing a position only using the 1st round pick on it?

Edited October 7, 2010 by BobChalmers

[Philo]

Ah...so you're saying the Bills need 5 or 6 regular season games to figure out who are their best players, while the rest of the NFL figures that out before the season opener. Thanks for clearing that up. So after this Sunday, hopefully Chan/Buddy will finally know who should be starting, who should be benched, and who should be released of traded. Can we wipe the slate clean and re-start the season at 0-0 after the bye week?

 

(And regarding Trent Edwards, Gailey/Nix should have figured out from tape of previous seasons that Edwards didn't have the mentality or physical tools be be a starting NFL QB, and should have been working Brohm with the starting offensive unit throughout training camp and in every preseason game.)

 

I hate to think how many regular season games we'll have to burn finalizing our roster when the NFL goes to 18 regular and only 2 preseason games.

 

You have to understand that it was an impossible task for Nix/Gailey to turn this franchise around in one season, this will take at least three years. The first year of that consists essentially of evaluating everyone currently on the roster and you can't completely do that in the pre-season, you just can't. Nix/Gailey wants to see how the players perform in the regular season so they know how to draft/sign in the upcoming off-season(s).

 

If they know what they are doing (fingers crossed) the team will start to come together after a couple of years. It's far too early to clearly see the full extent of their plans.

[The Senator]

I guess those guy running the Patriots have no idea what their doing...

I'm not sure what you're referencing - have the Patriots* made a bunch of moves/cuts/trades/benchings that I'm unaware of?

[BobChalmers]

I'm not sure what you're referencing - have the Patriots* made a bunch of moves/cuts/trades/benchings that I'm unaware of?

 

Uhm - yeah - they just traded a HoF WR for a 3rd round pick. And, no, that's not unusual behavior for them - when they decide you don't fit their program, you're gone. No remorse.

[Buftex]

BINGO. Did anyone not see what the Patriots just did? They traded a good player in a contract year for a draft pick because he isn't in the long term plans. What did the Bills do? THE EXACT SAME THING. This is how you consistently build a winner. The last time we did this with a player was Ko Simpson and it was a 7th rounder at that.

 

I actually think this was part of the plan with edwards - unless he really lit the world on fire.

 

Nix actually has a plan, and despite what TG and Sully say - they would have gotten less for Marshawn (no better hten a 4th was offered according to multipe reports) in the offseason then now. And yes, a conditional 6th is still something...

 

 

I am behind the Lynch deal, as much as I liked him. But, you are completely wrong in comparing this to the Moss/Patriots situation. Lynch is 24, almost 10 years younger than Moss, and, he is not in a contract year. Moss isn't going to get better, Lynch has far more upside at this point.

 

What I don't like about the Lynch deal, along with the dumping of Trent Edwards, is the the fact that they are moves made 4 weeks into the NFL season. Why does it feel like our regular season ended with the rest of the leagues pre-season, while the regular season just seems like an afterthought. Edwards might have had some trade value back in April, and Marshawn might have netted more (though a 4th is okay, I suppose) if a little more energy and creativity was put into this thing. At the very least, the Bills wouldn't have wasted time and effort trying to work Lynch into the offense. Our best running back was on the bench most of the first four weeks, and our best option at QB (it seems) was sitting on the bench the first two weeks.

 

Now, I have seen it said that Gailey had to "see for himself" when it came to Trent, etc...and I can buy that. However, Buddy Nix, the guy calling the shots isn't new to the team.

[Lv-Bills]

Because Spiller was the best player by a mile. Would you rather have possible Tony Dorsett or possible Aaron Maybin? If you look at picks 10-20, there's ???? all over the place. I'd rather take something closer to a sure thing with a skill set not present on the team than a questionable talent at a position of need.

Easiest position in football to fill......"by a mile". And to me, CJ looks nothing like an Adrian Peterson (who is a sure thing). It was a stupid pick. He might be good, I don't have a problem with anyone who feels that way, but it was an incredibly dumb pick. But hey, what do the Saints, Colts and Patriots know about football when they won the Superbowl with a cast of mediocre RB's.

[The Senator]

Uhm - yeah - they just traded a HoF WR for a 3rd round pick. And, no, that's not unusual behavior for them - when they decide you don't fit their program, you're gone. No remorse.

Uhm - no - Moss wasn't traded because the Patriots decided he could no longer play or didn't belong in their lineup (which was my point, if you go back and re-read). He was also not traded because the Patriots decided he did not 'fit their program', as you say. Moss was traded because he demanded to be traded, demanded a new contract, and demanded more passes be thrown his way. The Patriots actually would have preferred to keep him (they're not very deep at WR, and have no one as good as Moss)...

 

Had Moss been patient, or at the very least silent on the subject of his contract desires, this day might have been avoided. The Patriots didn't start out trying to unload him. When it became apparent their petulant receiver was focused on one thing, and one thing only -- show me the money! -- they figured they'd deal him now rather than watch him walk with no compensation at the end of the season.

 

link

 

Remorse. (At the very least, some.)

 

Anyway, that's only one move, and not based on faulty or incomplete evaluation in OTAs, camp, and preseason - unless the Partiots made a bunch of other moves after the season began, that I'm unware of???

Edited October 7, 2010 by The Senator

[Lv-Bills]

You have to understand that it was an impossible task for Nix/Gailey to turn this franchise around in one season, this will take at least three years. The first year of that consists essentially of evaluating everyone currently on the roster and you can't completely do that in the pre-season, you just can't. Nix/Gailey wants to see how the players perform in the regular season so they know how to draft/sign in the upcoming off-season(s).

 

If they know what they are doing (fingers crossed) the team will start to come together after a couple of years. It's far too early to clearly see the full extent of their plans.

 

Maybe, but we got a hint at their plans when they thought it would be wise to take a RB before having a line. We just get another dose of their plan when they extended Chris Kelsay, who is friggin awful. So, excuse me if I'm not getting all warm and fuzzy about the new Front Office plan after two bonehead moves like that.

 

I could care less what happened to Marshawn. After drafting Spiller, that was a foregone conclusion.

[TheChimp]

I'm on board with the purge too but I'm absolutely mystified as to why they're not purging Kelsay. Rather, they gave him a sizable contract extension. I continue to be baffled by this and struggle with it. He's old, under-performs, has no idea what he's doing, and has no business even starting on any NFL team.

Exactly. Anyone daring to compare the Bills with the Pats with their recent decisions needs to remember that extension and realize that there is no way in HELL the Pats would have done that Kelsay deal. No way in hell.

[JPS]

Easiest position in football to fill......"by a mile". And to me, CJ looks nothing like an Adrian Peterson (who is a sure thing). It was a stupid pick. He might be good, I don't have a problem with anyone who feels that way, but it was an incredibly dumb pick. But hey, what do the Saints, Colts and Patriots know about football when they won the Superbowl with a cast of mediocre RB's.

Ahh....this is fun...

 

First, the Patriots (Maroney), Saints (Bush) and Colts (Addai) all recently invested #1 picks on RBs with good RBs on their roster.

 

2nd - Look at picks 10-20 and tell me who would you rather have? I'm guessing you'll say A. Davis. But if your evaluation tell you he's the OT version of Maybin, do you go with Davis because he's the right position or Spiller because he's the right talent? I have no problem with BPA if the player adds something that you don't already have.

 

Since Spiller is tied for the team lead in TDs and he has no idea what he's doing (schematically), I'll reach and say he adds something.

[The Senator]

BINGO. Did anyone not see what the Patriots just did? They traded a good player in a contract year for a draft pick because he isn't in the long term plans. What did the Bills do? THE EXACT SAME THING. This is how you consistently build a winner. The last time we did this with a player was Ko Simpson and it was a 7th rounder at that.

 

I actually think this was part of the plan with edwards - unless he really lit the world on fire.

 

Nix actually has a plan, and despite what TG and Sully say - they would have gotten less for Marshawn (no better hten a 4th was offered according to multipe reports) in the offseason then now. And yes, a conditional 6th is still something...

Well first, for the zillionth time, Lynch was NOT IN A CONTRACT YEAR!!!!

 

Second, due respect, but it's NOT THE EXACT SAME THING - the Cheatriettes* traded and aging prima donna who was making outrageous demands and becoming a cancer...

 

Bill knew bomb was ticking

 

Sources: Moss, coach in exchange

 

Ego brought Randy Moss down

 

...and received a 3rd round pick for a guy who has been an a-hole on every team he's been with (Vikings/Raiders/NE), and who'll be out of football in 2 years.

 

 

The Bills, OTOH, traded a young 24 y.o. up-and-comer Pro Bowl RB that they drafted in the first round with the #12 overall pick just 3 years ago and who will likely be a dominating RB for years to come in Seattle, and received in return a 4th round pick in 2011 (think Marcus Easley) and a 7th round pick in 2012 (think Kyle Calloway).

[bowery4]

Senator you and Bufftex are wrong the LAST year of of his contract was voidable

 

http://seattle.sbnation.com/seattle-seahawks/2010/10/5/1732568/seattle-seahawks-marshawn-lynch-contract-details

 

Make sure you read the edit at the end

 

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/bills/2007-07-27-bills-sign-lynch_N.htm

 

AP report from when he was signed

 

".... the Buffalo Bills' first-round draft pick, agreed Thursday night to a five-year contract worth nearly $19 million, his agent told the Associated Press.

The team then confirmed the signing on Friday morning.

 

DRAFT PICKS' STATUS: See who signs when

"Marshawn's ecstatic and looking forward to helping the Bills," agent Doug Hendrickson said. "All along, Marshawn told us he wanted to be in camp on time and instructed us to get the deal done."

 

Drafted 12th overall out of California, Lynch will earn $10.285 million in guaranteed money including bonuses, with the entire contract worth $18.935 million. An additional year would be added to the contract if Lynch missed a majority of his first two seasons."

 

He did play the first 2 seasons =s 5 years.

We got a 3rd and a conditional 6th that may turn into a 5th if he does well. That isn't bad for a guy in his LAST YEAR OF A CONTRACT. Who didn't want to be here this year, didn't come to OTAs and prolly played w/ more effort the last few weeks because of his burning desire to leave!!! And last week after we were wiped up on the field, he was on the sidelines laughing and joking just like last year. Hell, good riddence ML thanks for the memiories (BTW did you know he got a 14 on his wonderlic?)

 

You both skip over 2 big incidents as well, one more and he sits for a year. Randy Moss might very well help take Minni to the SB. And the Cheaters let him know they didn't intend to resign him already.

Edited October 7, 2010 by bowery4