Boller’s Performance Likely Spells Trouble for Brennan

[Alphadawg7]

Colt Brennan is 25 and is two years removed from the draft. He's somebody I liked coming out of college and liked even more when he dominated in the HoF game (albeit against backups). He's shown more in his career than Brian Brohm and is still very young. How is he a "flavor of the week"? This isn't a patch until we can draft, this is someone I would pursue as a long-term answer at the position.

 

Please describe to me how he has shown much more than Brohm? Brohm was going to be a top 5 pick, maybe even the #1 pick his Jr. year...Colt was never at any point considered a first round pick. Brohm had a much higher draft grade coming out of college. Neither has done anything nor had the chance to do anythin in the NFL during their 2 year run in the NFL. Both have been cut by the teams that drafted them. Brohm is competing for a starting spot in the NFL while Brennan is tyring to catch on as a 3rd string QB somewhere.

 

So, I ask again and sincerly, please explain how you can say Colt has "shown more in his career" than Brohm?

 

I find it puzzling that you are on the Colt band wagon and then bash Brohm when they have had almost the same career thus far in the NFL except Brohm had a much higher draft grade, has more potential, played against much higher competition in college, played in a pro system in college vs Colt playing in the run and shoot, is currently competing for a starting job where Colt cant even catch on as a 3rd stringer, and has been working in our new system all off season.

[Rico]

Now come on. When was the last time I advocated bringing in a cast-off QB? I've liked Brennan since his HoF game debut vs. Indy. Give me some credit. I might be a sonofabitch but I'm not one of the lemmings.

[Leonidas]

Please describe to me how he has shown much more than Brohm? Brohm was going to be a top 5 pick, maybe even the #1 pick his Jr. year...Colt was never at any point considered a first round pick. Brohm had a much higher draft grade coming out of college. Neither has done anything nor had the chance to do anythin in the NFL during their 2 year run in the NFL. Both have been cut by the teams that drafted them. Brohm is competing for a starting spot in the NFL while Brennan is tyring to catch on as a 3rd string QB somewhere.

 

So, I ask again and sincerly, please explain how you can say Colt has "shown more in his career" than Brohm?

 

I find it puzzling that you are on the Colt band wagon and then bash Brohm when they have had almost the same career thus far in the NFL except Brohm had a much higher draft grade, has more potential, played against much higher competition in college, played in a pro system in college vs Colt playing in the run and shoot, is currently competing for a starting job where Colt cant even catch on as a 3rd stringer, and has been working in our new system all off season.

 

From Wiki:

 

Brennan appeared in his first NFL exhibition game in the 2008 Hall of Fame Game against the Indianapolis Colts on August 3. He was impressive in his debut completing 9-of-10 passes for 123 yards and 2 touchdowns for a 157.5 passer rating in the Redskins' victory.[20] His success continued two weeks later against the New York Jets when he completed 4-of-5 passes for 79 yards and scored the game winning touchdown on a 33-yard pass to Jason Goode.[21]

 

Brennan led all 2008 NFL rookies in touchdown passes, passing yards and quarterback rating through the preseason .[22] He finished the 2008 preseason with a strong performance, going 36-for-53, for 411 yards and three touchdowns and with no interceptions. For the preseason, Brennan's completion percentage was 67.9% and his quarterback rating was 109.9. He also carried the ball twice for 11 yards.

 

From NFL.com:

 

2008 Preseason Games Passing Rushing Fumbles

 

WK Game Date Opp Result G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost

 

0 08/03 IND W 30-16 1 0 9 10 90.0 123 12.3 2 0 1 1 157.5 -- -- -- -- -- --

1 08/09 BUF W 17-14 1 0 4 8 50.0 37 4.6 0 0 1 9 63.0 -- -- -- -- -- --

2 08/16 @ NYJ W 13-10 1 0 4 5 80.0 79 15.8 1 0 2 15 158.3 -- -- -- -- -- --

3 08/23 @ CAR L 3-47 1 0 6 12 50.0 53 4.4 0 0 0 0 62.2 -- -- -- -- -- --

4 08/28 JAC L 3-24 1 0 13 18 72.2 119 6.6 0 0 4 21 89.8 2 11 5.5 0 1 0

TOTAL 5 0 36 53 67.9 411 7.8 3 0 8 46 109.9 2 11 5.5 0 1 0

 

2009 Preseason Games Passing Rushing Fumbles

 

WK Game Date Opp Result G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost

 

1 08/13 @ BAL L 0-23 1 0 4 12 33.3 43 3.6 0 1 3 11 10.1 3 13 4.3 0 -- --

2 08/22 PIT W 17-13 1 0 3 5 60.0 42 8.4 0 1 0 0 47.5 2 -2 -1.0 0 -- --

3 08/28 NE L 24-27 1 0 6 12 50.0 81 6.8 1 1 4 22 64.9 1 2 2.0 0 -- --

4 09/03 @ JAC L 17-24 1 0 10 14 71.4 83 5.9 0 0 0 0 86.3 -- -- -- -- -- --

TOTAL 4 0 23 43 53.5 249 5.8 1 3 7 33 49.5 6 13 2.2 0 0 0

 

 

Brohm, from NFL.com:

2009 Preseason Games Passing Rushing Fumbles

 

WK Game Date Opp Result G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost

 

1 08/15 CLE W 17-0 1 0 3 10 30.0 18 1.8 0 2 1 3 0.0 2 -2 -1.0 0 -- --

2 08/22 BUF W 31-21 1 0 12 19 63.2 83 4.4 0 1 0 0 51.0 2 4 2.0 0 -- --

3 08/28 @ ARI W 44-37 1 0 4 5 80.0 45 9.0 0 0 2 18 104.2 1 -1 -1.0 0 -- --

4 09/03 @ TEN L 13-27 1 0 20 28 71.4 154 5.5 0 0 2 8 84.5 1 5 5.0 0 -- --

TOTAL 4 0 39 62 62.9 300 4.8 0 3 5 29 54.5 6 6 1.0 0 0 0

 

2008 Preseason Games Passing Rushing Fumbles

 

WK Game Date Opp Result G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost

 

1 08/11 CIN L 17-20 1 0 8 17 47.1 70 4.1 0 1 0 0 33.9 -- -- -- -- -- --

2 08/16 @ SF L 6-34 1 0 4 9 44.4 33 3.7 0 0 0 0 54.4 2 1 0.5 0 1 1

3 08/22 @ DEN W 27-24 1 0 0 4 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 39.6 -- -- -- -- -- --

4 08/28 TEN L 21-23 1 0 7 12 58.3 52 4.3 0 0 4 33 68.8 1 0 0.0 0 3 1

TOTAL 4 0 19 42 45.2 155 3.7 0 1 4 33 45.2 3 1 0.3 0 4 2

 

16 12/27 @ ATL L 3-31 1 1 17 29 58.6 146 5.0 0 2 2 8 43.2 -- -- -- -- -- --

 

 

Each has played in nine games (all but one in the preseason). Through nine games, Brohm has, you guessed it, zero touchdowns to go along with six picks. Brennan has four TD's with only three picks. If you can't see the difference there, then I can't help you. If you actually watched any of the games these two have played, you'd notice the difference as well. Also, Brennan was unable to beat out Jason Campbell and Todd Collins (a solid veteran), and had no chance at unseating future HoF'er McNabb especially after getting hurt; Brohm got beat out by Matt Flynn (who, contrary to popular opinion around here, really isn't very good), and can't climb our pathetic depth chart.

 

Please also tell me, oh great one, what the hell the player's pre-draft status several years ago has to do with their abilities now.

[Alphadawg7]

From Wiki:

 

Brennan appeared in his first NFL exhibition game in the 2008 Hall of Fame Game against the Indianapolis Colts on August 3. He was impressive in his debut completing 9-of-10 passes for 123 yards and 2 touchdowns for a 157.5 passer rating in the Redskins' victory.[20] His success continued two weeks later against the New York Jets when he completed 4-of-5 passes for 79 yards and scored the game winning touchdown on a 33-yard pass to Jason Goode.[21]

 

Brennan led all 2008 NFL rookies in touchdown passes, passing yards and quarterback rating through the preseason .[22] He finished the 2008 preseason with a strong performance, going 36-for-53, for 411 yards and three touchdowns and with no interceptions. For the preseason, Brennan's completion percentage was 67.9% and his quarterback rating was 109.9. He also carried the ball twice for 11 yards.

 

From NFL.com:

 

2008 Preseason Games Passing Rushing Fumbles

 

WK Game Date Opp Result G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost

 

0 08/03 IND W 30-16 1 0 9 10 90.0 123 12.3 2 0 1 1 157.5 -- -- -- -- -- --

1 08/09 BUF W 17-14 1 0 4 8 50.0 37 4.6 0 0 1 9 63.0 -- -- -- -- -- --

2 08/16 @ NYJ W 13-10 1 0 4 5 80.0 79 15.8 1 0 2 15 158.3 -- -- -- -- -- --

3 08/23 @ CAR L 3-47 1 0 6 12 50.0 53 4.4 0 0 0 0 62.2 -- -- -- -- -- --

4 08/28 JAC L 3-24 1 0 13 18 72.2 119 6.6 0 0 4 21 89.8 2 11 5.5 0 1 0

TOTAL 5 0 36 53 67.9 411 7.8 3 0 8 46 109.9 2 11 5.5 0 1 0

 

2009 Preseason Games Passing Rushing Fumbles

 

WK Game Date Opp Result G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost

 

1 08/13 @ BAL L 0-23 1 0 4 12 33.3 43 3.6 0 1 3 11 10.1 3 13 4.3 0 -- --

2 08/22 PIT W 17-13 1 0 3 5 60.0 42 8.4 0 1 0 0 47.5 2 -2 -1.0 0 -- --

3 08/28 NE L 24-27 1 0 6 12 50.0 81 6.8 1 1 4 22 64.9 1 2 2.0 0 -- --

4 09/03 @ JAC L 17-24 1 0 10 14 71.4 83 5.9 0 0 0 0 86.3 -- -- -- -- -- --

TOTAL 4 0 23 43 53.5 249 5.8 1 3 7 33 49.5 6 13 2.2 0 0 0

 

 

Brohm, from NFL.com:

2009 Preseason Games Passing Rushing Fumbles

 

WK Game Date Opp Result G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost

 

1 08/15 CLE W 17-0 1 0 3 10 30.0 18 1.8 0 2 1 3 0.0 2 -2 -1.0 0 -- --

2 08/22 BUF W 31-21 1 0 12 19 63.2 83 4.4 0 1 0 0 51.0 2 4 2.0 0 -- --

3 08/28 @ ARI W 44-37 1 0 4 5 80.0 45 9.0 0 0 2 18 104.2 1 -1 -1.0 0 -- --

4 09/03 @ TEN L 13-27 1 0 20 28 71.4 154 5.5 0 0 2 8 84.5 1 5 5.0 0 -- --

TOTAL 4 0 39 62 62.9 300 4.8 0 3 5 29 54.5 6 6 1.0 0 0 0

 

2008 Preseason Games Passing Rushing Fumbles

 

WK Game Date Opp Result G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost

 

1 08/11 CIN L 17-20 1 0 8 17 47.1 70 4.1 0 1 0 0 33.9 -- -- -- -- -- --

2 08/16 @ SF L 6-34 1 0 4 9 44.4 33 3.7 0 0 0 0 54.4 2 1 0.5 0 1 1

3 08/22 @ DEN W 27-24 1 0 0 4 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 39.6 -- -- -- -- -- --

4 08/28 TEN L 21-23 1 0 7 12 58.3 52 4.3 0 0 4 33 68.8 1 0 0.0 0 3 1

TOTAL 4 0 19 42 45.2 155 3.7 0 1 4 33 45.2 3 1 0.3 0 4 2

 

16 12/27 @ ATL L 3-31 1 1 17 29 58.6 146 5.0 0 2 2 8 43.2 -- -- -- -- -- --

 

 

Each has played in nine games (all but one in the preseason). Through nine games, Brohm has, you guessed it, zero touchdowns to go along with six picks. Brennan has four TD's with only three picks. If you can't see the difference there, then I can't help you. If you actually watched any of the games these two have played, you'd notice the difference as well. Also, Brennan was unable to beat out Jason Campbell and Todd Collins (a solid veteran), and had no chance at unseating future HoF'er McNabb especially after getting hurt; Brohm got beat out by Matt Flynn (who, contrary to popular opinion around here, really isn't very good), and can't climb our pathetic depth chart.

 

Please also tell me, oh great one, what the hell the player's pre-draft status several years ago has to do with their abilities now.

 

So, what you are saying is that Colt has done nothing as well in the NFL. I mean you are propping up 2 of his PRESEASON games where he faced 3rd and 4th stringers as somehow an indication that he has accomplished more in the NFL. Also, that was 2008 and his 2009 preseason not nearly as productive. He cant catch on as a 3rd string QB and Brohm is competing for a #1 job.

 

I dont have anything against Colt at all, just find it funny how you hate Brohm yet support Colt (who is about to be cut by his second team) all because he had 2 games where he did well in PRESEASON against a bunch of players who are largely not playing in the NFL now or so buried on the depth chart that they never see the field. And you bash Flynn while ignoring the fact that, regardless of your opinnion of him, GB likes him a lot. Then prop up Todd Collins who wasnt even an average QB in this league to validate Colt not beating him out.

 

Im not saying Brohm is this or that...not even saying he will be better than Colt or vice versa by the time their careers are done. I have no idea if Brohm will do well or not, I just want to see him on the field before I decide he is this or that.

 

I just find it puzzling how you bash repeatedly on Brohm because he was cut in GB yet dont hold that against Colt who was also cut by the team that drafted him (and looks to be about to be cut again). McNabb is no spring chicken either and they will need a QB of the future in 2 to 3 years, so if they beleived Colt could be that guy they would not have cut him.

[Projay89]

Brennan had an impressive preseason before getting injured.

 

I don't buy into gimmick programs like they have at Hawaii, but I admit, his performance in preseason did catch my eye.

how is a shotgun spread offense a gimmick? just curious.

[C.Biscuit97]

My god. People are calling for Colt "Freakin'" Brennan. Fitz and Edwards look like Elway and Montana compared to that guy.

[PromoTheRobot]

Can't be worse than sticking with Trentative. Worst. Bills QB. Ever.

Seems that way, but trust me, the 84-85 trio of Joe Dufek, Bruce Mathison and Vince Ferragamo make Trent, Fitz and Brohm look like Montana, Marino and Kelly!

 

PTR

[dpberr]

how is a shotgun spread offense a gimmick? just curious.

 

Not quite. June Jones runs the 21st Century version of the Run and Shoot offense at SMU, and previously at Hawaii. He tried it in the NFL when he was coaching the Falcons and it failed. The Run and Shoot is about as gimmicky as it gets today.

[BuffaloATL]

Colt Brennan is 25 and is two years removed from the draft. He's somebody I liked coming out of college and liked even more when he dominated in the HoF game (albeit against backups). He's shown more in his career than Brian Brohm and is still very young. How is he a "flavor of the week"? This isn't a patch until we can draft, this is someone I would pursue as a long-term answer at the position.

 

How often do teams actually turn one of these guys nobody else wants into a playoff caliber QB? It rarely happens. The "flavors of the week" are all these castaways that some Bills fans suddenly feel could help this team win. The answer to the Bills QB need is either 1) already the starter on a top 6-8 team, or 2) in next year's draft. Since we're not getting a Top 6-8 guy (ala the way the Saints landed Brees) our option is the draft. These flavors of the week won't help us obtain our goal of winning a Super Bowl, so why make the move. It's short sighted.

 

My opinion/suspicion is that Nix really likes one of the QBs in next year's draft and doesn't want to make a move at QB right now just to get marginally better and miss the chance to take a guy they really want to build around. They drafted for D this year. Let it develop this season and take a QB and LT next year. The D can then carry us while our rookie QB and LT adjust to the NFL.

[tbonestake]

And what would change, really? If a guy can't catch on with the Raiders, what's he going to do with the Bills???

 

PTR

Start at Right Tackle for us

[Leonidas]

So, what you are saying is that Colt has done nothing as well in the NFL.

 

Yes, and yet my comment that he's "done more than Brohm" remains true. Funny how that works.

 

I mean you are propping up 2 of his PRESEASON games where he faced 3rd and 4th stringers as somehow an indication that he has accomplished more in the NFL. Also, that was 2008 and his 2009 preseason not nearly as productive.

 

I wasn't propping them up, I was showing you his only NFL experience when you asked how he had done more in this league than Brohm. I didn't say he was accomplished, just more accomplished than Brohm, who has shown literally nothing in this league in preseason and the regular season.

 

I dont have anything against Colt at all, just find it funny how you hate Brohm yet support Colt (who is about to be cut by his second team) all because he had 2 games where he did well in PRESEASON against a bunch of players who are largely not playing in the NFL now or so buried on the depth chart that they never see the field. And you bash Flynn while ignoring the fact that, regardless of your opinnion of him, GB likes him a lot. Then prop up Todd Collins who wasnt even an average QB in this league to validate Colt not beating him out.

 

I don't hate Brohm, I just find the lemmings funny when they attach themselves to him after performing so badly given the chances and he can't seem to climb on top of the pile of **** we currently have at QB. And I bash Flynn because the reports I've heard about him (sorry, I don't watch GB preseason games to scout him) are that he has performed poorly and GB would be in serious trouble with him at the helm, so as much as "GB likes him," if Brohm had performed there - and check his stats, he didn't - he'd be the #2 there. He was certainly given the opportunity to.

 

And Todd Collins has proven himself to be a very solid backup in this league, with his current team no less. Are you really trying to argue otherwise? Were you alive in 2008?

 

Im not saying Brohm is this or that...not even saying he will be better than Colt or vice versa by the time their careers are done. I have no idea if Brohm will do well or not, I just want to see him on the field before I decide he is this or that.

 

Then watch a game for Christ sake. I wouldn't have made the suggestion if I hadn't. Sure, preseason doesn't mean as much as the regular season, but at least it's against professional talent in a professional system; it means a hell of a lot more than college (and is sure as **** more relevant than his "projected draft status" Mel Kiper).

 

I just find it puzzling how you bash repeatedly on Brohm because he was cut in GB yet dont hold that against Colt who was also cut by the team that drafted him (and looks to be about to be cut again). McNabb is no spring chicken either and they will need a QB of the future in 2 to 3 years, so if they beleived Colt could be that guy they would not have cut him.

 

Find it puzzling all you want. I've watched them both play and only one has impressed me at this level in any respect. Not saying Colt is the savior, but saying he'd be worth a low-risk gamble. He's not a "flavor of the week," or "some scrub off the street," but a guy who came in his rookie year and threw three TD's in the preseason with no picks. That alone doesn't mean anything, but if you watch him, you know he's got the confidence and he's got the arm. Can you say that for any of our four QB's?

[Spiderweb]

Seems that way, but trust me, the 84-85 trio of Joe Dufek, Bruce Mathison and Vince Ferragamo make Trent, Fitz and Brohm look like Montana, Marino and Kelly!

 

PTR

 

While the 84-85 trio was one of the worst the Bills ever had, if not the worst, it still somehow doesn't make me feel better about the guys we currently have. Unless one of these guys has their light go on suddenly (Brees...), our Offense is likely to be pretty offensive again.

[indiragandhi'sthong]

Not so fast ... Bruce Mathison? Joe Dufek? Mitch Cumstein? Just kidding with that last one.

 

 

 

Can't be worse than sticking with Trentative. Worst. Bills QB. Ever.