Dr. Trooth Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 Matthews (D&C) says Bills must take Claussen @ #9 if he's there. Says Claussen is brash has a big and accurate arm. Goes on to say that he's 16-18 as a starter @ ND.... but, he played behind a bad O line. He doesn't mention that he was mentored by Charlie Weiss. For Christ sake... Fitzpatrick as a starter with the Bengals and Bills is 8-10-1 and he played behind putrid offensive lines in both places... but Matthews doesn't mention that or cut Fitz any slack or mention the coaching and OC situation. If you wash Claussen's balls @16-18 with ND, how the f**k can you disparage Fitzpatrick @ 8-10-1 with the Bills & Bengals? Tell it like it really is. Both QBs suck. Neither is going to bring the Bills to be a playoff team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 Matthews says Bills must take Claussen @ #9 if he's there. Says Claussen is brash has a big and accurate arm. Goes on to say that he's 16-18 as a starter @ ND.... but, he played behind a bad O line. He doesn't mention that he was mentored by Charlie Weiss. For Christ sake... Fitzpatrick as a starter with the Bengals and Bills is 8-10-1 and he played behind putrid offensive lines in both places... but Matthews doesn't mention that or cut Fitz any slack or mention the coaching and OC situation. If you wash Claussen's balls @16-18 with ND, how the f**k can you disparage Fitzpatrick @ 8-10-1 with the Bills & Bengals? Tell it like it really is. Both QBs suck. Neither is going to bring the Bills to be a playoff team. SO basically this post is just a B ch fest and provides nothign to enlighten. SO let me try. Clausen played behind a terrible o-line and had NO, NADA and zilch defense, and he was playing in College, had been coached to play a pro style ofense, adn is the "Most NFL ready" by many standards. Fitzpatrick did his losing in the pros where he has had the oppertunity to prove he is a starter and has failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 Calling Bob Matthews an idiot is insulting to idiots. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Fong Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 As a Notre Dame fan I've seen enough of Jimmy Clausen. Wish him the best of luck, but don't want to see him as a Bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACor58 Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 Calling Bob Matthews an idiot is insulting to idiots. PTR +1 He sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BYGD1 Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 This area is Hurting Matthews and Dutulio in Roch CHA CHA, and SHITP and the Bull DOG in Buff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manbeast Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 Matthews (D&C) says Bills must take Claussen @ #9 if he's there. Says Claussen is brash has a big and accurate arm. Goes on to say that he's 16-18 as a starter @ ND.... but, he played behind a bad O line. He doesn't mention that he was mentored by Charlie Weiss. For Christ sake... Fitzpatrick as a starter with the Bengals and Bills is 8-10-1 and he played behind putrid offensive lines in both places... but Matthews doesn't mention that or cut Fitz any slack or mention the coaching and OC situation. If you wash Claussen's balls @16-18 with ND, how the f**k can you disparage Fitzpatrick @ 8-10-1 with the Bills & Bengals? Tell it like it really is. Both QBs suck. Neither is going to bring the Bills to be a playoff team. Weis is a good thing but the kid needs a great O-line to learn behind and he won't get that here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 It's sort of an eyeful to read a projection that so-and-so will be a franchise guy at the next level directly followed by a list of excuses why so-and-so was NOT a franchise guy at the last level. Just draft the best damn football player you can find at #9 at let the rest take care of itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 Clausen is NOT a franchise guy. If he were a franchise guy we would be talking about him as a top five pick. It would be a waste of the 9 pick to pick either clausen or bradford. Neither one of them is that good, and we have a putrid offensive line that needs one of the two very good LT's that will be available at 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slyng1 Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 Clausen is NOT a franchise guy. If he were a franchise guy we would be talking about him as a top five pick. It would be a waste of the 9 pick to pick either clausen or bradford. Neither one of them is that good, and we have a putrid offensive line that needs one of the two very good LT's that will be available at 9. I probably forgot a few guys here, but plenty of "franchise guys" have been drafted outside the top 10... Name School Round Peyton Manning Tennessee 1st (#1 overall) Matt Ryan BC 1st (#1 overall) Carson Palmer USC 1st (#1 overall) Eli Manning Ole Miss 1st (#1 overall) JaMarcus Russell LSU 1st (#1 overall) Alex Smith Cal 1st (#1 overall) Donovan McNabb Syracuse 1st (#2...right after Tim Couch) Philip Rivers NC State 1st (#4 overall) After the 9th pick: Jay Cutler Vandy 1st (#11 pick) Ben Roethlisberger Miami of Ohio 1st (#11 pick) Aaron Rogers Cal 1st (#24 pick) Jason Campbell Auburn 1st (#28 pick) Joe Flacco Delaware 1st (#18 pick) Chad Pennington Marshall 1st (#18 pick) Later Rounds: Brett Favre S Miss 2nd Drew Brees Purdue 2nd Matt Schaub Virginia 3rd Kyle Orton Purdue 4th David Garrard E Carolina 4th Matt Hasselbeck BC 6th Tom Brady* Michigan 6th Matt Cassel USC 7th Kurt Warner N Iowa Undrafted Tony Romo E Illinois Undrafted Bills: Trent Edwards Stanford 3rd Ryan Fitzpatrick Harvard 7th Brian Brohm Louisville 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 Matthews (D&C) says Bills must take Claussen @ #9 if he's there. Says Claussen is brash has a big and accurate arm. Goes on to say that he's 16-18 as a starter @ ND.... but, he played behind a bad O line. He doesn't mention that he was mentored by Charlie Weiss. For Christ sake... Fitzpatrick as a starter with the Bengals and Bills is 8-10-1 and he played behind putrid offensive lines in both places... but Matthews doesn't mention that or cut Fitz any slack or mention the coaching and OC situation. If you wash Claussen's balls @16-18 with ND, how the f**k can you disparage Fitzpatrick @ 8-10-1 with the Bills & Bengals? Tell it like it really is. Both QBs suck. Neither is going to bring the Bills to be a playoff team. He lost behind a bad offensive line in college...so he's expected to win in the NFL behind a bad offensive line. You are correct, the logic is flawed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkc Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 As a Notre Dame fan I've seen enough of Jimmy Clausen. Wish him the best of luck, but don't want to see him as a Bill. can you please post this in the other 80 post about the virtures of drafting clausen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartshan-83 Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 As a Notre Dame fan I've seen enough of Jimmy Clausen. Wish him the best of luck, but don't want to see him as a Bill. Now, this puzzles me. I get the bashing of people who parrot W/L record, throw out Brady Quinn's name and can't even manage to spell 'Clausen' without seven "Ss." Those people obviously didn't see him play so their opinions can be brushed off lightly. But you are the first ND fan I've come across that doesn't like Jimmy's game. Maybe you could expound on what you mean, but I'm at a loss as to what you observed him doing poorly this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabres...yawn Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 I probably forgot a few guys here, but plenty of "franchise guys" have been drafted outside the top 10... Name School Round Peyton Manning Tennessee 1st (#1 overall) Matt Ryan BC 1st (#1 overall) Carson Palmer USC 1st (#1 overall) Eli Manning Ole Miss 1st (#1 overall) JaMarcus Russell LSU 1st (#1 overall) Alex Smith Cal 1st (#1 overall) Donovan McNabb Syracuse 1st (#2...right after Tim Couch) Philip Rivers NC State 1st (#4 overall) After the 9th pick: Jay Cutler Vandy 1st (#11 pick) Ben Roethlisberger Miami of Ohio 1st (#11 pick) Aaron Rogers Cal 1st (#24 pick) Jason Campbell Auburn 1st (#28 pick) Joe Flacco Delaware 1st (#18 pick) Chad Pennington Marshall 1st (#18 pick) Later Rounds: Brett Favre S Miss 2nd Drew Brees Purdue 2nd Matt Schaub Virginia 3rd Kyle Orton Purdue 4th David Garrard E Carolina 4th Matt Hasselbeck BC 6th Tom Brady* Michigan 6th Matt Cassel USC 7th Kurt Warner N Iowa Undrafted Tony Romo E Illinois Undrafted Bills: Trent Edwards Stanford 3rd Ryan Fitzpatrick Harvard 7th Brian Brohm Louisville 2nd Interesting combo of several years drafts but has nothing to do with this years draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 Matthews (D&C) says Bills must take Claussen @ #9 if he's there. Says Claussen is brash has a big and accurate arm. Goes on to say that he's 16-18 as a starter @ ND.... but, he played behind a bad O line. And you should take a Rochester paper as gospel when it comes to analyzing a Midwest college football program. Clausen is an outstanding QB and his O-line was fine last year. Anyone who watched ND at all knows their W-L sucked because Charlie Weis doesn't know a damn thing about defense. QBs in the draft are always a crap shoot, but he's as good a bet as your going to see. Now, this puzzles me. I get the bashing of people who parrot W/L record, throw out Brady Quinn's name and can't even manage to spell 'Clausen' without seven "Ss." Same for Wiesss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FutureBillsGM Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 Calling Bob Matthews an idiot is insulting to idiots. PTR I wrote Bob Matthews a letter when I was 12 years old (I am 28 now) when he was actually relevent in the Rochester sports scene talking about my plans to bring a minor league basketball team to Rochester (I have wanted to be a GM since I was about 6, lol). He read the letter, stating I was 12, and wrote back a scathing, derogatory letter. I understand what he was saying but Rochester does have a minor league team now and what adult does that to a 12 year old with an at least well though out plan for their age. He's always been a loser and always will be. Still got the letter at my parents house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve O Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 Calling Bob Matthews an idiot is insulting to idiots. PTR While I don't agree with Matthews very often, at least he always has something sports related to talk about. No actor draft, doesn't go on for hours about a movie he saw, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 Clausen is NOT a franchise guy. If he were a franchise guy we would be talking about him as a top five pick. It would be a waste of the 9 pick to pick either clausen or bradford. Neither one of them is that good, and we have a putrid offensive line that needs one of the two very good LT's that will be available at 9. So, what you're saying is.... You're not a franchise qb unless you're being predicted to go top 5? FIrst and foremost, MANY mock drafts have him going top 5. Whether or not he is worthy is opinion. I don't remember people talking about Brady, brees, warner, Montana, moon, roethlisberger, hasselback, favre, Ryan, flacco, Marino (my fingers will fall off if I type all the franchise qbs that weren't in the discussion to be the number 1 pick) being the #1 pick. Delete you post man....it's real bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 SO basically this post is just a B ch fest and provides nothign to enlighten. SO let me try. Clausen played behind a terrible o-line and had NO, NADA and zilch defense, and he was playing in College, had been coached to play a pro style ofense, adn is the "Most NFL ready" by many standards. Fitzpatrick did his losing in the pros where he has had the oppertunity to prove he is a starter and has failed. well maybe u r right re Clausen..time will tell. But Fitz--altho an untalented QB skillwise--does happen to win games--and altho he is not an NFL starter he doesnt lose a lot of games like his more talented colleagues do(Cutler,Bledsoe etal) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 I wrote Bob Matthews a letter when I was 12 years old (I am 28 now) when he was actually relevent in the Rochester sports scene talking about my plans to bring a minor league basketball team to Rochester (I have wanted to be a GM since I was about 6, lol). He read the letter, stating I was 12, and wrote back a scathing, derogatory letter. I understand what he was saying but Rochester does have a minor league team now and what adult does that to a 12 year old with an at least well though out plan for their age. He's always been a loser and always will be. Still got the letter at my parents house. And Rochester now has one of the more successful minor league basketball franchises in the Razor Sharks. (Owned by an old acquaintance, I only recently found out.) I always thought Bob was wired different. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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