The truth about Flutie !!!

[Glory Bound]

The stats bear that out. The Bills' offense averaged 25 PPG in 1998 and then 20 PPG in 1999. The defense however went from 20.8 PPG allowed in 1998 to 14.3 in 1999.

To quote one of the greatest coaches of all time, "Stats are for losers"

[Doc]

To quote one of the greatest coaches of all time, "Stats are for losers"

To quote another "it is what it is."

[Gugny]

My recollection of Flutie was he was done as soon as the rest of the NFL had the book on him. Defenders stopped biting on his "pixie hop" move when he passed and it was all over.

 

PTR

My recollection is him getting us into field goal range ... then going 3 and out.

[/dev/null]

Doug Flutie is the only man in history to survive a Chuck Norris Roundhouse. Flutie was too short so the Roundhouse went over his head. The disturbed air caused by this eventually traveled over the Atlantic Ocean and into the tropics where it met warm water and formed the tropical cyclone that created Hurricane Katrina.

[tennesseeboy]

ho hum...we'll never know. I think Flutie should have started the Titans game and would have played better under pressure than Johnson did. And actually I think Johnson played pretty well in that game given the ferocious pass rush from the titans. But hell..that's just one opinion among many.

[The Tomcat]

Johnson left the field with the lead. If we cover the kick, the point is mute.

 

Flutie was good until they figured him out. Rush the outside keeping him contained forcing him to throw over or thru the middle.

[Cynical]

To quote one of the greatest coaches of all time, "Stats are for losers"

 

Cool!

 

The next time some member of the Flutie cult starts yammering about 21-whatever, I will gladly remind him/her

that stats are for losers, especially non-existent stats.

[K-9]

I have the exact same recollection.

 

Me three.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[Red Squirrel]

The stats bear that out. The Bills' offense averaged 25 PPG in 1998 and then 20 PPG in 1999. The defense however went from 20.8 PPG allowed in 1998 to 14.3 in 1999.

 

I guess the fact that Eric Moulds was injured in the 6th game, missed two weeks and played hurt the remainder of the season had nothing to do with that drop. The game Moulds was injured in and the two he missed were the three worst games of the season for Flutie. To make matters worse, in two of those three games, the defense was a no-show; the third was a win against the Ravens, who actually defended Flutie ten times better than Parcells and Belichick ever did...until the last minute. Flutie got ripped for that performance; he had a 32.8 QB rating that probably was in single digits until the last play of the game...little did we know at the time, that Ravens D was on the verge of being one of the best in the history of the league.

 

It also didn't help having Thurman miss most of the season. And even though he was way past his prime at that point, it left them with out-of-shape underachiever Antowain Smith, and untalented Jonathan Linton....not exactly two appealing options. The team finished 8th in the league in rushing with those two averaging 3.7 and 3.4 a carry; take Flutie's rushing stats away, and they drop about 10 places.

 

And also, Andre Reed was running on fumes; he spent the 2nd half of the season feuding with the coaches about losing playing time to Peerless Price. And even though I was disappointed in Andre for lashing out at Flutie late in the year, I agreed with his beef with the coaches because Price was absolutely horrible at fighting for balls in traffic.

 

I don't really relish getting into these arguments 11 years after the fact, but come on! You guys should have learned you were wrong about Flutie no later than the end of 2000; if somehow it escaped you at that time, it should have happened by the end of 2001. But here we are after 8 more years of misery, and you guys are still ripping the last decent QB we had. I get that he isn't Kelly; if someone came on here and claimed that he was better than Jimbo, then I'd agree that was nutty. That has NEVER happened, and the bashing is just so absurd that every once in a while I have to get on here and take it on.

[Rob's House]

My recollection of Flutie is something like this...

 

He plays like sh*t for 3 quarters but the defense keeps us in the game. But then Flutie suddenly gets accurate in the 4th quarter and scrambles like a demon, leading the Bills to a last minute TD and a 17-14 victory.

 

The 4th quarter heroics could never quite make me forget the 3 quarters of abysmal quarterbacking.

 

To say this another way... I'm still saving my Kelly Krunch but my box of Flutie Flakes was eaten and discarded a long time ago.

 

Let's not understate his ability to avoid negative plays during those first 3 quarters so the D could keep us in the game. And the offense moved the ball consistently enough that they weren't gassed in the 4th.

[Rob's House]

I guess the fact that Eric Moulds was injured in the 6th game, missed two weeks and played hurt the remainder of the season had nothing to do with that drop. The game Moulds was injured in and the two he missed were the three worst games of the season for Flutie. To make matters worse, in two of those three games, the defense was a no-show; the third was a win against the Ravens, who actually defended Flutie ten times better than Parcells and Belichick ever did...until the last minute. Flutie got ripped for that performance; he had a 32.8 QB rating that probably was in single digits until the last play of the game...little did we know at the time, that Ravens D was on the verge of being one of the best in the history of the league.

 

It also didn't help having Thurman miss most of the season. And even though he was way past his prime at that point, it left them with out-of-shape underachiever Antowain Smith, and untalented Jonathan Linton....not exactly two appealing options. The team finished 8th in the league in rushing with those two averaging 3.7 and 3.4 a carry; take Flutie's rushing stats away, and they drop about 10 places.

 

And also, Andre Reed was running on fumes; he spent the 2nd half of the season feuding with the coaches about losing playing time to Peerless Price. And even though I was disappointed in Andre for lashing out at Flutie late in the year, I agreed with his beef with the coaches because Price was absolutely horrible at fighting for balls in traffic.

 

I don't really relish getting into these arguments 11 years after the fact, but come on! You guys should have learned you were wrong about Flutie no later than the end of 2000; if somehow it escaped you at that time, it should have happened by the end of 2001. But here we are after 8 more years of misery, and you guys are still ripping the last decent QB we had. I get that he isn't Kelly; if someone came on here and claimed that he was better than Jimbo, then I'd agree that was nutty. That has NEVER happened, and the bashing is just so absurd that every once in a while I have to get on here and take it on.

 

Excellent post. Very well said.

[Lenigmusx]

Excellent post. Very well said.

It is good someone else remembers things as they really were. After all football takes a whole team and the circumstance that surround a player can greatly effect his performance.

[Adam]

Actually, our current ST coach, Bruce Dehaven, was fired for the Music City Disaster. Ronnie Jones was his replacement. He had never coached ST before then and was brutally awful. You did get the part right about Wade being fired because he refused to dump Jones. Though, you might consider getting your facts completely right before bashing somebody for not having their facts right.

Jones shouldn't have been fired. He should have been reassigned to the defense, like Wade wanted

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

I guess the fact that Eric Moulds was injured in the 6th game, missed two weeks and played hurt the remainder of the season had nothing to do with that drop. The game Moulds was injured in and the two he missed were the three worst games of the season for Flutie. To make matters worse, in two of those three games, the defense was a no-show; the third was a win against the Ravens, who actually defended Flutie ten times better than Parcells and Belichick ever did...until the last minute. Flutie got ripped for that performance; he had a 32.8 QB rating that probably was in single digits until the last play of the game...little did we know at the time, that Ravens D was on the verge of being one of the best in the history of the league.

 

It also didn't help having Thurman miss most of the season. And even though he was way past his prime at that point, it left them with out-of-shape underachiever Antowain Smith, and untalented Jonathan Linton....not exactly two appealing options. The team finished 8th in the league in rushing with those two averaging 3.7 and 3.4 a carry; take Flutie's rushing stats away, and they drop about 10 places.

 

And also, Andre Reed was running on fumes; he spent the 2nd half of the season feuding with the coaches about losing playing time to Peerless Price. And even though I was disappointed in Andre for lashing out at Flutie late in the year, I agreed with his beef with the coaches because Price was absolutely horrible at fighting for balls in traffic.

 

I don't really relish getting into these arguments 11 years after the fact, but come on! You guys should have learned you were wrong about Flutie no later than the end of 2000; if somehow it escaped you at that time, it should have happened by the end of 2001. But here we are after 8 more years of misery, and you guys are still ripping the last decent QB we had. I get that he isn't Kelly; if someone came on here and claimed that he was better than Jimbo, then I'd agree that was nutty. That has NEVER happened, and the bashing is just so absurd that every once in a while I have to get on here and take it on.

 

I'm sorry, were you saying something?

 

Flutie was done. Shot, nothing left in the tank, and we would have undoubtedly lost with him under center in that playoff game.

[Rob's House]

I'm sorry, were you saying something?

 

Flutie was done. Shot, nothing left in the tank, and we would have undoubtedly lost with him under center in that playoff game.

 

That was weak. He gives a detailed account of his position and you pull a Conner.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

That was weak. He gives a detailed account of his position and you pull a Conner.

 

 

Did you watch the 1999 season?

 

[Rob's House]

Did you watch the 1999 season?

 

 

I did. Flutie didn't look like the second coming of Johnny Unitas, but he did what needed to be done to win games. He fit that team like Dilfer fit the Ravens. Look what happened to both teams when they let their QB go.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

I did. Flutie didn't look like the second coming of Johnny Unitas, but he did what needed to be done to win games. He fit that team like Dilfer fit the Ravens. Look what happened to both teams when they let their QB go.

 

 

Dilfer didn't lose. Flutie did, in often aggravating fashion. The Titans would have made the mighty midget look silly.

[Adam]

I did. Flutie didn't look like the second coming of Johnny Unitas, but he did what needed to be done to win games. He fit that team like Dilfer fit the Ravens. Look what happened to both teams when they let their QB go.

Flutie did a few things which made up for our not having an offensive line, which hurt us in the long run. I would have taken Trent Dilfer at QB over Flutie any day.....he was the QB I was hoping for when we got Bledsoe

[Buckeye Eric]

Doug Flutie's first name was Doug

Doug Flutie had a dog named Dog

Doug Flutie' dog was named Dog Flutie

Doug Flutie could run

Dog Flutie could also run

Doug Flutie and Dog Flutie would run together

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