MDH

Nothing like waiting 8 months for a throw away season only to have to start anew a year from now! God how I hope you're wrong.

Winning is the bottom line. That's all that matters in the NFL. I agree his drafts have been pretty good in terms of producing quality players. But for all those quality players this team hasn't won.

There aren't that many steps behind them to move backwards. The worst team in the league finished only two games behind the Bills. I think Donahoe is a pretty good football guy but the bottom line is he didn't get the job done. Injuries, salary cap "jail", an owner than meddled, are (perhaps) legitimate reasons (or excuses depending on how one looks at it). But the bottom line is the Bills haven't been successful during TD's entire reign here. At some point he has to be accountable. Question: how much longer would you have given him to turn things around? All that being said if Marv is the choice to GM this team I'd have preferred TD. Firing a guy just for the sake of firing him doesn't do it for me. Firing him only makes sense if you hire a capable replacement.

Well, had Butler stayed around we'd likely have AJ Smith as our GM now. I can think of a lot worse options at the GM position. Of course, this is 20/20 hindsight, but there aren't many better ways to look at things than in hindsight!

Mularky is the one responsible for putting together the staff that was here. Now we're giving him a free "get out of jail" card because it was his crappy staff and not the HC?

I'm curious as to how MM could possibly survive this mess. This team just needs to make a clean sweep and be done with it.

Yeah, that's the reason the team lost all those games.

Not to get the thread off topic but Brooks actually beat Sumner in an empty Senate chamber after adjournment not on the Senate floor.

They just put the story up on espn.com http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2279669]Link[/url]

Just heard Mort on Mike and Mike this morning and he's reporting that Marv will be named the new GM and Mordrak will keep his same duties. Said that MM's job might be safe but nothing is definitive. God help us if Marv is the new GM. Out of football for 10 years and taking a job he's never held in the NFL. I'm sure I'm in the minority here but I would have preferred to have kept TD if this is the alternative.

There's no way Jerry Gray leaves the Bills if Mularkey is retained. Well, unless he gets a HC job somewhere.

Mordrak and Mularkey standing there with Ralph with Marv nowhere to be seen.

Joe Pa is younger than Levy!

It's pretty tough to hire coaches that are currently under contract.

Why are you even bothering?

Links please.

I think what you're missing is that people (at least most of them) aren't taking enjoyment from TD's losing his job. If/when TD is fired I'm not going to sit here thinking happily about TD packing his bags, saying his goodbyes and sitting at home in a funk wishing he had done things differently. I'm going to be happy because it means the Bills are attempting to make a move to improve the team, simple as that. There is a difference whether you wish to acknowledge it or not.

I must be missing something. Where did the ENTIRE team publicly turn on him? I've seen a few of them voice support for Holcomb getting the opportunity next year but that's it.

Nobody is arguing that a QB can do it all on his own. Only that quality play and stability at the QB position make it much easier to win.

Yeah, you should have watched closer if you think Schobel is a weak spot on this team. He was the best player on D this year.

In the last 3 drafts each of those other cold weather teams you mention has drafted a QB in the first round.

Ahh, I see. Yeah, I agree with you. I'm not a fan of either Donahoe but that doesn't mean he hasn't made some good moves with the team.

It's pretty much 50/50 proposition no matter what position you draft in the first round, QBs are no different in that regards. They are different in that you can't hide them while they learn unless you already have a strong team around them. My main beef with what you say above is the last part. What does using one 1st round draft pick have to do with having a better overall team vs. an average overall team? If a team uses the pick on a CB suddenly they'll have a better team and and average QB but if they use it on a QB they'll have an average team and a better QB? Drafting a QB in the first round doesn't prevent a GM from putting together a "better (overall) team", the things aren't mutually exclusive.

No player in the league puts pressure on the majority of plays...