Will Maybin turn out to be the Bill biggest 1st. Rd. Bust?

[C-zone Umpa]

Too early to tell, he's still very young, besides Mike Williams will forever be the biggest 1st round bust.

 

 

Amen Brother!!!!!!!!!!!! O wait what about JP

[justnzane]

Tom Cousineau is the biggest bust all-time for the Bills. He was the #1 overall pick, which we traded OJ Simpson to San Fran for. He refused to play for the Bills. Instead, he bolted to Canada for 3 years. When he tried to return to the NFL, the Oilers tried signing him where the Bills matched the offer then proceeded to trade him to the Browns where he was good but not great. What we did get for him is the 14th overall pick in the 1983 draft, which I think turned well as we picked a man by the name of Jim Kelly.

 

Upon further review, Ralph Wilson and the GM of the day were pretty retarded. They refused to fly up his agent and key executives were not there to greet him when he arrived in Buffalo. This in no way changes his stature as the biggest bust in franchise history.

[Spiderweb]

I was surprised when the Bills recently added Torbor to the roster... and then moved him to ROLB. Then, with him getting first team reps in mini camp, it spoke volumes... at least to me.

 

This may or may not be a clear signal that Maybin may not cut it.

 

If so, I can't think of a bigger bust that the Bills have drafted in the first round than him. Erik Flowers and John McCargo would be close seconds. The Bills did get some production out of the likes of Patulski, Harmon, Gant, Hunter, Miller, Bell, and Losman. But, I can't remember any of the Bills being drafted as high as #11 and getting virtually nothing, in terms of production. At #8, Whitner certainly hasn't shown he was deserving of that, but he has given the Bills moderate production.

 

Lets look at Maybin for a moment. He was basically a one year wonder at Penn State. Not the most experienced player, especially considering where he was taken in the draft. He's now having to learn a new position. This may well take more than just some OTA's and mini-camps.

 

With that said, he was a bad pick in 2009 and a year later, he's shown nothing to change that. While he may prove to be a good player still, the likelihood seems to be diminishing rather quickly. With many here wishing for Orakpo and myself looking for Oher, this was yet another Bills first round disappointment for us. Will Maybin change our minds? It is looking like that won't be happening.

[BillsFanInLV]

I remember being at the opener against the Saints and I believe he had a sack on the first play of the season that game. For about a split second we all thought we'd gotten a steal. Of course, his career went down the drain from there.....

 

After the preseason sack he then drew a penalty for excessive celebration.

[San Jose Bills Fan]

Also please remember that Bruce Smith looked like a big fat flabby flop in his rookie season too. Let's wait one more season before totally writing off Maybin.

 

PTR

Promo, your above statement has become a popular belief to use anytime a Bills rookie doesn't immediately have a stellar season.

 

I was against the Maybin pick and am not very optimistic for his future. But I agree with you that he deserves more time before we judge him.

 

That said, to your point above, Bruce Smith had 6.5 sacks in his rookie season and despite looking fat, his talent was obvious.

 

On the other hand, we haven't yet seen what the Bills thought they saw when they drafted Maybin.

[Red Squirrel]

Tom Cousineau is the biggest bust all-time for the Bills. He was the #1 overall pick, which we traded OJ Simpson to San Fran for. He refused to play for the Bills. Instead, he bolted to Canada for 3 years. When he tried to return to the NFL, the Oilers tried signing him where the Bills matched the offer then proceeded to trade him to the Browns where he was good but not great. What we did get for him is the 14th overall pick in the 1983 draft, which I think turned well as we picked a man by the name of Jim Kelly.

 

Upon further review, Ralph Wilson and the GM of the day were pretty retarded. They refused to fly up his agent and key executives were not there to greet him when he arrived in Buffalo. This in no way changes his stature as the biggest bust in franchise history.

 

Ironically, I think you defeat your own argument. Essentially, the Bills traded two years of a worn-out OJ for Jim Kelly. The only problem is the eight years in between....which was mitigated by also receiving a 2nd round pick in 1980 for OJ, which became Joe Cribbs. They got several other picks for OJ, too. We politely won't mention who they were

[Las Vegas Calling...]

Too early to tell, he's still very young, besides Mike Williams will forever be the biggest 1st round bust.

Agreed. I thought of Mike Williams also. Maybin may turn out ok. Bruce Smith stunk his first season in the NFL. I am not comparing Maybin to Burce.... no comparision! My point is that we have to see Maybin play this season before we can call him a bust or not.

[Lurker]

Man, you guys have short memories lifespans. Very short.

Fixed.

 

Having only the last decade as a frame of reference reduces the utility of much that is posted here...

[Lurker]

That said, to your point above, Bruce Smith had 6.5 sacks in his rookie season and despite looking fat, his talent was obvious.

Bruce was also a 300-pounder and didn't get rag dolled like the 238 lbs Maybin did last season. We'll know right away at SJF if Maybin's stregth has come up to NFL standards, which should allow a better picture of his potential to emerge.

[Nanker]

Tom Cousineau is the biggest bust all-time for the Bills. He was the #1 overall pick, which we traded OJ Simpson to San Fran for. He refused to play for the Bills. Instead, he bolted to Canada for 3 years. When he tried to return to the NFL, the Oilers tried signing him where the Bills matched the offer then proceeded to trade him to the Browns where he was good but not great. What we did get for him is the 14th overall pick in the 1983 draft, which I think turned well as we picked a man by the name of Jim Kelly.

 

Upon further review, Ralph Wilson and the GM of the day were pretty retarded. They refused to fly up his agent and key executives were not there to greet him when he arrived in Buffalo. This in no way changes his stature as the biggest bust in franchise history.

Wrong. There were three other guys who were drafted in the first round by The Bills and never played a down for them.

At least we got something for TC.

[Dan]

Lets look at Maybin for a moment. He was basically a one year wonder at Penn State. Not the most experienced player, especially considering where he was taken in the draft. He's now having to learn a new position. This may well take more than just some OTA's and mini-camps.

 

With that said, he was a bad pick in 2009 and a year later, he's shown nothing to change that. While he may prove to be a good player still, the likelihood seems to be diminishing rather quickly. With many here wishing for Orakpo and myself looking for Oher, this was yet another Bills first round disappointment for us. Will Maybin change our minds? It is looking like that won't be happening.

Seriously? He's shown nothing in non-contact OTA drills?

 

Yes, truly the worst pick ever. He should have had 3 or 4 sacks on the OTAs by now.

[Nanker]

Seriously? He's shown nothing in non-contact OTA drills?

 

Yes, truly the worst pick ever. He should have had 3 or 4 sacks on the OTAs by now.

Really. He shouldda broken a QB's arm or sumpfin' by now.

[C.Biscuit97]

I love how there are so many "fans" who seem like they want Maybin to fail. It's pretty pathetic actually. But he's a 22 yo who tweets. How dare he!!!

[Albany,n.y.]

Wrong. There were three other guys who were drafted in the first round by The Bills and never played a down for them.

At least we got something for TC.

That's BS! You can't count guys who signed with the NFL before the common draft. Since the common draft the only #1 who never played a down for the Bills is Cousineau.

[justnzane]

Wrong. There were three other guys who were drafted in the first round by The Bills and never played a down for them.

At least we got something for TC.

As Albany eloquently puts it below, you can't hold the early AFL draft picks at the same value as the ones after the merger. Especially, Ernie Davis. To enter the common draft, be drafted #1, and refuse to play altogether just tells the team that they wasted a pick. To say that he wasn't a bust because the bills were able to trade his rights, is just kind way of saying it could have been worse for the bills in the long run.

 

That's BS! You can't count guys who signed with the NFL before the common draft. Since the common draft the only #1 who never played a down for the Bills is Cousineau.

 

 

Elway and Eli both refused to play for the teams that drafted them, however both of them were dealt that same year as opposed to 3 years later.

[PromoTheRobot]

Promo, your above statement has become a popular belief to use anytime a Bills rookie doesn't immediately have a stellar season.

 

I was against the Maybin pick and am not very optimistic for his future. But I agree with you that he deserves more time before we judge him.

 

That said, to your point above, Bruce Smith had 6.5 sacks in his rookie season and despite looking fat, his talent was obvious.

 

On the other hand, we haven't yet seen what the Bills thought they saw when they drafted Maybin.

I was not in favor of Maybin either, but to call him an obvious bust now is silly. As for Bruce, there was nothing obvious about his potential other than becoming a tub of lard. Smith had to turn it around. Trust me, if the internet were around back in the 80's Bruce Smith would have been panned mercilessly.

 

PTR

[San Jose Bills Fan]

Promo, your above statement has become a popular belief to use anytime a Bills rookie doesn't immediately have a stellar season.

 

I was against the Maybin pick and am not very optimistic for his future. But I agree with you that he deserves more time before we judge him.

 

That said, to your point above, Bruce Smith had 6.5 sacks in his rookie season and despite looking fat, his talent was obvious.

 

On the other hand, we haven't yet seen what the Bills thought they saw when they drafted Maybin.

I was not in favor of Maybin either, but to call him an obvious bust now is silly. As for Bruce, there was nothing obvious about his potential other than becoming a tub of lard. Smith had to turn it around. Trust me, if the internet were around back in the 80's Bruce Smith would have been panned mercilessly.

 

PTR

I guess our memories of that 1985 season differ.

[HurlyBurly51]

Seriously? He's shown nothing in non-contact OTA drills?

 

Yes, truly the worst pick ever. He should have had 3 or 4 sacks on the OTAs by now.

 

No, but it woulda been nice to see him at least hold off free agent castaway Torbor.

[USABuffaloFan]

 

I am adding Tony Hunter to this list. In 1983 he was selected ahead of Jim Kelly with the 12th pick of the NFL draft from Notre Dame. We lose Kelly to the USFL and this guy lays an egg. That was the start of our consecutive 2-14 seasons. He ends up having 2 very medicore seasons with the Bills and 2 with LA Rams. Only had 1 full 16 game season with 50 receptions, that wasn't with the Bills. That's very low production for a 1st round pick at 12. Jim was our 14th pick, imagine if we had a better pick at 12. We missed out on Willie Gault, Henry Ellard and Roger Craig also two players who became Bills later on in Jim Jeffcoat and Leonard Smith. Might have won a Superbowl in the late 80's, we will never know.

 

http://www.nfl.com/players/tonyhunter/profile?id=HUN812853

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HuntTo00.htm

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterback_c..._1983#Round_one

[San Jose Bills Fan]

I am adding Tony Hunter to this list. In 1983 he was selected ahead of Jim Kelly with the 12th pick of the NFL draft from Notre Dame. We lose Kelly to the USFL and this guy lays an egg. That was the start of our consecutive 2-14 seasons. He ends up having 2 very medicore seasons with the Bills and 2 with LA Rams. Only had 1 full 16 game season with 50 receptions, that wasn't with the Bills. That's very low production for a 1st round pick at 12. Jim was our 14th pick, imagine if we had a better pick at 12. We missed out on Willie Gault, Henry Ellard and Roger Craig also two players who became Bills later on in Jim Jeffcoat and Leonard Smith. Might have won a Superbowl in the late 80's, we will never know.

 

http://www.nfl.com/players/tonyhunter/profile?id=HUN812853

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HuntTo00.htm

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterback_c..._1983#Round_one

You're too late. Tony Hunter was already added to the list…twice.

 

Good job Nanker. I think we've covered just about everyone.

 

Sharper brought up Tony Hunter. But we haven't really talked about him.

 

Hunter was the former Notre Dame tight end we drafted 12th overall in 1983…two picks BEFORE we drafted Jim Kelly.

 

Hunter only lasted in the NFL for four seasons, and was only with the Bills for two seasons. He played only 24 games with the Bills and a total of 47 NFL games.

 

Really amazing how many first rounders the Bills have missed on.