1billsfan Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Who's David Gettleman? He's the current Director of Pro Personnel for the NY Giants. He was man Ernie Accorsi recommended for the Browns GM position before they went ahead and hired someone from Baltimore... http://www.footballrumormill.com/tag/david-gettleman/ Why would he be such a good fit here? He got his start in the NFL when he was hired by Bill Polian and was employed with the Buffalo Bills from 1986-1992 (remember those years?)... http://www.giants.com/news/headlines/story...?story_id=27014 "At about the same time, he read an item in The Sporting News that said Polian was the new director of pro personnel for the Buffalo Bills. He wrote Polian a letter, asking for an internship. Polian invited him to Buffalo for an interview. At the same time, his hometown Patriots had internships available in both personnel and public relations. The personnel position was quickly filled and Gettleman interviewed for the public relations internship. But he was far more interested in personnel, so he pursued the Buffalo position. The Patriots' personnel internship went, ironically, to Sternfeld, who stayed with New England in a variety of capacities until joining the Giants in 2002. Gettleman enrolled at St. Thomas University in Miami, where he attended Dolphins games and sent information back to Polian. After earning his degree, Gettleman moved to Buffalo, where he spent the 1986 season scouting college games as an intern. "I was making $150 a week and I was married," Gettleman said. "Joanne had, for us, a pretty good job so we were making ends meet. They asked me to stay after the season ended and I was making $4 an hour. "After the draft Bill calls me in his office and he says, 'How would you like a job?' I said, 'Where do I sign up?' Then I asked, 'How much?' and he said, 'Eighteen thousand dollars and that's it.' I said, 'Well, let me talk to Joanne.' I went home and said, 'I have good news and I have bad news, the good news is they offered me a job, the bad news is it is for eighteen thousand.' The kicker is that Joanne was pregnant. So I went back and they gave me a company car so I took the job." Gettleman was the Bills' scout for the BLESTO scouting combine for most of his tenure in Buffalo, which ended in 1992. He then went to work for BLESTO but disliked having no team affiliation." So you have the recommendation of one of the best GMs in NFL history, you have the ties to the Bills glory years. It seems to me that this is the guy that the Bills should be targeting to right the ship. Who's the coach going to be? My guess is that he'd hire a guy like Jim Harbaugh. Tough as nails, knows the pro game, knows the QB position. I think that Harbaugh has a good chance to be the next Jeff Fisher or Bill Cowher. A former player turned head coach who has a real passion for winning. I think this approach might be even better than hiring Mike Shanahan who was a real dope when it came to hand picking players for his roster which turned out to blow up in the Bronco's faces more often than not. Remember Maurice Clarrett? Plus, do you really want someone that you have to bribe and is only coming here for the money? So there you have it. Hope someone from the Bills heeds my advice and takes a look at this guy for the Bills GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog69 Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Sounds like a solid choice to me. I would like Casserly as GM but this guy sounds fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted November 25, 2009 Author Share Posted November 25, 2009 Sounds like a solid choice to me. I would like Casserly as GM but this guy sounds fine. Before I found Gettleman, I was thinking Casserly and then I came across this... http://bleacherreport.com/articles/294883-...harlie-casserly "So, though Casserly has made some good decisions as a GM in the NFL (2006 Texans draft class), he has also made some bone headed decisions that have hurt the teams he was running (Heath Shuler and Buchanon come to mind). The Browns do not need someone that is so hot and cold running their franchise. They need someone who is a proven winner that knows how to make changes and adjustments to a roster that has a long way to go before it can be competitive." Reading that soured me on Casserly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog69 Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Before I found the Gettleman, I was thinking Casserly and then I came across this... http://bleacherreport.com/articles/294883-...harlie-casserly "So, though Casserly has made some good decisions as a GM in the NFL (2006 Texans draft class), he has also made some bone headed decisions that have hurt the teams he was running (Heath Shuler and Buchanon come to mind). The Browns do not need someone that is so hot and cold running their franchise. They need someone who is a proven winner that knows how to make changes and adjustments to a roster that has a long way to go before it can be competitive." Reading that soured me on Casserly. You can find bad picks by any GM. Schuler was touted highy at the time and turned out to be a bust. You cannot blame him for not hitting on every pick. I imagine we could go back through all of Polian's picks and find some 1st round duds, but he is still one of the best GMs in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 You can find bad picks by any GM. Schuler was touted highy at the time and turned out to be a bust. You cannot blame him for not hitting on every pick. I imagine we could go back through all of Polian's picks and find some 1st round duds, but he is still one of the best GMs in the NFL. Here's what Polian drafted while he was here: 1993 No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 1 28 28 Thomas Smith DB North Carolina 2 2 26 55 John Parrella DT Nebraska 3 4 27 111 Russell Copeland WR Memphis 4 5 24 136 Mike Devlin C Iowa 5 5 27 139 Sebastian Savage DB North Carolina State 6 6 27 167 Corbin Lacina T Augustana (SD) 7 7 27 195 Willie Harris WR Mississippi State 8 8 27 223 Chris Leuneberg T West Chester (PA) 1992 No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 1 27 27 John Fina T Arizona 2 2 27 55 James Patton DT Texas 3 3 27 83 Keith Goganious LB Penn State 4 4 27 111 Frank Kmet DE Purdue 5 5 27 139 Matt Darby DB UCLA 6 6 27 167 Nate Turner RB Nebraska 7 7 27 195 Kurt Schulz DB Eastern Washington 8 8 27 223 Leonard Humphries DB Penn State 9 9 27 251 Chris Walsh WR Stanford 10 10 27 279 Barry Rose WR Wisconsin-Stevens Point 11 11 27 307 Vince Marrow TE Toledo 12 12 27 335 Matt Rodgers QB Iowa 1991 No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 1 26 26 Henry Jones DB Illinois 2 2 27 54 Phil Hansen DE North Dakota State 3 3 27 82 Darryl Wren DB Pittsburg State (KS) 4 5 27 138 Shawn Wilbourn DB Long Beach State 5 6 27 166 Millard Hamilton WR Clark 6 7 27 194 Amir Rasul RB Florida A&M 7 8 27 222 Brad Lamb WR Anderson 8 9 26 249 Mark Maddox LB Northern Michigan 9 10 27 277 Tony DeLorenzo G New Mexico State 10 11 27 305 Dean Kirkland G Washington 11 12 27 333 Stephen Clark TE Texas 1990 Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 1 16 16 James Williams DB Fresno State 2 2 17 42 Carwell Gardner RB Louisville 3 3 16 69 Glenn Parker T Arizona 4 4 19 100 Eddie Fuller RB Louisiana State 5 6 17 154 John Nies P Arizona 6 7 1 166 Brent Griffith G Minnesota-Duluth 7 7 5 170 Brent Collins LB Carson-Newman 8 7 16 181 Fred DeRiggi DT Syracuse 9 8 15 208 Marvcus Patton LB UCLA 10 9 18 238 Clarkston Hines WR Duke 11 10 17 265 Mike Lodish DT UCLA 12 11 16 292 Al Edwards WR Northwestern State (LA) 1989s No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 8 0 0 Brett Young DB Oregon 1989 No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 3 26 82 Don Beebe WR Chadron State 2 4 25 109 John Kolesar WR Michigan 3 5 25 137 Michael Andrews DB Alcorn State 4 6 25 164 Sean Doctor TE Marshall 5 7 6 173 Brian Jordan DB Richmond 6 7 26 193 Chris Hale DB USC 7 9 26 249 Pat Rabold DT Wyoming 8 10 25 276 Carlo Cheattom DB Auburn 9 11 26 305 Richard Harvey LB Tulane 10 12 25 332 Derrell Marshall T USC 1988 No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 2 13 40 Thurman Thomas RB Oklahoma State 2 3 10 65 Bernard Fored WR Central Florida 3 5 14 123 Ezekial Gadson DB Pittsburgh 4 5 26 135 Kirk Roach K Western Carolina 5 6 13 150 Dan Murray LB East Stroudsburg (PA) 6 7 12 177 Tim Brocky T Memphis State 7 7 19 184 Bo Wright RB Alabama 8 8 11 204 John Hagy DB Texas 9 8 20 213 Jeff Wright DT Central Missouri State 10 9 14 235 Carlton Bailey LB North Carolina 11 10 13 262 Martin Mayhew DB Florida State 12 11 12 289 Pete Curkendall DT Penn State 13 12 4 309 John Driscoll T New Hampshire 14 12 11 316 Tom Erlandson LB Washington 1987 No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 1 8 8 Shane Conlan LB Penn State 2 2 1 29 Nate Odomes DB Wisconsin 3 2 5 33 Roland Mitchell DB Texas Tech 4 3 4 60 David Brandon LB Memphis State 5 3 22 78 Jamie Mueller RB Benedictine 6 4 25 109 Leon Seals DE Jackson State 7 7 3 171 Kerry Porter RB Washington State 8 8 14 209 Bruce Mesner DT Maryland 9 9 4 227 Keith McKeller TE Jacksonville State 10 11 4 283 Howard Ballard T Alabama A&M 11 12 4 311 Joe McGrail DT Delaware 1986 No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 1 16 16 Ronnie Harmon RB Iowa 2 1 20 20 Will Wolford T Vanderbilt 3 3 22 77 Leonard Burton C South Carolina 4 5 1 111 Carl Byrum RB Mississippi Valley State 5 7 2 168 Bob Williams TE Penn State 6 7 12 178 Mark Pike LB Georgia Tech 7 7 14 180 Butch Rolle TE Michigan State 8 8 8 202 Tony Furjanic LB Notre Dame 9 9 1 222 Reggie Bynum WR Oregon State 10 10 2 251 Guy Teafatiller DT Illinois 11 11 1 278 Tony Garbarczyk DT Wake Forest 12 11 5 282 Billy Witt DE North Alabama 13 12 8 313 Brian McClure QB Bowling Green 14 12 26 331 Derek Christian LB West Virginia Tech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted November 25, 2009 Author Share Posted November 25, 2009 You can find bad picks by any GM. Schuler was touted highy at the time and turned out to be a bust. You cannot blame him for not hitting on every pick. I imagine we could go back through all of Polian's picks and find some 1st round duds, but he is still one of the best GMs in the NFL. I wouldn't mind them looking at Casserly...but David Gettleman, who is the current Director of Pro Personnel for the NY Giants (who happen to be one of the top four scouting departments in the NFL) and who was recommended by the Accorsi, and who got his start with Polian and stayed with the Bills for the glory years, looks like a much better candidate than Casserly. It's not just about name recognition, it's about a logical Bills GM prospect that for some strange reason has not been discussed as far as I can tell. I want the Bills to be like the Giants, Steelers, Ravens and Patriots. Successful franchises that were built by the scouting departments, just like that once great franchise from Buffalo a couple of decades ago. Could Casserly do it? Sure, but I think this guy looks like a much better choice given the two of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMode54 Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Here's what Polian drafted while he was here: 1993 No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 1 28 28 Thomas Smith DB North Carolina 2 2 26 55 John Parrella DT Nebraska 3 4 27 111 Russell Copeland WR Memphis 4 5 24 136 Mike Devlin C Iowa 5 5 27 139 Sebastian Savage DB North Carolina State 6 6 27 167 Corbin Lacina T Augustana (SD) 7 7 27 195 Willie Harris WR Mississippi State 8 8 27 223 Chris Leuneberg T West Chester (PA) 1992 No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 1 27 27 John Fina T Arizona 2 2 27 55 James Patton DT Texas 3 3 27 83 Keith Goganious LB Penn State 4 4 27 111 Frank Kmet DE Purdue 5 5 27 139 Matt Darby DB UCLA 6 6 27 167 Nate Turner RB Nebraska 7 7 27 195 Kurt Schulz DB Eastern Washington 8 8 27 223 Leonard Humphries DB Penn State 9 9 27 251 Chris Walsh WR Stanford 10 10 27 279 Barry Rose WR Wisconsin-Stevens Point 11 11 27 307 Vince Marrow TE Toledo 12 12 27 335 Matt Rodgers QB Iowa 1991 No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 1 26 26 Henry Jones DB Illinois 2 2 27 54 Phil Hansen DE North Dakota State 3 3 27 82 Darryl Wren DB Pittsburg State (KS) 4 5 27 138 Shawn Wilbourn DB Long Beach State 5 6 27 166 Millard Hamilton WR Clark 6 7 27 194 Amir Rasul RB Florida A&M 7 8 27 222 Brad Lamb WR Anderson 8 9 26 249 Mark Maddox LB Northern Michigan 9 10 27 277 Tony DeLorenzo G New Mexico State 10 11 27 305 Dean Kirkland G Washington 11 12 27 333 Stephen Clark TE Texas 1990 Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 1 16 16 James Williams DB Fresno State 2 2 17 42 Carwell Gardner RB Louisville 3 3 16 69 Glenn Parker T Arizona 4 4 19 100 Eddie Fuller RB Louisiana State 5 6 17 154 John Nies P Arizona 6 7 1 166 Brent Griffith G Minnesota-Duluth 7 7 5 170 Brent Collins LB Carson-Newman 8 7 16 181 Fred DeRiggi DT Syracuse 9 8 15 208 Marvcus Patton LB UCLA 10 9 18 238 Clarkston Hines WR Duke 11 10 17 265 Mike Lodish DT UCLA 12 11 16 292 Al Edwards WR Northwestern State (LA) 1989s No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 8 0 0 Brett Young DB Oregon 1989 No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 3 26 82 Don Beebe WR Chadron State 2 4 25 109 John Kolesar WR Michigan 3 5 25 137 Michael Andrews DB Alcorn State 4 6 25 164 Sean Doctor TE Marshall 5 7 6 173 Brian Jordan DB Richmond 6 7 26 193 Chris Hale DB USC 7 9 26 249 Pat Rabold DT Wyoming 8 10 25 276 Carlo Cheattom DB Auburn 9 11 26 305 Richard Harvey LB Tulane 10 12 25 332 Derrell Marshall T USC 1988 No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 2 13 40 Thurman Thomas RB Oklahoma State 2 3 10 65 Bernard Fored WR Central Florida 3 5 14 123 Ezekial Gadson DB Pittsburgh 4 5 26 135 Kirk Roach K Western Carolina 5 6 13 150 Dan Murray LB East Stroudsburg (PA) 6 7 12 177 Tim Brocky T Memphis State 7 7 19 184 Bo Wright RB Alabama 8 8 11 204 John Hagy DB Texas 9 8 20 213 Jeff Wright DT Central Missouri State 10 9 14 235 Carlton Bailey LB North Carolina 11 10 13 262 Martin Mayhew DB Florida State 12 11 12 289 Pete Curkendall DT Penn State 13 12 4 309 John Driscoll T New Hampshire 14 12 11 316 Tom Erlandson LB Washington 1987 No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 1 8 8 Shane Conlan LB Penn State 2 2 1 29 Nate Odomes DB Wisconsin 3 2 5 33 Roland Mitchell DB Texas Tech 4 3 4 60 David Brandon LB Memphis State 5 3 22 78 Jamie Mueller RB Benedictine 6 4 25 109 Leon Seals DE Jackson State 7 7 3 171 Kerry Porter RB Washington State 8 8 14 209 Bruce Mesner DT Maryland 9 9 4 227 Keith McKeller TE Jacksonville State 10 11 4 283 Howard Ballard T Alabama A&M 11 12 4 311 Joe McGrail DT Delaware 1986 No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 1 16 16 Ronnie Harmon RB Iowa 2 1 20 20 Will Wolford T Vanderbilt 3 3 22 77 Leonard Burton C South Carolina 4 5 1 111 Carl Byrum RB Mississippi Valley State 5 7 2 168 Bob Williams TE Penn State 6 7 12 178 Mark Pike LB Georgia Tech 7 7 14 180 Butch Rolle TE Michigan State 8 8 8 202 Tony Furjanic LB Notre Dame 9 9 1 222 Reggie Bynum WR Oregon State 10 10 2 251 Guy Teafatiller DT Illinois 11 11 1 278 Tony Garbarczyk DT Wake Forest 12 11 5 282 Billy Witt DE North Alabama 13 12 8 313 Brian McClure QB Bowling Green 14 12 26 331 Derek Christian LB West Virginia Tech Looks like we drafted a lot of first round DB's then too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 The reason the Bills haven't hired a GM is because they are holding out that power to give to a big name guy like Shanny. Honestly if you get declined by Shanny then that guy from the Giants sounds like a good choice. BUT they are not going to hire a GM while a guy like Shanny wants that power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Here's what Polian drafted while he was here: 1993 No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 1 28 28 Thomas Smith DB North Carolina 2 2 26 55 John Parrella DT Nebraska 3 4 27 111 Russell Copeland WR Memphis 4 5 24 136 Mike Devlin C Iowa 5 5 27 139 Sebastian Savage DB North Carolina State 6 6 27 167 Corbin Lacina T Augustana (SD) 7 7 27 195 Willie Harris WR Mississippi State 8 8 27 223 Chris Leuneberg T West Chester (PA) 1992 No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 1 27 27 John Fina T Arizona 2 2 27 55 James Patton DT Texas 3 3 27 83 Keith Goganious LB Penn State 4 4 27 111 Frank Kmet DE Purdue 5 5 27 139 Matt Darby DB UCLA 6 6 27 167 Nate Turner RB Nebraska 7 7 27 195 Kurt Schulz DB Eastern Washington 8 8 27 223 Leonard Humphries DB Penn State 9 9 27 251 Chris Walsh WR Stanford 10 10 27 279 Barry Rose WR Wisconsin-Stevens Point 11 11 27 307 Vince Marrow TE Toledo 12 12 27 335 Matt Rodgers QB Iowa 1991 No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 1 26 26 Henry Jones DB Illinois 2 2 27 54 Phil Hansen DE North Dakota State 3 3 27 82 Darryl Wren DB Pittsburg State (KS) 4 5 27 138 Shawn Wilbourn DB Long Beach State 5 6 27 166 Millard Hamilton WR Clark 6 7 27 194 Amir Rasul RB Florida A&M 7 8 27 222 Brad Lamb WR Anderson 8 9 26 249 Mark Maddox LB Northern Michigan 9 10 27 277 Tony DeLorenzo G New Mexico State 10 11 27 305 Dean Kirkland G Washington 11 12 27 333 Stephen Clark TE Texas 1990 Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 1 16 16 James Williams DB Fresno State 2 2 17 42 Carwell Gardner RB Louisville 3 3 16 69 Glenn Parker T Arizona 4 4 19 100 Eddie Fuller RB Louisiana State 5 6 17 154 John Nies P Arizona 6 7 1 166 Brent Griffith G Minnesota-Duluth 7 7 5 170 Brent Collins LB Carson-Newman 8 7 16 181 Fred DeRiggi DT Syracuse 9 8 15 208 Marvcus Patton LB UCLA 10 9 18 238 Clarkston Hines WR Duke 11 10 17 265 Mike Lodish DT UCLA 12 11 16 292 Al Edwards WR Northwestern State (LA) 1989s No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 8 0 0 Brett Young DB Oregon 1989 No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 3 26 82 Don Beebe WR Chadron State 2 4 25 109 John Kolesar WR Michigan 3 5 25 137 Michael Andrews DB Alcorn State 4 6 25 164 Sean Doctor TE Marshall 5 7 6 173 Brian Jordan DB Richmond 6 7 26 193 Chris Hale DB USC 7 9 26 249 Pat Rabold DT Wyoming 8 10 25 276 Carlo Cheattom DB Auburn 9 11 26 305 Richard Harvey LB Tulane 10 12 25 332 Derrell Marshall T USC 1988 No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 2 13 40 Thurman Thomas RB Oklahoma State 2 3 10 65 Bernard Fored WR Central Florida 3 5 14 123 Ezekial Gadson DB Pittsburgh 4 5 26 135 Kirk Roach K Western Carolina 5 6 13 150 Dan Murray LB East Stroudsburg (PA) 6 7 12 177 Tim Brocky T Memphis State 7 7 19 184 Bo Wright RB Alabama 8 8 11 204 John Hagy DB Texas 9 8 20 213 Jeff Wright DT Central Missouri State 10 9 14 235 Carlton Bailey LB North Carolina 11 10 13 262 Martin Mayhew DB Florida State 12 11 12 289 Pete Curkendall DT Penn State 13 12 4 309 John Driscoll T New Hampshire 14 12 11 316 Tom Erlandson LB Washington 1987 No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 1 8 8 Shane Conlan LB Penn State 2 2 1 29 Nate Odomes DB Wisconsin 3 2 5 33 Roland Mitchell DB Texas Tech 4 3 4 60 David Brandon LB Memphis State 5 3 22 78 Jamie Mueller RB Benedictine 6 4 25 109 Leon Seals DE Jackson State 7 7 3 171 Kerry Porter RB Washington State 8 8 14 209 Bruce Mesner DT Maryland 9 9 4 227 Keith McKeller TE Jacksonville State 10 11 4 283 Howard Ballard T Alabama A&M 11 12 4 311 Joe McGrail DT Delaware 1986 No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 1 16 16 Ronnie Harmon RB Iowa 2 1 20 20 Will Wolford T Vanderbilt 3 3 22 77 Leonard Burton C South Carolina 4 5 1 111 Carl Byrum RB Mississippi Valley State 5 7 2 168 Bob Williams TE Penn State 6 7 12 178 Mark Pike LB Georgia Tech 7 7 14 180 Butch Rolle TE Michigan State 8 8 8 202 Tony Furjanic LB Notre Dame 9 9 1 222 Reggie Bynum WR Oregon State 10 10 2 251 Guy Teafatiller DT Illinois 11 11 1 278 Tony Garbarczyk DT Wake Forest 12 11 5 282 Billy Witt DE North Alabama 13 12 8 313 Brian McClure QB Bowling Green 14 12 26 331 Derek Christian LB West Virginia Tech 87 draft was a great year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted November 25, 2009 Author Share Posted November 25, 2009 The reason the Bills haven't hired a GM is because they are holding out that power to give to a big name guy like Shanny. Honestly if you get declined by Shanny then that guy from the Giants sounds like a good choice. BUT they are not going to hire a GM while a guy like Shanny wants that power. I agree, Bills franchise rescuing approach... Plan A: hire Shanahan (all the other big name ex-coaches who would be trusted with GM duties have opted out) Plan B: hire best GM prospect available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 The reason the Bills haven't hired a GM is because they are holding out that power to give to a big name guy like Shanny. Honestly if you get declined by Shanny then that guy from the Giants sounds like a good choice. BUT they are not going to hire a GM while a guy like Shanny wants that power. Which is why they are making a big mistake. Just hire a good GM and let him hire a good coach. End of story. Stop chasing wannabe football czars and promising them the moon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 I wouldn't mind them looking at Casserly...but David Gettleman, who is the current Director of Pro Personnel for the NY Giants (who happen to be one of the top four scouting departments in the NFL) and who was recommended by the Accorsi, and who got his start with Polian and stayed with the Bills for the glory years, looks like a much better candidate than Casserly. It's not just about name recognition, it's about a logical Bills GM prospect that for some strange reason has not been discussed as far as I can tell. I want the Bills to be like the Giants, Steelers, Ravens and Patriots. Successful franchises that were built by the scouting departments, just like that once great franchise from Buffalo a couple of decades ago. Could Casserly do it? Sure, but I think this guy looks like a much better choice given the two of them. Gettleman has some nice credentials. I don't think I want a first time GM as our hire. Casserly, Floyd Reese and their ilk have done it before. There is a big step up from being a scout and personnel director to becoming a GM. I'm personally not comfortable with someone who's never done it before. We're talking about rebuilding a franchise from the top down. I'd prefer an experienced candidate for this hire. I agree, Bills franchise rescuing approach... Plan A: hire Shanahan (all the other big name ex-coaches who would be trusted with GM duties have opted out) Plan B: hire best GM prospect available If you hire Shanahan, you're most likely going to get a weak GM. I personally don't like this model for rebuilding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog69 Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Here's what Polian drafted while he was here: 1993 No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 1 28 28 Thomas Smith DB North Carolina 2 2 26 55 John Parrella DT Nebraska 3 4 27 111 Russell Copeland WR Memphis 4 5 24 136 Mike Devlin C Iowa 5 5 27 139 Sebastian Savage DB North Carolina State 6 6 27 167 Corbin Lacina T Augustana (SD) 7 7 27 195 Willie Harris WR Mississippi State 8 8 27 223 Chris Leuneberg T West Chester (PA) 1992 No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 1 27 27 John Fina T Arizona 2 2 27 55 James Patton DT Texas 3 3 27 83 Keith Goganious LB Penn State 4 4 27 111 Frank Kmet DE Purdue 5 5 27 139 Matt Darby DB UCLA 6 6 27 167 Nate Turner RB Nebraska 7 7 27 195 Kurt Schulz DB Eastern Washington 8 8 27 223 Leonard Humphries DB Penn State 9 9 27 251 Chris Walsh WR Stanford 10 10 27 279 Barry Rose WR Wisconsin-Stevens Point 11 11 27 307 Vince Marrow TE Toledo 12 12 27 335 Matt Rodgers QB Iowa 1991 No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 1 26 26 Henry Jones DB Illinois 2 2 27 54 Phil Hansen DE North Dakota State 3 3 27 82 Darryl Wren DB Pittsburg State (KS) 4 5 27 138 Shawn Wilbourn DB Long Beach State 5 6 27 166 Millard Hamilton WR Clark 6 7 27 194 Amir Rasul RB Florida A&M 7 8 27 222 Brad Lamb WR Anderson 8 9 26 249 Mark Maddox LB Northern Michigan 9 10 27 277 Tony DeLorenzo G New Mexico State 10 11 27 305 Dean Kirkland G Washington 11 12 27 333 Stephen Clark TE Texas 1990 Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 1 16 16 James Williams DB Fresno State 2 2 17 42 Carwell Gardner RB Louisville 3 3 16 69 Glenn Parker T Arizona 4 4 19 100 Eddie Fuller RB Louisiana State 5 6 17 154 John Nies P Arizona 6 7 1 166 Brent Griffith G Minnesota-Duluth 7 7 5 170 Brent Collins LB Carson-Newman 8 7 16 181 Fred DeRiggi DT Syracuse 9 8 15 208 Marvcus Patton LB UCLA 10 9 18 238 Clarkston Hines WR Duke 11 10 17 265 Mike Lodish DT UCLA 12 11 16 292 Al Edwards WR Northwestern State (LA) 1989s No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 8 0 0 Brett Young DB Oregon 1989 No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 3 26 82 Don Beebe WR Chadron State 2 4 25 109 John Kolesar WR Michigan 3 5 25 137 Michael Andrews DB Alcorn State 4 6 25 164 Sean Doctor TE Marshall 5 7 6 173 Brian Jordan DB Richmond 6 7 26 193 Chris Hale DB USC 7 9 26 249 Pat Rabold DT Wyoming 8 10 25 276 Carlo Cheattom DB Auburn 9 11 26 305 Richard Harvey LB Tulane 10 12 25 332 Derrell Marshall T USC 1988 No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 2 13 40 Thurman Thomas RB Oklahoma State 2 3 10 65 Bernard Fored WR Central Florida 3 5 14 123 Ezekial Gadson DB Pittsburgh 4 5 26 135 Kirk Roach K Western Carolina 5 6 13 150 Dan Murray LB East Stroudsburg (PA) 6 7 12 177 Tim Brocky T Memphis State 7 7 19 184 Bo Wright RB Alabama 8 8 11 204 John Hagy DB Texas 9 8 20 213 Jeff Wright DT Central Missouri State 10 9 14 235 Carlton Bailey LB North Carolina 11 10 13 262 Martin Mayhew DB Florida State 12 11 12 289 Pete Curkendall DT Penn State 13 12 4 309 John Driscoll T New Hampshire 14 12 11 316 Tom Erlandson LB Washington 1987 No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 1 8 8 Shane Conlan LB Penn State 2 2 1 29 Nate Odomes DB Wisconsin 3 2 5 33 Roland Mitchell DB Texas Tech 4 3 4 60 David Brandon LB Memphis State 5 3 22 78 Jamie Mueller RB Benedictine 6 4 25 109 Leon Seals DE Jackson State 7 7 3 171 Kerry Porter RB Washington State 8 8 14 209 Bruce Mesner DT Maryland 9 9 4 227 Keith McKeller TE Jacksonville State 10 11 4 283 Howard Ballard T Alabama A&M 11 12 4 311 Joe McGrail DT Delaware 1986 No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 1 16 16 Ronnie Harmon RB Iowa 2 1 20 20 Will Wolford T Vanderbilt 3 3 22 77 Leonard Burton C South Carolina 4 5 1 111 Carl Byrum RB Mississippi Valley State 5 7 2 168 Bob Williams TE Penn State 6 7 12 178 Mark Pike LB Georgia Tech 7 7 14 180 Butch Rolle TE Michigan State 8 8 8 202 Tony Furjanic LB Notre Dame 9 9 1 222 Reggie Bynum WR Oregon State 10 10 2 251 Guy Teafatiller DT Illinois 11 11 1 278 Tony Garbarczyk DT Wake Forest 12 11 5 282 Billy Witt DE North Alabama 13 12 8 313 Brian McClure QB Bowling Green 14 12 26 331 Derek Christian LB West Virginia Tech Exactly my point. Lots of great picks. But you can cherry pick the list and find lots of crappy ones. JD Williams was a bust. The entire 88 draft except Thurman sucked. Just saying, No GM is going to hit on every single pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Polian was gone before the 1993 draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Gettlemen is intriguing. I wouldn't have a problem with him or Floyd Reese. I'm not enamored with Casserly, though he showed wisdom picking a DE over Reggie friggin' Bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 Maybe Shanny needs a change of scenery, but I'd rather see the team sign a GM with personnel experience. That person can then find the coach. Perhaps they think only a big name will sell tickets, but people like Gettleman and others have been finding players for years. It's not the fancy move, but it'll cost a heckuva lot less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flbillsfan#1 Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 Here's what Polian drafted while he was here: 1993 No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 1 28 28 Thomas Smith DB North Carolina 2 2 26 55 John Parrella DT Nebraska 3 4 27 111 Russell Copeland WR Memphis 4 5 24 136 Mike Devlin C Iowa 5 5 27 139 Sebastian Savage DB North Carolina State 6 6 27 167 Corbin Lacina T Augustana (SD) 7 7 27 195 Willie Harris WR Mississippi State 8 8 27 223 Chris Leuneberg T West Chester (PA) 1992 No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 1 27 27 John Fina T Arizona 2 2 27 55 James Patton DT Texas 3 3 27 83 Keith Goganious LB Penn State 4 4 27 111 Frank Kmet DE Purdue 5 5 27 139 Matt Darby DB UCLA 6 6 27 167 Nate Turner RB Nebraska 7 7 27 195 Kurt Schulz DB Eastern Washington 8 8 27 223 Leonard Humphries DB Penn State 9 9 27 251 Chris Walsh WR Stanford 10 10 27 279 Barry Rose WR Wisconsin-Stevens Point 11 11 27 307 Vince Marrow TE Toledo 12 12 27 335 Matt Rodgers QB Iowa 1991 No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 1 26 26 Henry Jones DB Illinois 2 2 27 54 Phil Hansen DE North Dakota State 3 3 27 82 Darryl Wren DB Pittsburg State (KS) 4 5 27 138 Shawn Wilbourn DB Long Beach State 5 6 27 166 Millard Hamilton WR Clark 6 7 27 194 Amir Rasul RB Florida A&M 7 8 27 222 Brad Lamb WR Anderson 8 9 26 249 Mark Maddox LB Northern Michigan 9 10 27 277 Tony DeLorenzo G New Mexico State 10 11 27 305 Dean Kirkland G Washington 11 12 27 333 Stephen Clark TE Texas 1990 Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 1 16 16 James Williams DB Fresno State 2 2 17 42 Carwell Gardner RB Louisville 3 3 16 69 Glenn Parker T Arizona 4 4 19 100 Eddie Fuller RB Louisiana State 5 6 17 154 John Nies P Arizona 6 7 1 166 Brent Griffith G Minnesota-Duluth 7 7 5 170 Brent Collins LB Carson-Newman 8 7 16 181 Fred DeRiggi DT Syracuse 9 8 15 208 Marvcus Patton LB UCLA 10 9 18 238 Clarkston Hines WR Duke 11 10 17 265 Mike Lodish DT UCLA 12 11 16 292 Al Edwards WR Northwestern State (LA) 1989s No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 8 0 0 Brett Young DB Oregon 1989 No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 3 26 82 Don Beebe WR Chadron State 2 4 25 109 John Kolesar WR Michigan 3 5 25 137 Michael Andrews DB Alcorn State 4 6 25 164 Sean Doctor TE Marshall 5 7 6 173 Brian Jordan DB Richmond 6 7 26 193 Chris Hale DB USC 7 9 26 249 Pat Rabold DT Wyoming 8 10 25 276 Carlo Cheattom DB Auburn 9 11 26 305 Richard Harvey LB Tulane 10 12 25 332 Derrell Marshall T USC 1988 No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 2 13 40 Thurman Thomas RB Oklahoma State 2 3 10 65 Bernard Fored WR Central Florida 3 5 14 123 Ezekial Gadson DB Pittsburgh 4 5 26 135 Kirk Roach K Western Carolina 5 6 13 150 Dan Murray LB East Stroudsburg (PA) 6 7 12 177 Tim Brocky T Memphis State 7 7 19 184 Bo Wright RB Alabama 8 8 11 204 John Hagy DB Texas 9 8 20 213 Jeff Wright DT Central Missouri State 10 9 14 235 Carlton Bailey LB North Carolina 11 10 13 262 Martin Mayhew DB Florida State 12 11 12 289 Pete Curkendall DT Penn State 13 12 4 309 John Driscoll T New Hampshire 14 12 11 316 Tom Erlandson LB Washington 1987 No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 1 8 8 Shane Conlan LB Penn State 2 2 1 29 Nate Odomes DB Wisconsin 3 2 5 33 Roland Mitchell DB Texas Tech 4 3 4 60 David Brandon LB Memphis State 5 3 22 78 Jamie Mueller RB Benedictine 6 4 25 109 Leon Seals DE Jackson State 7 7 3 171 Kerry Porter RB Washington State 8 8 14 209 Bruce Mesner DT Maryland 9 9 4 227 Keith McKeller TE Jacksonville State 10 11 4 283 Howard Ballard T Alabama A&M 11 12 4 311 Joe McGrail DT Delaware 1986 No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 1 1 16 16 Ronnie Harmon RB Iowa 2 1 20 20 Will Wolford T Vanderbilt 3 3 22 77 Leonard Burton C South Carolina 4 5 1 111 Carl Byrum RB Mississippi Valley State 5 7 2 168 Bob Williams TE Penn State 6 7 12 178 Mark Pike LB Georgia Tech 7 7 14 180 Butch Rolle TE Michigan State 8 8 8 202 Tony Furjanic LB Notre Dame 9 9 1 222 Reggie Bynum WR Oregon State 10 10 2 251 Guy Teafatiller DT Illinois 11 11 1 278 Tony Garbarczyk DT Wake Forest 12 11 5 282 Billy Witt DE North Alabama 13 12 8 313 Brian McClure QB Bowling Green 14 12 26 331 Derek Christian LB West Virginia Tech Biggest mistake under Polian was getting rid of John Parrella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheRocks Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 Who's David Gettleman? He's the current Director of Pro Personnel for the NY Giants. He was man Ernie Accorsi recommended for the Browns GM position before they went ahead and hired someone from Baltimore... http://www.footballrumormill.com/tag/david-gettleman/ Why would he be such a good fit here? He got his start in the NFL when he was hired by Bill Polian and was employed with the Buffalo Bills from 1986-1992 (remember those years?)... http://www.giants.com/news/headlines/story...?story_id=27014 "At about the same time, he read an item in The Sporting News that said Polian was the new director of pro personnel for the Buffalo Bills. He wrote Polian a letter, asking for an internship. Polian invited him to Buffalo for an interview. At the same time, his hometown Patriots had internships available in both personnel and public relations. The personnel position was quickly filled and Gettleman interviewed for the public relations internship. But he was far more interested in personnel, so he pursued the Buffalo position. The Patriots' personnel internship went, ironically, to Sternfeld, who stayed with New England in a variety of capacities until joining the Giants in 2002. Gettleman enrolled at St. Thomas University in Miami, where he attended Dolphins games and sent information back to Polian. After earning his degree, Gettleman moved to Buffalo, where he spent the 1986 season scouting college games as an intern. "I was making $150 a week and I was married," Gettleman said. "Joanne had, for us, a pretty good job so we were making ends meet. They asked me to stay after the season ended and I was making $4 an hour. "After the draft Bill calls me in his office and he says, 'How would you like a job?' I said, 'Where do I sign up?' Then I asked, 'How much?' and he said, 'Eighteen thousand dollars and that's it.' I said, 'Well, let me talk to Joanne.' I went home and said, 'I have good news and I have bad news, the good news is they offered me a job, the bad news is it is for eighteen thousand.' The kicker is that Joanne was pregnant. So I went back and they gave me a company car so I took the job." Gettleman was the Bills' scout for the BLESTO scouting combine for most of his tenure in Buffalo, which ended in 1992. He then went to work for BLESTO but disliked having no team affiliation." So you have the recommendation of one of the best GMs in NFL history, you have the ties to the Bills glory years. It seems to me that this is the guy that the Bills should be targeting to right the ship. Who's the coach going to be? My guess is that he'd hire a guy like Jim Harbaugh. Tough as nails, knows the pro game, knows the QB position. I think that Harbaugh has a good chance to be the next Jeff Fisher or Bill Cowher. A former player turned head coach who has a real passion for winning. I think this approach might be even better than hiring Mike Shanahan who was a real dope when it came to hand picking players for his roster which turned out to blow up in the Bronco's faces more often than not. Remember Maurice Clarrett? Plus, do you really want someone that you have to bribe and is only coming here for the money? So there you have it. Hope someone from the Bills heeds my advice and takes a look at this guy for the Bills GM. Thank you for posting this. I have thought that if I had the choice to pick anyone to be the GM, it would be to take a stab at pulling Accorsi out of retirment - which would be such a long shot it's not really worth discussing. I was not familiar with Gettleman, but I do like him as a candidate. I would want to know who he would want to target for a coaching staff before pulling the trigger...but yeah...if it was announced tomorrow that he was named the GM, I would not be the least bit disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 Which is why they are making a big mistake. Just hire a good GM and let him hire a good coach. End of story. Stop chasing wannabe football czars and promising them the moon. You can find a GM in late December I guess my point is you want to keep the option open for a Shanahan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChimp Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 Which is why they are making a big mistake. Just hire a good GM and let him hire a good coach. End of story. Stop chasing wannabe football czars and promising them the moon. Ralph will do whatever sells more tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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