Time to "fess up"

[JohnC]

What you describe is pretty much standard operating procedure by a lot of posters. The fact that these crusades are wrong about 80% of the time doesn't seem to limit their number!

 

The lynch mob mentality might not solve real problems but for some people it soothes their frustrations. The Bills' roster has a lot of holes. Searching for the scapegoat bogeyman is not a solution to any problem. It is only a temporary escape from the reality of the multiple issues needing to be addressed. There is no quick fix; there has never been a quick fix. Only time and smart decision making is going to turn around this big leaking boat.

[Ghost of Rob Johnson]

Awesome. Predict me some lotto numbers.

4-8-15-16-23-42

[BuffaloBill]

The only player that made the roster that I have repeatedly questioned is Roscoe. Maybe Gailey;s scheme will renew his career. but only time will tell. I think it is a sad satement to the lack of LB depth that Kelsey made the roster and will start, My hunch is that the lb corps will prove to be THE weakness on this team over the course of the season. With all of that said, the Bills will be a better team this year, I optimistically say 9-7.

[timba]

I'll admit it. This thread is a bit negative but I think it's necessary.

 

The lack of accountability that people have for their stated positions and their crusades is truly amazing.

 

Recall the clamor and hysteria of some of the posters here as we got closer to cut down day. The din was deafening. At one time two weeks ago, we had 5 different threads about the quarterback situation on page one alone.

 

Lots of our members were just totally adamant AND VOCAL about what they thought was going to happen/what they wanted to have happen to the Bills roster (the two often get confused in some people's minds).

 

Those same people are conspicuous by their silence now…especially on matters such as which quarterbacks would made the roster.

 

So who said what and where are those people now?

 

I remember more than a few guarantees that Kawika Mitchell was going to get cut. Ditto for Chris Kelsay.

 

Where are all those folks who were positive that Levi Brown was gonna be kept as the third quarterback and not waived?

 

Where are all the Brian Brohm haters? The Fitzy haters?

 

Now's the time to confess to the error of your ways. The truth will liberate you!

 

Man up and be accountable for your opinions.

 

Or quietly close out of this thread and pretend you didn't read it.

 

lol! this is pretty ridiculous I have to say. I still stand my opinions on who should have been kept and who should have gone. I hope I'm proven wrong in those opinions, but until I see some results they will stay the same.

[EastRochBillsfan]

I'll admit it. This thread is a bit negative but I think it's necessary.

 

The lack of accountability that people have for their stated positions and their crusades is truly amazing.

 

Recall the clamor and hysteria of some of the posters here as we got closer to cut down day. The din was deafening. At one time two weeks ago, we had 5 different threads about the quarterback situation on page one alone.

 

Lots of our members were just totally adamant AND VOCAL about what they thought was going to happen/what they wanted to have happen to the Bills roster (the two often get confused in some people's minds).

 

Those same people are conspicuous by their silence now…especially on matters such as which quarterbacks would made the roster.

 

So who said what and where are those people now?

 

I remember more than a few guarantees that Kawika Mitchell was going to get cut. Ditto for Chris Kelsay.

 

Where are all those folks who were positive that Levi Brown was gonna be kept as the third quarterback and not waived?

 

Where are all the Brian Brohm haters? The Fitzy haters?

 

Now's the time to confess to the error of your ways. The truth will liberate you!

 

Man up and be accountable for your opinions.

 

Or quietly close out of this thread and pretend you didn't read it.

I am rather enjoying the silence. I mean, would you rather hear darth going off because we kept Edwards? no? me neither.

 

as for me, I thought/hoped Brohm was going to win the job. But he only won third string. I wish he would have gotten more of a chance with the first stringers though. I liked his progression over the pre-season and thought he did well the last game. He had good reads and some good passes and runs. It's too bad a lot of his passes were dropped or he would have looked better.

 

With that said, Edwards is the man for now and I will back him 100%. GO BILLS! my prediction 10-6 and we win the afc east

[tonyd19]

My final roster was pretty close. Here are the differences.

 

I had Hardy and Jackson instead of Both of C. Harris and D. Jones.(although I though D. Jones would go to the PS)

 

I had Bell instead of Coleman, (but thought Coleman would go to the Practice Squad.)

 

I had Chambers instead of D. Harris, but felt Chambers would be cut after a waiver wire deal. (Thought he was terrible all preseason and last season, but was better than any of the other o-lineman we had left.)

 

After seeing the final roster....I am not surprised with Bell being released, given the depth at the position, but I think he showed he can definitly play at this level, hopefully he passes through waivers and we can keep him on the PS.

 

Not surpirsed at all that Brown was released or that Simpson was released.

 

Not surprised at all the Brohm, Mitchell, Kelsay, Lynch and Fitz are all still here...They deserve to be.

 

I am very happy for Antonio Coleman, I was really pulling for that guy....He is a great story.

 

Not surprised with Hardy as he was a bubble pick for me and was not really needed with the emergence of David Nelson.

 

A little surpirsed with McCargo, but glad he stuck around (it's always tough to give up on 1st round picks)

 

I was really shocked they let Jackson go. All that guy did was make plays during the pre season. Honestly, I though he would start the year at the #2 receiver position becasue Steve Johnson really has not shown much. Of all the cuts, I think that one may be the one that comes back to haunt us. I have to think there must be some story there, something off the field because given Jackson's production this pre-season, cutting him just doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.

Edited September 5, 2010 by tonyd19

[Lurker]

What you describe is pretty much standard operating procedure by a lot of posters. The fact that these crusades are wrong about 80% of the time doesn't seem to limit their number!

Same ratio applies to the veracity of opinions on any subject, sports or otherwise...

[DrFishfinder]

From the ugly beginnings of the slam fest, I kept pointing out:

 

In 2008 after 5 games Trent was rated in the top 5 QB's and the Bills were firing on all cylinders. Then it was one disaster after another and he never seemed to regain the poise that he had shown. The potential was there, but he had very little in way of a supporting cast and an anemic coaching staff.

 

Mid level NFL players were just about interchangeable and except for the 2 or 3 marquis players on any given team, coaching was THE key. I reiterated what Bum Phillips said about Don Shula, "He can take his'n and beat your'n, and then take your'n and beat his'n." That's coaching, not players. MIA.

 

A good coach maximizes what he has to work with and brings out the best in his players. He forms the schemes around the player's abilities and puts them in the best position to succeed. That was MIA.

 

A good coach motivates his players. That's what good management does. Different coaches have different ways of motivation. But there has to be motivation from the top and that was completely MIA.

 

I had pretty much given up on Roscoe. That seems to have been a mistake...we will see a good deal more of him this year and I hope I was dead wrong on that.

 

I had Hardy as a bust.

 

I was, and still am, calling for trading Lynch while he was worth something. I wish they had kept Joique Bell and traded Lynch.

 

I wasn't delirious about the choice of Nix as GM.

 

I didn't think the Bills would get Shanahan or Cowher.

 

I wasn't thrilled with Gailey at the beginning, but the more I saw and heard, the more I liked what he brought to the team. I don't think he will be here for more than 2-3 seasons, but I do think he will lay the foundation for a smarter, more disciplined team when the Bills move on.

 

I thought Poz was too slow and not instinctive enough. I still do. I really want him to be a great player, but I don't think he is capable of more than what we've seen so far.

 

Ditto for Demetrius Bell.

 

I thought David Nelson would make the team from the moment they selected him.

 

I thought (hoped) that AVP would turn out to be a better OC than he did. I think he was handcuffed by Jauron.

 

I thought Schonert was arrogant and egotistical.

 

I was, and will always be, forever grateful to Ralph Wilson for everything he has done to bring the Bills into existence and keep them in Buffalo.

 

I said that Gailey would have this team playing harder, smarter and more disciplined, and that by the end of the season, no team will be looking forward to playing the Bills

 

Now, that being said.....it's time to get this season started and I will let loose with the same words I yell when I launch for a bass tournament:

 

NO PRISONERS!!!!!

Edited September 5, 2010 by DrFishfinder

[Steely Dan]

I brought this over from the 53 man roster thread started by eschj13 on August 27th; http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/117986-my-53-man-roster/

 

A lot of what this thread is looking for can be found in that thread.

 

I can't think of any off the top of my head right now but I think it happens every year.

 

This is my final 53 with PS. Since this is being done by me 15 of them will probably be wrong.

 

 

QB (3) Edwards, Brohm, Fitzpatrick. (Brown on PS)

RB (4) Jackson, Lynch, Spiller, Bell. (Anderson to PS)

FB (1) McIntyre

WR (6) Evans, Johnson, Hardy, Parrish, D. Nelson, C. Jackson (Roosevelt to PS)

TE (2) Stupar, Foschi (Nelson won't be back til week 5) (George to PS)

OL (10) Bell, Levitre, Hangartner, Wood, Green, Meredith, S. Allen, Hennessey, Howard, Chambers. (Wang to IR) (Calloway to PS)

 

DL (6) Edwards, Stroud, Williams, Troup, Carrington, S. Johnson. (Harvey to PS)

LB (9) Mitchell, Poz, Davis, Moats, Torbor, Maybin, Kelsay, Ellis, Ellison. (Coleman to PS)

DB (10) Byrd, Whitner, Wilson, Youboty, McKelvin, Florence, McGee, Corner, Corto, Lankster (D. Harris to PS)

 

Specialists (2) - Lindell, Moorman.

 

Practice Squad;

 

Brown

Anderson

Roosevelt

George

Calloway

Harvey

Coleman

D. Harris

 

I was right about the QBs

 

I was off by Bell on the RBs

 

I got the FB right

 

I missed Hardy and D. Jones for the WRs.

 

I was right on the TEs

 

I was off by Wang, Hennessey and S. Allen on the OL

 

I was completely right on the DL.

 

On the linebackers I didn't have AC.

 

I was off on Lankster and Corto, Harris and Scott the DBs.

 

The kicker and punter I was right on. (like it wasn't obvious anyway.)

 

That's 12 mistakes. 3 better than my prediction.

 

 

Did I miss something? Is the roster finalized?

You mention players like Mitchell and Kelsay. The reason why people predicted that they'd be gone is because they are not good players. The problem is, the Bills are not a good football team and their LB core is probably the worst in the NFL in both depth and talent. The fact that they made the squad is an more of an indictment of the Bills than it is of anyone saying that they'd be cut.

 

BBM

 

The roster had to be finalized by 6pm yesterday.

[BillnutinHouston]

I never understood the Edwards hate on here, but I did predict he'd be the starter and I'm OK with that. He will definitely benefit from the competent coaching he's now getting. Hopefully the O-line will hold up.

 

Will be at the opener with my throwback #5 jersey on!

[Chalkie Gerzowski]

I figured Brohm would make the team. I don't know why anyone thought he wouldn't.

 

They were wrong. It's all there, black and white, clear as crystal! They stole fizzy lifting drinks! They bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and sterilized, so they get nothing! They lose! Good day sir!

[Kelly the Dog]

Gailey said he and Nix saw each other way too much in the last few days, and agonized over and over and over about countless scenarios (read: a lot of the players that got cut could or should have made the team without injuries, excess or limited talent at other positions). It's the same thing as a late 7th round draft choice versus a UDFA wanted by several teams that signs the next day: The difference is almost unnoticeable. We as football fans believe in scoreboard however, and a 7th round pick got drafted and a UDFA didn't so one must be considered better than another, or Player A and Player B made the 53 man roster but Player C or Player D didn't so the A and B must be better. But I guarantee that Gailey and Nix cut several players that they thought were better football players than guys they kept.

 

Besides, this is a message board, and strong/wrong opinions are why it exists and flourishes.

[Mr. WEO]

Before the second or third preseason game I figured Roscoe was a goner. And how they have kept McCargo is dumbfounding.

 

I posted that there was no way they would cut Fitz after the first saturday of practice. Also noted that Brown looked slow and out of shape. Knew he wouldn't make it.

[sharper802]

I'll fess up..

 

1. I though Brohm would be cut. I still think there is a chance.

2. I predicted Lynch would start game 1. By default he will. Whether he would have beaten out Freddie if neither had been injured who knows.

3. I predicted Roscoe would be a bigger part of the offense.

4. I said Trent would be the QB the moment they passed on Clausen.

5. I didn't think they would keep Ellison.

6. I though McElvin would have reclaimed the starting CB spot. Maybe by the end of the year. We tend to forget he has only dressed for about 17 NFL games which is not much for a CB.

7. I thought they were going to trade an extra DB for Troy Smith. Now they might get him for nothing.

8. I thought Hardy was going to be on the squad. I didn't even know who David Nelson was nor Donald Jones.

9. I thought Chad Jackson was going to be kept for the simple fact he had more experience then some of the other WR's.

10. I secretly thought but never posted that Kyle Williams would be traded to a 4-3 team. There is no way he can play NT. I would not be surprised if the only time he is on the field is when they switch to a 4-3 front.

11. I posted Whitner would win back the SS spot. I am not sure that is a good thing after watching the last two games. I wouldn't be surprised if he was sent packing in a trade for a lineman along with a draft pick. Wilson seemed like one of those nightmare DJ guys like Ellison but it just looks like he makes more plays.

12. I predict Maybin will have an impact this year. I think it will come around the bye week. I think it will take him a solid month to get used to OLB in the NFL. After that look for a two sack break out game - maybe against Jax at home.

[ChasBB]

I was roundly ridiculed in late June for suggesting that Nelson would make the roster and Hardy would not. Silly me.

 

Edit: However, to respond to your point, I thought Chad Jackson would make it. Also, I didn't think Roscoe would be around given Gailey's like for taller receivers. That's the cool thing about Gailey -- he sees talent wherever it is -- his eyes are open.

Edited September 5, 2010 by ChasBB

[sharper802]

Before the second or third preseason game I figured Roscoe was a goner. And how they have kept McCargo is dumbfounding.

 

I posted that there was no way they would cut Fitz after the first saturday of practice. Also noted that Brown looked slow and out of shape. Knew he wouldn't make it.

By all accounts McCargo has looked decent at DE and Ellis capable at strong side OLB. It is laughable that these guys are only on the team after being forced to switch positions. A first round (also gave up an extra 3rd round pick to move up) and a third round pick should be core starters. Not back-ups at new positions. Levy doomed this franchise for years.

[cåblelady]

Hi, my name is Beerball and I have a confession to make.

 

I pretty much dislike every QB on the Bills roster to an equal degree. It isn't a hatred that would make me pull over and beat them up if I saw them walking down the street, but I would probably heckle them in front of their parents and siblings.

 

I do think that Gailey is doing his best to rehab Edwards' psyche and so far it appears to be working but as we know the gun is now loaded with real bullets. How will Edwards react to adversity? Will he turtle again? Will our patchwork line be able to keep him on his feet long enough to make the throw?

 

I will admit to being a Roscoe hater. So Scoe...to you I apoligize for the Jauron years. I said over & over that you were a bust. Now it looks like you were the victim of idiotic coaching. I hope you do remain a receiving threat and continue to make plays. You must become Edwards blankey (or binkey). He has to know you will be where you are supposed to be when the pressure is on & you've got to catch the damn ball. You two need to develop a chemistry so that all it takes is a look from Edwards at the line & you know what route he expects. You must be ready on blitzes. A lot is riding on your narrow shoulders, I hope you can hold up.

BRAVO!

[Bill from NYC]

I thought that when Pat Williams left the Bills he was pretty much done, and I thought that Rob Johnson was going to be a great quarterback. I saw him play in college and couldn't believe that he wasn't drafted sooner.

 

But folks, it's all about experience. Watching RJ suck despite all of his tools made it easier to recognize just how bad Losman was. It isn't all about arm strength, or any other single factor.

 

QBs are not my forte. I have missed on many, although I knew that Hasselbeck was going to be very good when I saw him at Green Bay. The guy I am liking now is Ryan Mallett. People who have read my posts for more than a decade know how much value I place on blockers, but I would draft this kid in a heartbeat even before a LT. He throws 50 yard post patterns with no air under them, and does so without really having to step into the throw. This is barely possible. But, going by my record of rating qbs he will probably bust out.

[Gabe Northern]

I thought the team would cut Kawicka. Just the sense I got from the switch to the 3-4 coupled with the Davis signing and fact that Langston Walker wasn't retained for depth last year. I think he sensed it to and stepped up.

 

I also thought they'd cut Fitz or Brohm soley due to this Chris Brown report about Levi. It clearly states that either they'd keep 2 QBs and Levi would be on practice squad or they'd keep 3 QBs and Levi would be the 3rd on the roster.

 

Bills GM Buddy Nix in a recent interview on the Shredd and Ragan show (103.3 The Edge) up here in Buffalo confirmed that they’re only keeping three. My feeling is that Brian Brohm and Ryan Fitzpatrick are likely the two QBs fighting for the one remaining spot. Brown will be the third QB, but I’m pretty sure he’ll be on the 53-man squad

 

Any stuff I say on this board is fact-based speculation, or something based directly on a reading of an article. The only thing I have ever stated from inside information is a conversation with someone inside the organization and another from a fellow attorney who does contract work that Tom Modrak runs the draft and every time he's overruled on a good player, it's immediately leaked to the media.

[JohnC]

I am rather enjoying the silence. I mean, would you rather hear darth going off because we kept Edwards? no? me neither.

 

 

Yes, I would rather hear DarthIce go off because we kept Edwards. If not now you can bet the ranch that an eruption will be forthcoming. Predictability is one of his most consistent attributes.