Estelle Getty Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 One thing I noticed during all of the OTA work is receivers and tight ends running slant patterns. This has been a foriegn concept to the Bills since I can remember. The last few years all we have done is thrown dump offs and deep routes. Any sucessful offenisive team can throw over the middle. This is a promising sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mob16151 Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 One thing I noticed during all of the OTA work is receivers and tight ends running slant patterns. This has been a foriegn concept to the Bills since I can remember. The last few years all we have done is thrown dump offs and deep routes. Any sucessful offenisive team can throw over the middle. This is a promising sign. That is awesome. Side note, didn't Lee Evans score on a slant in the first Jets game last season? But thats the only slant I remember from last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDaDdy Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 I think that a lot have fans have noticed the lack of slant routes the last few years. If a lot of fans noticed obviously every opposing defenses knew it too. This was part of a larger problem that our QBs, especially Edwards, didn't work the middle of the field. Everything was a dump off or an out route. Well, that and the 2 balls that Edwards threw 40yrds in the air all last year. If Edwards is supposedly so accurate, working the middle of the field shouldn't be a problem. The only reason I can think of for why they don't work the middle of the field is because Edwards has a weak arm and can't get those throws in there with some zip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowery4 Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 in the video CB has on BB.com Trent throws a couple which look a bit woobly but get there ok and are caught. I am happy to see it as well (BTW in the vid so did Fitz and it had more zip and nicer spin I think it was to Rosy). In a way it is funny, the team is taking baby steps and we're impressed. It is also impressive they did as well as they did last year and the years before with the game plans and lacking of imagination they had. I was never convinced it was about skill but always evaluation. Jaruon had so many players who were good sit on the bench, I was never convinced he could judge if they could use a complicated offense or defense. I think they won a lot of games in spite of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBruce Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 One thing I noticed during all of the OTA work is receivers and tight ends running slant patterns. This has been a foriegn concept to the Bills since I can remember. The last few years all we have done is thrown dump offs and deep routes. Any sucessful offenisive team can throw over the middle. This is a promising sign. I saw Brett Favre and the Jets carve us up with it two seasons ago. I'd love to see us run it that effectively! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glass To The Arson Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 Ahhh one of my favorite Madden plays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthICE Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 I'm sorry, what is this slant thingy to which you refrence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 I'm sorry, what is this slant thingy to which you refrence? It's the play that every opposing offense consistently ran on 3rd and 4 or 5 to succesfully convert the first down agaisnt our D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haven Moses Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 Next thing you know we'll actually see a screen pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDaDdy Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 We don't need those fancy new fangled plays that they run now a days! 10 yard outs and dump offs behind the line of scrimmage are all you need. The defenses we play NEVER expect that!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthICE Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 We don't need those fancy new fangled plays that they run now a days! 10 yard outs and dump offs behind the line of scrimmage are all you need. The defenses we play NEVER expect that!! By God! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 Next thing you know we'll actually see a screen pass. Like in the season opener? They ran screens so well, then they stopped doing it. I remember last year the big thing the Bills had Trent Edwards practicing were check downs. That is no joke either. The Bills offense IMO was based around running the WR's deep and then checking down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSpeed Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 Next thing you know we'll actually see a screen pass. Or a draw play. Or anything that resembles a play action pass. Whoa what am I saying! Those things have gone by the way of the dodo bird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuyInMalta Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 Next thing you'll tell me is that we are sending our TEs deep down the middle of the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 I think that a lot have fans have noticed the lack of slant routes the last few years. If a lot of fans noticed obviously every opposing defenses knew it too. This was part of a larger problem that our QBs, especially Edwards, didn't work the middle of the field. Everything was a dump off or an out route. Well, that and the 2 balls that Edwards threw 40yrds in the air all last year. If Edwards is supposedly so accurate, working the middle of the field shouldn't be a problem. The only reason I can think of for why they don't work the middle of the field is because Edwards has a weak arm and can't get those throws in there with some zip. I asking because I have not played QB, so apologies if this is a poor question but doesn't the O-line need to make throwing lanes for slants to work? ADD: Slants are great b/c it can somtimes pull the DB's up on the LOS and set up a deep post. A bite on a fake slant route and Lee scores 6 points (assuming the ball gets out there) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperKillerRobots Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 I think that a lot have fans have noticed the lack of slant routes the last few years. If a lot of fans noticed obviously every opposing defenses knew it too. This was part of a larger problem that our QBs, especially Edwards, didn't work the middle of the field. Everything was a dump off or an out route. Well, that and the 2 balls that Edwards threw 40yrds in the air all last year. If Edwards is supposedly so accurate, working the middle of the field shouldn't be a problem. The only reason I can think of for why they don't work the middle of the field is because Edwards has a weak arm and can't get those throws in there with some zip. Or the coaches were beyond bad at their jops last year. The more I think back to last season - and I love AVP - the more I think AVP was in over his head. Not to mention that DJ was in over his head as far as offense goes from the day he signed his contract here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike oxhurtz Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 I remember when Mike Mularkey was HC, the Bills were playing the Jets and Losman hit Parrish on a Slant. Parrish ran right up the middle on darted past the Jets secondary for a 50+ yard TD. I never understood why they didn't throw more slants to Roscoe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 I asking because I have not played QB, so apologies if this is a poor question but doesn't the O-line need to make throwing lanes for slants to work? ADD: Slants are great b/c it can somtimes pull the DB's up on the LOS and set up a deep post. A bite on a fake slant route and Lee scores 6 points (assuming the ball gets out there) Not a poor question at all. Passing lanes are CRITICAL and it is the job of the OLine to provide them. Our BIGGEST problem has been that teams are stacking the LOS which makes throwing slant patterns VERY DIFFICULT. At least you are seeing that unlike some who seem to think we should just go ahead and force the issue. Try throwing a slant against an 8 man front with a poor OLine and you'll see what I mean. That said, there are plays that can FORCE teams out of those fronts but you have to hit them with some consistency. None of our QBs seem capable of doing that at this point. I was at least encouraged that Edwards was mentioning how Gailey's system actually uses some plays to set up others. That's football 101. And shame on our previous coaches if they didn't recognize that simple fact. But I suspect that Schonert and AVP weren't that inept. I blame it mostly on the quality of players we had at key positions, chiefly QB. I will remain unconvinced until I see otherwise. Especially from our QBs. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike oxhurtz Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 Or a draw play. Or anything that resembles a play action pass. Whoa what am I saying! Those things have gone by the way of the dodo bird. Well if you didn't prepare for the Ice Age, then Doom On You!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 I remember when Mike Mularkey was HC, the Bills were playing the Jets and Losman hit Parrish on a Slant. Parrish ran right up the middle on darted past the Jets secondary for a 50+ yard TD. I never understood why they didn't throw more slants to Roscoe. Wasnt a slant, more like a hitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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