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A dirty hit how? Go back and look at the replay...There is absolutely no way Alonso could have known Hoyer was going to go into a slide suddenly right there...That's why it was not flagged...Alonso is coming at him like a missile and when he gets about 1-2 yards away Hoyer starts to slide...Kiko is already aiming for Hoyer's midsection, but the slide had started and Kiko basically goes right through him...That's why Hoyer's legs got caught in a really strange way...His slide was so late and Kiko was right there...There was absolutely nothing dirty about that hit whatsoever...

Good find... I'm certainly not saying Freeman is the be-all, end-all...Or anything like that...But it seems to me Schiano is a HC that can REALLY rub some people the wrong way...I know when I've had personal issues with individuals at work it rarely gets better with time...Usually lines end up being drawn, and someone ends up leaving...Maybe Freeman was simply not a guy Schiano could manipulate with his style of coaching...It happens...

I hear you Simon...But my gut tells me Schiano is a serious nut job... I could be wrong though...

I know some folks will ignore this stat...But it does have serious relevance when it comes to projecting the success of NFL QB's...I read a study when Locker was coming out that was pretty damning to College QB's with losing records...The best one since 2000 is Jay Cutler I believe...But Cutler was obviously a MUCH better QB coming out with better tools than Tuel...Josh Freeman was 14-18 at Kansas St... I just realized I wrote "better tools than Tuel..." I need a break...

And their way is arguably the best QB in the history of the NFL, and a HOF HC... No offense...But bad comparison...

Yawn... You're right...Injuries had nothing to do with the Bills loss last night... The Browns injuries issues pale in comparison to the Bills, and obviously their depth was better in the areas they were banged up...Especially at QB...No one is making excuses...It is what it is...It can't be ignored though...it's a fact...And the QB injuries resulted in the biggest disparity because Weedon is 100 times better than Tuel...

You are correct sir!!! There's a reason Moorman is available...He's years past his prime...

Nah...He's better... Seriously though...Freeman as average as he's looked at times, would seemingly be a HUGE upgrade to Tuel...And that speaks more about how unready Tuel is than it does how good Freeman is...And the only question right now for the Bills at QB is how much better they can do than Tuel...None of the available options is going to be a challenge to EJ...

Not sure what happened with the kid...He just sort of regressed...He punted WAY better in College...The easy assumption was that he would continue to get better...But he actually continually got worse and more erratic...The Bills really had no choice...But this was a strange and to be honest a surprising collapse to watch...I was really hoping he was going to turn into one of the better Punters in the NFL...

Is the choice between Tebow and Tuel, or Tebow and Freeman?...I would take Tebow over Tuel just because of the experience aspect...But I would take Freeman and even Thad Lewis over Tebow...

Agreed...There were a ton of minor factors in this game...But one TD drive from our back-up QB and we win the game (assuming he does not throw the freaking pick 6 of course)... I don't blame Tuel either...He's no where near ready and that's on the coaches for not realizing it a long time ago...

I think if EJ plays the whole game there would be little talk about how good the Browns are...Not that they're bad...But I don't think they're that good either...Furthermore the Bills are not very good, and they are VERY banged up... That punt returner for the Browns is dynamite though...

Impossible to argue with this point at this time... It was a short week and Marrone all but admitted Tuel had no reps in practice...But still...A vet QB with almost any competence and I think the Bills win this one...This loss is squarely on the FO and the coaches for letting it happen...Tuel is not even close to being ready to play...That was abundantly clear tonight...

Exactly... And no offense to the OP...But Tuel's an NFL QB now...If he could do what Weeden did the Bills win that game easy...And Weeden is not that good...He just has more experience...And probably a lot more talent...No question in my mind Tuel cost us the game...But it's not his fault...Hindsight is always 20/20...But it's looking like the Bills made a BIG mistake going with Tuel as the back-up...And Tavaris Jackson should have been in there tonight...Not Tuel...There are a lot of NFL back-up that could have won us this game tonight...Tuel was definitely not among them... The Browns are a good run Defense normally...With Tuel in there it just made things easier for them...No way were they going to let the Bills run the ball...The Bills could have tried more and they would have failed...Sure the play calling could have been better...The screen to Freddie worked pretty well...But Tuel has to make those short throws that were there to keep the chains moving and he was WAY off...I don't question the run/pass ratio much...If you're the Browns who are you worried about?...Jackson/Spiller, or a back-up, undrafted rookie QB who looks like a deer in the headlights and can't hit the broad side of a barn?...It's not the 1st half of the game...The Bills needed to move the ball a long way to score...The Browns only had to neutralize Freddie and CJ and it was game, set, match...Tuel was going to have to beat them...And there is no way he's up to that yet...

This is game could not have been more winnable...

Can't believe they gave up that 3rd down...Just can't believe it...

Well...I'm sure the Browns feel they would have done better with Hoyer...And they would probably be right...But I have no doubt the Bills win this game if EJ does not get hurt...Tuel better find his inner stud really quick or the Bills organization is going to look idiotic for keeping him as the sole back-up...

Defense is going to have to win this game...Force a fumble...get an INT...I don't think the Bills can score with Tuel...The kid looks lost out there...

That stop could not have been bigger...

Rain is good...we're the better running team...How's that for looking on the bright side?

This is not looking good...

Anyone know the record for Defensive offsides in a year? I think we're going to shatter it...

I came to that conclusion with wide right...Not much has happened since to change my mind...The past 13 years have pretty much cemented it though...

No let up...A TO on D would really be huge here...

Great drive!!! Really great drive!!!