what's wrong with claussen?

[tonyjustbcuz]

Okung & Bulaga will be gone, Trent Williams is rumored to be a better right tackle (plus he's probaly gone by #9) Anthony Davis' play supposedly does not match his formidable talents (plus he could be gone too) so taking a tackle is by no means a slam dunk. I think Claussen will also be gone by pick nine, but I'm starting to think should we get him we will have done well in rd. 1.

I don't watch Norte dame, but seeing USA TODAYS 8 mock drafts showing Claussen going to the Bills made me run a search on him...there's a lot of video to look at, for one.....I saw a very quick release, very good pocket presence, certainly an adequate arm... maybe better...I read many draft reviews on him and everybody seemed tolike him, his stats, for a big school are very impressive...he is a california boy and his 1st name is a pickle are the worst things I could find on him (and remember, if he wins the pickle name will become cool.)

 

Sooo....using your big words, what's everybody got against him?

 

And, assuming we can't trade down (maybe someone will fall in love with Spiller or my pick as the surprise draft faller...Berry, but I think teams will wait in a draft loaded from picks 10 - 30), and the top tackles are gone, so who do you take?

 

And for the derrick morgan fans...I'm pretty sure the Bills have Maybin penciled in at ROLB. It's not like the guy died or nothing...sheesh he's what? 23? Do you see him as a RDE?

 

Who do I think we'll end up with (forced to draft)? Spiller...which is not such a bad thing

 

Haha, let the insults fly!

 

 

No insults here...pretty good blogging! Well, you named several names you expect to be gone...so here's my 2 cents..lol

 

Well it's probably likely that Bradford is going to St. Louis...especially since M. Bulger was just released after Bradford's workout. Most draft guru's are sure that Suh and McCoy will be drafted either pick #2 and #3 but definitely within 5 picks...

So 3 are off the board...Most draft analysts also project Russell Okung OT to go quick and I agree with that...So 4 are gone and probably close to that order! Pick 5 is interesting as it's K.C.'s and I could see someone trading up there or even at 4 with Washington so they can get their second round pick back from the McNabb trade! As a matter of fact I will call that in advance!! But, I still think those 4 players will be gone..and who knows maybe the deadskins might keep that 4th pick to get Okung to protect McNabb which may make sense depending on their current offensive line status which I am unsure about. I think when you look at picks 5-8 right before us you have to figure that at least one and maybe two more OT may be off the board. I would think that Bryan Bulaga OT and Trent Williams OT would be the two. I think Bulaga has shot up the draft boards and will be chosen before Williams. In my little mock...I am working on, I notice if someone scoops up Clausen then that will probably free up another OT to choose from ie: Bryan Bulaga, or Trent Williams. So it's quite possible we may have 2 or 3 good OT's to choose from, possibly Clausen, a couple of outstanding receievers (even though I wouldn't use my 1st pick for a receiver)....a superb running back, a good rush LB in Morgan as well. If that chain is broken in my mock by unexpected selections in the top 10 this could also free up a few more coveted players. There are often surprises and tradeups for coveted players...So, I would say being at #9 is a good place to be, but if you want a guaranteed opportunity to select one of the following players... Bulaga, T. Wiliams, or J. Clausen then I am convinced you should trade-up to the 7th spot with Cleveland...(Cleveland traded down several times last year and I believe they would consider it once again!). If you want a guarantee of getting either Bulaga or Clausen you need to go to #5. If you want a guarantee to get Clausen as your QB then you must move up to #4 with the Redskins! So the necessary move or non-move is determined by the player that you covet most for your team. I think the Bills will attempt to move up in the draft...and if you see them trade away a player just prior to the draft ie: M. Lynch, R. Parrish etc...and especially if they bunch a couple players for a 2nd or 3rd round pick....I would expect that they will move-up in the draft. I think they will only move up to get a QB...and I expect it to be Clausen IMO. We'll see...and it should be fun!!! There are some interesting

prospects if you decide to focus on a QB a bit later, (which I think is foolish)..but if so then I think J. Crompton is a very good pick with great potential or even Tony Pike QB. I read up on each of them and feel that they will have a better future in the NFL than Colt McCoy or Dan Leflevor...but that's just my opinion. I Think if you want Clausen it's gonna cost you, but if the Bills scouts are adamant about his talent and potential then go for it as your premier position is QB. What would a team give up now for a rookie if he were the next Peyton Manning guaranteed!! Well you'd give up your entire draft for that one player! (at least I would). So alot will be based on the organizations conviction on a particular player. It will be hard for the Bills to get one of the top 7 or 8 Offensive Tackles and to select Clausen at QB! It will not be costly or difficult

to get Bryan Bulaga and Tony Pike or Crompton, or Tebow, or Leflevor, etc...as your QB. So it's based on the organizational priorities specifically and I hope those have changed since last year when we took Maybin over Orakapo!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

#1 Sam Bradford QB

#2 McCoy DT

#3 Suh DT

#4 R. Okung OT

#5 Bryan Bulaga OT *Interesting..good trade-down slot...could be Eric Berry S/CB

#6 Trent Williams OT

#7 Joe Haden CB

#8 Jason Pierre-Paul DE or Bruce Campbell OT (Al davis usually go with players with freakish athrleticism)

#9 Possibly still available- Jimmy Clausen QB (50/50%), Anthony Davis OT, Dez Bryant WR, Demarius Thomas WR,

C.J. Spiller RB, Taylor Mays S, Derrick Morgan DE,

[Billsfan=pain]

From what I've seen he talks crap when guys get in his face or when he makes big plays, he's. An excitable guy on the field

 

My avatar is deadpool, and he is awesome

Who is deadpool?

[CarolinaBill]

Comic book character

[purple haze]

Small hands, short QB (JP size I believe). Arm strength is adequate, but I wouldn't say it's strong by NFL standards (Mallett and Locker both have much stronger arms). What bothers me the most about Clausen is how he reacts to pressure. He's one of those QB's who as soon as he feels some pressure immediately sprints out of the pocket, usually to his right thus eliminating one side of the football field. This type of scramble and make a play downfield works in college, but will not work in the NFL.

 

I think it's very important to assess a QB on his ability to hang in the pocket and have pocket presence. A lot of key conversions come when a QB is able to buy an extra second by hanging in there, stepping up and giving the receiver just enough time to get open. When I watch Clausen I see a guy who panicks as soon as he feels threatened and that won't fly in the NFL.

 

Say what? Where are you getting that info from?? He's 6'3 that's not short. His arm strength is good enough. Mallet and Locker might stink it up next season or get injured and not be top of the draft QB's so I wish everyone would calm down about Mallet and Locker being better options next season. I saw too many Notre Dame games since they're always on; Clausen has good pocket presence. He looks to throw more than run, from what I saw, but he can run if necessary. Panic? Dude led 4 last minute come back drives for winning scores. Is that an indicator of panic?

 

I don't know if they should take him at 9. I would rather the Bills trade down and pick up another pick. I think Clausen could be had later in the draft. But if they did take him, wherever they took him, I wouldn't be upset about.

[Rob's House]

I want to beef up the line as much as anyone but the more I hear about Clauson the more he sounds like the real deal. If he's available at #9 I say you count your blessings and take him. As long as you take olinemen in two of the next 3 rds I think you're built to dominate for a decade.

[Buffaloed in Pa]

He looks like a Wal-Mart greeter?

[thebug]

YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT

2007 138 245 1254 56.3 5.12 44 7 6 35 103.85

2008 268 440 3172 60.9 7.21 69 25 17 21 132.49

2009 289 425 3722 68.0 8.76 88 28 4 24 161.43

 

 

 

Looks like a kids who is getting better, I like that.

[Celtic_soulja]

YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT

2007 138 245 1254 56.3 5.12 44 7 6 35 103.85

2008 268 440 3172 60.9 7.21 69 25 17 21 132.49

2009 289 425 3722 68.0 8.76 88 28 4 24 161.43

 

 

 

Looks like a kids who is getting better, I like that.

 

Yeah Ryan Leaf got better and better...then he got drafted.................

[JohnC]

He's a prick. When Shanahan spends two days with the guy then immediately turns around and trades for McNabb? That tells me all I need to know

 

Your reasoning is getting more peculiar by the day.

[starrymessenger]

YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT

2007 138 245 1254 56.3 5.12 44 7 6 35 103.85

2008 268 440 3172 60.9 7.21 69 25 17 21 132.49

2009 289 425 3722 68.0 8.76 88 28 4 24 161.43

 

 

 

Looks like a kids who is getting better, I like that.

 

Thats the point. He has always shown significant year over year improvement. Not a one year wonder, as Buddy would say. He will continue to improve at the next level IMO. He has attitude and an outstanding skillset. He has had the benefit of outstanding grooming (former Patriot Charlie Weiss) in a pro-style offence. He may be better than Bradford, or may have more success in any event if he falls to the NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS (in which case I guarantee that we will all be kicking ourselves for another ten or twelve years).

The word (Nevergiveup) is that the Bills don't like him at #9. There is some plausibility to this because Chan favours a mobile QB who can be a threat to run if he needs to. This is not Claussen (more like Campbell, an SEC product). My only hope is that this is a smokescreen and that behind closed doors Nix and Gailey are geting ready to pounce if he is there at #9.

M worst case scenario: We draft Tebow at 9 (another SEC player) and the Pats draft Claussen.

[Brand J]

Yeah Ryan Leaf got better and better...then he got drafted.................

 

You're comparing Jimmy Clausen's attitude to Ryan Leaf?!?! Dude give me a break..

[thebug]

Yeah Ryan Leaf got better and better...then he got drafted.................

 

 

Leaf sucked so therefore Clausen will suck?

[BillsGuyInMalta]

My worst case scenario: We draft Tebow at 9 (another SEC player) and the Pats draft Claussen.

The more I think about this, the more I realize how likely it is. I feel that there will be a run on OTs early, even crazy Al Davis will get in on the act (we can only hope he likes Campbell over Williams due to his freakish workout numbers). But, if Williams, Bulaga and Okung are gone I feel like Nix will grab Tebow at #9, take the best OT or NT in the 2nd and whatever position he didn't take in the second round with our third rounder. We come out with a QB, OT and DT...

[starrymessenger]

The more I think about this, the more I realize how likely it is. I feel that there will be a run on OTs early, even crazy Al Davis will get in on the act (we can only hope he likes Campbell over Williams due to his freakish workout numbers). But, if Williams, Bulaga and Okung are gone I feel like Nix will grab Tebow at #9, take the best OT or NT in the 2nd and whatever position he didn't take in the second round with our third rounder. We come out with a QB, OT and DT...

Three weeks ago commentators were saying Tebow was a third rounder as a QB at best. Now all of a sudden the idea of Tebow going in the first round has gained a lot of momentum. Why? Because Marc Trestman said that in a specifically tailored offence Tebow could be a successful NFL QB? Do Chan and Buddy realize that there is more to football than the SEC? Is Chan getting ready to inflict a college style offence on us?

[BillsGuyInMalta]

Three weeks ago commentators were saying Tebow was a third rounder as a QB at best. Now all of a sudden the idea of Tebow going in the first round has gained a lot of momentum. Why? Because Marc Trestman said that in a specifically tailored offence Tebow could be a successful NFL QB? Do Chan and Buddy realize that there is more to football than the SEC? Is Chan getting ready to inflict a college style offence on us?

He tried it in KC...pistol offense for Tebow?

 

[starrymessenger]

He tried it in KC...pistol offense for Tebow?

 

 

That is precisely my fear (though it must be a smokescreen - they can't be that stupid, can they?).

[Mr. WEO]

And a kid at his school, slugged him...IN THE FACE mind you. And thats not all, he did it in front of his parents. Here's my 2 cents:

 

1. He has a major attitude problem (see Shanahans move/opinion after spend some time with him).

2. His fellow players did not necessarily elect him at all, that program has been in complete disarray since Willingham.

3. Again, I feel like I've been beating my head against the wall with all of you, but has anyone seen him play prior to last year? I suggest you do.

4. His pocket presence is not good, analysist are completely overpaid boobs, like Mel Kiper Jr....I actually like this guy, but he works for ESPN (which is a horrible network or station), so he's paid to pretend to be cool (which he is, but ESPN isnt) and state the complete obvious.

 

Just my thoughts.

His teammates "did not necessarily elect him at all"? What does that mean?

 

So we are to ignore how he played as a junior and only focus on how he played as a sophomore? Why on earth would we do that?

 

Mel Kiper is paid to pretend he's cool, but he's actually cool---but is also "a completely overpaid boob"?

 

If these are your thoughts, maybe you should write them down on a piece of paper first and have someone else read them before posting.

[CountDorkula]

You and your precious "reasonableness", go away! We'll have none of that here.

 

OK {Walks away slowly, turning back hoping someone will ask him to stay}

 

Jimmy Claussen is going to be the next Joe Montain-ya

Err

Peyton Manning

Err

Phillip Rivers

Err I mean

Ryan Leaf

Err uhhh

[CarolinaBill]

Three weeks ago commentators were saying Tebow was a third rounder as a QB at best. Now all of a sudden the idea of Tebow going in the first round has gained a lot of momentum. Why? Because Marc Trestman said that in a specifically tailored offence Tebow could be a successful NFL QB? Do Chan and Buddy realize that there is more to football than the SEC? Is Chan getting ready to inflict a college style offence on us?

well considering ga tech is an ACC school, im sure chan realizes that, and certain elements of the spread may indeed be incorporated into the offense, just like in Indy, NO, NE.

[starrymessenger]

well considering ga tech is an ACC school, im sure chan realizes that, and certain elements of the spread may indeed be incorporated into the offense, just like in Indy, NO, NE.

Have no problem introducing a little "imagination" into the standard pro offence. Finns and Sparano too used the wildcat to advantage. Problem is NFL defences adjust to it and, frankly, the crux of it is that I don't think Tim Tebow is a good candidate to execute a diversified pro offence even within a "system". In other words, as Trestman himself has said, right now at the NFL level TT is system constrained. To me that clearly rules him out as a first round pick.